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Hello to all
New on this site I appear:
57 years old. My name is Jack, living in France near Paris and I'am a passionate person of Citroën and more particularly of the SM, happy owner of which I am!
In my collection also there are:
BX turdo D, CX prestige IE turbo 2, 2CV, C2 VTR HDI, Saxo D
As regards the SM, a magnificent automobile which gets me immense pleasure during the exits with the SM club de France of which I am a member.
IF you are as me fascinated by this car, or if you want to discover it, not being able to put here all my photos, to see the adventures of this automobile you can go to my address blog:
La Citroën SM....une passion (http://citroen-une-passion.over-blog.com)
You can make your remarks at the bottom of every article, they will be welcome!
Good visit and all my thanks and excuse me for my English
Ferrer
09-04-2009, 03:47 AM
Is that on the third pic one of the Group 5 SMs?
ruim20
09-04-2009, 04:22 AM
Welcome, great to see the SM :)
Hello
For the red and yellow SM ?
It's the copy of one prototype which has served for testing suspension, tyres...
Roentgen
09-04-2009, 04:27 AM
Welcome to UCP! Enjoy your stay :-)
Hello
Thanks for your messages !
henk4
09-04-2009, 05:03 AM
From the vast archives of UCP:Some shots of the SM in a less than natural habitat (Tour Auto 2009)
I know all these cars !
all prepared for the garage who looks after my SM !
Here are some others pictures.....
On the first picture the original prototype property of Citroën on the right and the copy on the left (Built by my garage mechanic)
henk4
09-04-2009, 05:36 AM
I know all these cars !
all prepared for the garage who looks after my SM !
Great, do you happen to know the chassisnumber for the white and the blue one? (red is 0491)
henk4
09-04-2009, 05:40 AM
On the first picture the original prototype property of Citroën on the right and the copy on the left (Built by my garage mechanic)
so it was the copy that was shown at Retromobile in 2006?
Great, do you happen to know the chassisnumber for the white and the blue one? (red is 0491)
Very sorry Ihave not the chassisnumbers
f6fhellcat13
09-04-2009, 05:54 AM
Why does the red and yellow prototype have a Kammback?
Thanks for all the great pictures, by the way.
so it was the copy that was shown at Retromobile in 2006?
I was't in 2006 at retromobile in Paris!
But if the registred number was at the end "W78" yes !
With "W92" it's the original !
I can make search !
It's ok It was the copy in 2006 at retromobile !
http://www.quaidejavel.com/citroen-22/retromobile-2006/page4
The difference between the original: 340 CV and the copy : 240 CV
Why does the red and yellow prototype have a Kammback?
Thanks for all the great pictures, by the way.
Sorry can you explain? I don't understand your question !
f6fhellcat13
09-04-2009, 06:17 AM
No problem.
Why does the prototype have a shortened rear?
EDIT: Thanks, henk4.
henk4
09-04-2009, 06:18 AM
Sorry can you explain? I don't understand your question !
He wonders about the cut-off tail.
And yes I had the Prototype version filed as a recreation.
ScionDriver
09-04-2009, 08:39 AM
I love the Citroen SM. Thanks for sharing!
Ferrer
09-04-2009, 09:26 AM
Thanks for the prototype pictures, they are very interesting.
csl177
09-04-2009, 01:40 PM
Bienvenue à UCP, JR78. A wonderful collection of Citroens you have there!
Great photos of the prototype, looks quite menacing... très dangereux! :cool:
How successful was it as a race car? It's new to me.
f6fhellcat13, my guess is the Kammback helped with stability if not in reducing drag, besides reducing weight by shortening the car.
Ferrer
09-04-2009, 03:44 PM
Bienvenue à UCP, JR78. A wonderful collection of Citroens you have there!
Great photos of the prototype, looks quite menacing... très dangereux! :cool:
How successful was it as a race car? It's new to me.
f6fhellcat13, my guess is the Kammback helped with stability if not in reducing drag, besides reducing weight by shortening the car.
The race cars were the Group 5 SMs campaigned in rallying by the factory. It wasn't successful since the standard car was too big and heavy and the Group 5 prototypes couldn't face proper prototypes and were anyway being phased out from rallying in the 70's. The rallying SMs couldn't repeat the successes the DSs had had a decade earlier. There some pics of the Group 5 SM in the hide-out thread.
csl177
09-05-2009, 12:34 AM
I went looking Ferrer... remarkable. Knowing Citroen's successes with the DS I don't know how I missed the SM development in the day. Must have been all those German distractions... which still plague me.
I really do like the SM racer's looks! It's so... unexpected.
henk4
09-05-2009, 01:48 AM
The race cars were the Group 5 SMs campaigned in rallying by the factory. It wasn't successful since the standard car was too big and heavy and the Group 5 prototypes couldn't face proper prototypes and were anyway being phased out from rallying in the 70's. The rallying SMs couldn't repeat the successes the DSs had had a decade earlier. There some pics of the Group 5 SM in the hide-out thread.
If you read the sign placed next to the prototype, it mentions that it was developed for testing straight line speeds, and with 340 BHP on the tap it may have been able to reach speeds in the order of 280-290 kph. I don't think it was ever used for rallying, since it was made in 1973.
Here's the light blue car (the only other shortened one I have seen) that did race, as well as two "normal" versions, the 1974 car that participated in the Spa 24 hours (starting fourth from the grid but DNF). The yellow car is a participant of the 2000 version of the London Sydney Marathon (the original would have been won by a DS, were it not for a stupid Australian taxi driver).
All cars are shown at Retromobile, where the SM Club de France makes it an honour to present a unique SM each year. Jack Should know. .
Ferrer
09-05-2009, 03:38 AM
If you read the sign placed next to the prototype, it mentions that it was developed for testing straight line speeds, and with 340 BHP on the tap it may have been able to reach speeds in the order of 280-290 kph. I don't think it was ever used for rallying, since it was made in 1973.
Here's the light blue car (the only other shortened one I have seen) that did race, as well as two "normal" versions, the 1974 car that participated in the Spa 24 hours (starting fourth from the grid but DNF). The yellow car is a participant of the 2000 version of the London Sydney Marathon (the original would have been won by a DS, were it not for a stupid Australian taxi driver).
All cars are shown at Retromobile, where the SM Club de France makes it an honour to present a unique SM each year. Jack Should know. .
I know this red and yellow prototype wasn't used for rallying, but Citroën did build a Group 5 SM to go rallying. They used it were they allowed prototypes which in the 70's were starting to disappear from rallying.
The "standard" Group 1 SM won the Morrocco rally and that was its only success as far as I know, and the Group 5 didn't win anything. But I'm speaking from memory. If you want when I'm a Barcelona I'll have more info about the rallying SMs campaigned by the factory.
First picture shows the Group 1 '71 Morrocco winner, second picture shows the Group 5 SM.
NSXType-R
09-05-2009, 08:57 AM
Wow, that's really awesome. Thanks for sharing it with us!
It's also a copy ..... from the SM of Sydney Londres Rallye !
faksta
09-07-2009, 02:56 AM
Welcome, JR78.
Did the SM catch up that Ferrari on the last picture? :)
Ferrer
09-07-2009, 04:24 AM
The SM was also raced on the BTCC by Mike Beckwith in the 70's.
I've only been able to find this tiny little picture.
Welcome, JR78.
Did the SM catch up that Ferrari on the last picture? :)
yes the SM Catch up the ferrari with a great facility !
It's also a copy ..... from the SM of Sydney Londres Rallye !
This SM is a copy of the SM of rallye of Bandama and no Londres Sydney !
This SM is a copy of the SM of rallye of Bandama and no Londres Sydney !
1973 Record du nombre d'engagés, les prix non distribués en 72 sont remis en jeu.
(59 partants, 51 abandons et 8 à l'arrivée).
1er Herrman sur Datsun 180 BSSS, 2e Larrousse sur Datsun 180 BSSS, 3e Bochnicek sur DS 23 proto, 4e Mitri sur Datsun 180 BSSS, 5e Neyret sur Citroën SM proto, 6e Verrier sur Citroën SM proto, 7e Hoepfner sur Peugeot 504, 8e Trautmann sur Peugeot 504.
1973 Record du nombre d'engagés, les prix non distribués en 72 sont remis en jeu.
(59 partants, 51 abandons et 8 à l'arrivée).
1er Herrman sur Datsun 180 BSSS, 2e Larrousse sur Datsun 180 BSSS, 3e Bochnicek sur DS 23 proto, 4e Mitri sur Datsun 180 BSSS, 5e Neyret sur Citroën SM proto, 6e Verrier sur Citroën SM proto, 7e Hoepfner sur Peugeot 504, 8e Trautmann sur Peugeot 504.
A little diference at the rear !
Here 3 pictures of "the original "!
Here 3 pictures of "the original "!
*V6 Masérati 2990 cc
*250 ch Din à 7000 tr/mn
*Alimentation par 3 carburateurs Weber 38
*Boîte 5 rapports
*Echappement doublé/allégé
*Carrosserie aluminium/polyester
*Vitrages plexiglas
*Longeur: 4,35 m
*Largeur: 1,85 m
*Poids: 1 200 kg
*Vitesse: entre 180 et 230 Km/h (selon rapport de pont)
Ferrer
09-07-2009, 10:56 AM
I found a slightly bigger picture of a Group 1 privateer SM in the 1971 24h of Spa.
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pictures/1971/Spa24h-1971-26.jpg
From here (http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/index.html) - an excellent resource on touring car racing.