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LeonOfTheDead
04-21-2009, 03:05 PM
I don't remember the codename atm, so for now the thread is named accordingly. The car should be unveiled either at the end of 2010 or the beginning of 2011, iirc.

Let's clarify a couple of things.
All new Ferrari are designed to accommodate the 4x4 system by Haldex.
I'm not aware of it being a 4x2. And up to some months ago it wasn't even sure they were going to use it in the end.
The upcoming F142 (aka F450/470), isn't designed to adopt the system.

None of them, the new 612 or the F142 are designed to use any sort of a Kers system, being it something a la EffiientDynamics (more likely) or a la Prius.

The bump on the hood is due to the new suspensions that allow for an adjustable riding height for speed bumps or ramps, forcing to move accordingly the rest of the mechanics.
Maybe this information could be partially incorrect, since the mule testing those suspensions had a different hood (pics 1&2, an actual 612 with the new suspensions).

The car is (90% sure) based on the F141 (aka California) aluminum platform.

I don't have words about the engine.
The come-back of turbos should happen with the new Enzo (twin turbo V8), not with this one though, afaik.

pics, mainly, from worldcarfans
LeonOfTheDead
04-21-2009, 03:09 PM
more images
Dino Scuderia
04-21-2009, 03:09 PM
The car is (90% sure) based on the F141 (aka California) aluminum platform.

Wouldn't this be too small?
Ferrer
04-21-2009, 03:11 PM
Four wheel drive is bad.

Turbos are bad too (even if they aren't used in this).
Ferrer
04-21-2009, 03:11 PM
Wouldn't this be too small?
LWB version a la Quattroporte probably.
LeonOfTheDead
04-21-2009, 03:13 PM
Wouldn't this be too small?

it's modular, so the new 612's chassis would be longer than the California's one, even if based on the same architecture.

The next 599 is still on hold from this point of view.
The Cali's is a good point of start, being known and at his best development /at the time the car would be designed), but maybe a new platform could allow to adopt also new solutions and gain even more performance wise.


LWB version a la Quattroporte probably.

correct, you busted me :p.
Dino Scuderia
04-21-2009, 03:20 PM
it's modular, so the new 612's chassis would be longer than the California's one, even if based on the same architecture.

The next 599 is still on hold from this point of view.
The Cali's is a good point of start, being known and at his best development /at the time the car would be designed), but maybe a new platform could allow to adopt also new solutions and gain even more performance wise.



correct, you busted me :p.

Modular indeed. 612 wheelbase is 1" longer than Maser GT and Quattroporte wheelbase is 4" longer than 612.
LeonOfTheDead
04-21-2009, 03:37 PM
Modular indeed. 612 wheelbase is 1" longer than Maser GT and Quattroporte wheelbase is 4" longer than 612.

those aren't the same though.
The GT and QP (and 8C) are made of steel, not aluminum.
Ferrer
04-21-2009, 03:39 PM
And by the way, no stupid stacked exhausts please.
Dino Scuderia
04-21-2009, 03:48 PM
those aren't the same though.
The GT and QP (and 8C) are made of steel, not aluminum.

So the 612 does not share the GT platform as commonly thought because the 612 is aluminum.
LeonOfTheDead
04-21-2009, 03:57 PM
So the 612 does not share the GT platform as commonly thought because the 612 is aluminum.

That's it.
The QP is an evolution of the former 3200 GT/4200 GT chassis, which then spun off the GranTurismo and the 8C.

the 612 on the other hand is the first full aluminum car for Ferrari, with the 360 being partially of the same material.

For the same reason there is no correlation between the dead Maserati M139 project and the F141 aka Ferrari California.
Even if it's true the car is ideally the same, when Ferrari decided the car was going to be too expensive for a Maserati, (or better, for the price they were figuring cold have been right), the car became a Ferrari product, therefore adopting all components from Ferrari, which, step after step, brought to a whole new car. Only minor parts' design has survived.

Maserati can't share many components with Ferrari due to the costs of parts designed for much more expensive cars.
Both share (minor) parts with Fiat's cars though, when it's possible.
Some of the handbrake parts being one of them, iirc.
NSXType-R
04-21-2009, 04:17 PM
What's a 4x2 setup?
LeonOfTheDead
04-21-2009, 04:22 PM
What's a 4x2 setup?

a car that can run both on 4wd or 2wd (normally rear ones) on demand.
NicFromLA
04-21-2009, 10:46 PM
a car that can run both on 4wd or 2wd (normally rear ones) on demand.

I think you're wrong about that. The front engine V12 cars have rear transmissions, which means to make them AWD you'll need two drive shafts. Nissan does it on the GT-R and it's very heavy and very complicated. More likely you'll see it in the replacement for the 430 because doing AWD in a mid-engine car is much easier.

Also, the new issue of EVO says the follow up to the Enzo will have V12. No word on turbos.
4wheelsonline
04-22-2009, 02:00 AM
I noticed the similarity in external part of the 2010 ferrari and 2010 toyota prius especially the front part. :D

http://i.i.com.com/cnwk.1d/i/bto/20090318/2010Prius_SS-1_610x435.JPG
Picture above is the 2010 Toyota Prius


2010 Toyota Prius picture like this is similar with the 2010 Ferrari Spyshots
LTSmash
04-22-2009, 02:21 AM
Also, the new issue of EVO says the follow up to the Enzo will have V12. No word on turbos.

But why not go back to the F40 days? Did it say what it will be called; F70?
LeonOfTheDead
04-22-2009, 02:27 AM
I think you're wrong about that. The front engine V12 cars have rear transmissions, which means to make them AWD you'll need two drive shafts. Nissan does it on the GT-R and it's very heavy and very complicated. More likely you'll see it in the replacement for the 430 because doing AWD in a mid-engine car is much easier.

Also, the new issue of EVO says the follow up to the Enzo will have V12. No word on turbos.

I can grantee you they are testing the transmissions, even if it's not sure, at this stage, if they are going to use it.
Can't say how it's designed, I only know is made by Haldex, and the new V12 cars are designed to accommodate it, forcing a lot of additional job to fit all the other parts without enlarging even more the chassis.
due to the aluminum choice for the chassis, it was an already cramped space.

The last words about the engine of the new Enzo are dated, but at the time, even if a V12 option was still under consideration, they were already pointing to the twin turbo V8.

If this can add some credibility to you, words are directly from an insider, it's up to you to trust them.
NSXType-R
04-22-2009, 03:35 AM
a car that can run both on 4wd or 2wd (normally rear ones) on demand.

Oh okay. Thanks.
Ferrer
04-22-2009, 03:43 AM
By the way the internal name is F151.
LeonOfTheDead
04-22-2009, 03:49 AM
By the way the internal name is F151.

sounds familiar indeed. even if search it on google and they will say its the codename of the SUV...
Soloracer
04-22-2009, 03:56 PM
I am eagerly awaiting the hideousness of this particular model. God that designer needs to be demoted. First they ruined the 456, then the 360, the 599 isnt half bad but I can't imagine this car will be a showstopper.
capone
04-23-2009, 11:27 PM
My guess is that they will put the V12 from the 599 into the 612 replacement.
LeonOfTheDead
06-04-2009, 03:01 PM
By the way the internal name is F151.

yeap, that's it. :)
moar shots.
take a look at the exhaust pipes...
LeonOfTheDead
06-04-2009, 03:03 PM
3 moar
can a mod change the thread name from "next 612" to F151 plz?
Ferrer
06-04-2009, 03:21 PM
I don't understand why Ferrari wants to be Lexus...
LeonOfTheDead
06-04-2009, 03:31 PM
I don't understand why Ferrari wants to be Lexus...

I don't know if it's a definitive setup.
The California's are fake, so there is no reason to use them on a prototype.
Maybe they are just bugging us. I wish.

Thanks to whoever fixed the title.

EDIT: despite both the protos (look at the rims and fuel cap) are using the vertical setup.
LeonOfTheDead
06-11-2009, 06:07 AM
new video:
YouTube - SPY VIDEO: 612s Successor

the best part is this has been filmed from the GeS (Gestione Sportiva) building lot (44.534177, 10.860018 on Google Maps).
It's the only point from which you can see the section of the track going up to the bridge.
The street from that position and the entrance (44.532508,10.857636) is completely inside of Ferrari's properties, you must enter the track to take that street.
So in both cases, it was someone from the inse, I would say, it's an unofficially official video.
cargirl1990
06-11-2009, 08:23 PM
old school Ferrari is the way i go. never really liked newer Ferrari's.
Rockefella
06-11-2009, 11:20 PM
Thanks to whoever fixed the title.


no problem.
LeonOfTheDead
10-30-2009, 09:32 AM
more shots, nothing new under the sun.
RacingManiac
10-30-2009, 09:38 AM
other than the odd bulge on the hood the car looks pretty much the same as 612...
LeonOfTheDead
10-30-2009, 09:48 AM
other than the odd bulge on the hood the car looks pretty much the same as 612...

that's just the old body, the car has a new chassis, which will be used for the next Quattroporte as well. The WB will should be increased a bit on the F151.
The bugle shouldn't be functional iirc, just for ease of work, only when they are two on the early prototypes based on 612s with the new suspensions.
TheScrutineer
10-30-2009, 11:53 AM
I can't beleive Ferrari have gone down the 4WD route. Maybe they have realised their target audience - useless footballers who can't drive. I can enjoy it or excuse it in a lot of supercars, but not a Ferrari.

As for looks, I can't complain. And if its got the same dual clutch transmission as the California thats a good thing.
LeonOfTheDead
10-30-2009, 11:59 AM
more from wcf
LeonOfTheDead
10-30-2009, 12:01 PM
and more.
as for the gearbox, DCT is there. 99%.
Ferrer
10-30-2009, 12:10 PM
and more.
as for the gearbox, DCT is there. 99%.
Will manual still be available?
LeonOfTheDead
10-30-2009, 12:18 PM
Will manual still be available?

That I don't know. :o
orshow
10-31-2009, 07:23 AM
Will manual still be available?

No, apparently Ferrari have stopped producing manuals due to the lack of interest from buyers. :(

Think it was in CAR magazine I read that.
LeonOfTheDead
10-31-2009, 05:08 PM
No, apparently Ferrari have stopped producing manuals due to the lack of interest from buyers. :(

Think it was in CAR magazine I read that.

They are still available for the 599/612, as the F1 is exactly the same gearbox, apart from a couple of actuators and the electronics.
Right now about 10% of cars are equipped with the manual.

Don't know about the 458, it will probably have just the DCT, unfortunately.
LeonOfTheDead
11-01-2009, 11:15 AM
autoblog.com #1
LeonOfTheDead
11-01-2009, 11:16 AM
autoblog.com #2
Kitdy
11-01-2009, 01:57 PM
Why is the steering wheel warning in German? I woulda figured that the testing would be done - you know - by Italians.

Also, does anyone know if a breakdown of model sales can be found for Ferrari?
wwgkd
11-01-2009, 08:29 PM
Why is the steering wheel warning in German? I woulda figured that the testing would be done - you know - by Italians.

Also, does anyone know if a breakdown of model sales can be found for Ferrari?

Schumacher still can't read italian?

I've seen one but I don't remember where. I do remember that their best selling cars ever in order are
1. F430
2. 360
3. F355
Kitdy
11-01-2009, 08:35 PM
Schumacher still can't read italian?

I've seen one but I don't remember where. I do remember that their best selling cars ever in order are
1. F430
2. 360
3. F355

I was more interested in yearly by model sales; I want to know how well the 599 and 612 are doing.
LeonOfTheDead
11-02-2009, 05:34 AM
I was more interested in yearly by model sales; I want to know how well the 599 and 612 are doing.

don't know about the 599 precisely, but the 612 sells so poor (as expected btw) they are still talking about teething problems, as there are few of them around, and so it takes some time before a problem is discovered, let alone on more than a car so to understand if it was due to assembly, components or design.

Still love it.
Ferrer
11-02-2009, 05:45 AM
don't know about the 599 precisely, but the 612 sells so poor (as expected btw) they are still talking about teething problems, as there are few of them around, and so it takes some time before a problem is discovered, let alone on more than a car so to understand if it was due to assembly, components or design.

Still love it.
It's by far the less embarrassing Ferrari currently on sale.
Badsight
11-07-2009, 02:25 PM
well the 612 & 599 are such heavy pigs , they are luxury gran tourers rather than weeked country road blasters

so the 4wd fits in with the buyers who want touring safety rather than pure driving experience
LeonOfTheDead
12-07-2010, 05:24 PM
BUMP.
Just to say that a month ago or so I had the chance to see the bare chassis at the factory. Expect a very shooting brake like car when it will be unveiled. Speaking of which, it's not that clear if it's going to happen in Geneva.
It will be slightly heavier, despite also quite larger and more complex in its construction. Many of us will refer to it as a fat pig, but they are presently happy with the result.