View Full Version : Are cars getting uglier?
Kudosdude
06-05-2003, 05:46 AM
We've all seen the direction that BMW, Audi, Ford, Renault etc. are going with their design studies, but have they lost the plot?
Are these cars EXTERIORS better or worse than those they replace. Vote with your mice . . .
piledriver
06-05-2003, 07:55 AM
I think there are designers and designers...
look at the bmw ones, they are getting crazy... its latest designs, are ugly!!!!
but the ford designers are in the right way... you just look at the Focus, Mondeo, the Mustang Coupe GT prototype (amazing!!!!)
I think this question depends on the way each company is taking to its design...
itīs not a exact science...
Kudosdude
06-05-2003, 08:02 AM
I don't like the Mondeo ;)
This is an "In general" survey.
I don't think cars are getting uglier, especialy Renault is making beautifull cars. If you compare the old Laguna with the latest one and the Safrane with the Vel Satis, the new ones are far more beautifull then the old ones, i think.
there are not much manufactures which are making more ugly cars then they used to, even Opels are getting better. Only Korean cars are still ugly.
People are afraid of change. There's probably always a time when people think that car designers are going crazy. For example, the cars from the 80's are totally different from the cars of the 90's, the cars from the 70's are totally different from the cars of the 80's, and so on and so on.
IBrake4Rainbows
06-05-2003, 01:26 PM
I was recently re-reading an Article in my old CAR magazine (Sept 2002) and i came across a story that named the 6 ugliest cars in the world still in production, the article spoke of how car design has to have become confrontational to the buying public to egg a reaction out of them. How the brand needs you to either say " I love it"or "I hate it". The cars were:
Ferrari Enzo: Even Ferrari can indulge in Crassness
Fiat Multipla: Proof Italians love a good argument.
BMW 7-series: a bold rejection of all that is beautiful
Mercedes Benz Sport Coupe: Winner of the "rear end from Hell award."
Porsche Cayenne: Did they really think they'd get away with it?
Renault Vel Satis: The French Resort to Shock tactics...
ozexige
06-05-2003, 06:26 PM
Styling is becoming retro - because the people with the money (at the moment baby-boomers) determine the shape of products - and not only cars. The only manufacturers missing the point is the Japanese, take the Celica for example (I know I'm repeating myself here). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the ones beholdin' the money make designers jump in their direction.
kinan.f
06-06-2003, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by Rob
Only Korean cars are still ugly.
Having a general look over the recent years designs we may say that things are getting better for some european manufacturers(Citroen,Renault,....) who changed their whole strategy in both styling & even marketing.For instance,who could ever believe that Citroen could have its feet settled in China in the presence of nearby good Japanese & cheap Koreans ?
Sad thing is that Koreans haven't learnt the european lesson yet:(never ever imitate others).They are still trying to bring OUTDATED things to this world & never give up.
On the other hand,we may see some automotive legends try breaking rules by introducing some thing completely unusual to grab people's attention....
It is always the WIND OF CHANGE....
henk4
06-07-2003, 06:19 AM
This is a hard nut to crack, I think there have always been cars that were considered ugly and cars that were beautiful. It might also be the case that cars that were considered beautful in their time are now found to be ugly and the other way around. Taste can change and is erratic.
The fact that people are talking now more openly about ugly cars may also have to do with the addition of other sources to express opinions. Up to not so long ago we were largely driven by the opinions of experts writing for printed media. In particular these media were (and still are) dependent on advertisement income. Negative opinions on cars has in more than one case resulted in boycots by manufacturers, resulting in roadtesters being not so outspoken.
Since the demise if the British car industry more "objective" and independent journalism has emerged, notably in BBC's Top Gear (remember Clarkson on the Vauxhall Vectra, which was reduced to rearmirrors) and also the Car magazine (see the list posted earlier in the threat) that has no problems in telling us what they consider to be beautiful and acceptable. (Their ratings of individual cars at the back of the magazine makes sometimes hilarious reading).
So to conclude I think because we are nowadays more outspoken, it may look like there are more ugly cars around, but objectively that might not be the case
kinan.f
06-08-2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by henk4
notably in BBC's Top Gear (remember Clarkson on the Vauxhall Vectra, which was reduced to rearmirrors) and also the Car magazine (see the list posted earlier in the threat) that has no problems in telling us what they consider to be beautiful and acceptable.
As a matter of a fact BBC's TOPGEAR is,in my opinion, one of the best unbiased sources for motor news ever especially that they issue an anual report for the best service dealers,best car of the year.....etc
some cars are getting uglier, compare the new Punto with this, they made the front look Korean!
IBrake4Rainbows
06-10-2003, 09:12 PM
A little fact for you rob.
The Hyundai Matrix (Car Pictured) was actually designed by PininFarina, not in Korea, so in effect it's Italians Copying Italians... Don't Beleive me, check the rear quarter panels for little "PininFarina'' badges next time you see one.
Originally posted by IBrake4Rainbows
A little fact for you rob.
The Hyundai Matrix (Car Pictured) was actually designed by PininFarina, not in Korea, so in effect it's Italians Copying Italians... Don't Beleive me, check the rear quarter panels for little "PininFarina'' badges next time you see one.
I know, you're right, i haven't thought about that, I'm sorry. But I still think the new Punto is ugly and I think the doesn't look very Italian anymore.
motorhead
07-09-2003, 06:19 AM
Originally posted by IBrake4Rainbows
A little fact for you rob.
The Hyundai Matrix (Car Pictured) was actually designed by PininFarina, not in Korea, so in effect it's Italians Copying Italians... Don't Beleive me, check the rear quarter panels for little "PininFarina'' badges next time you see one. the matrix is bastard ugly - real DISGRACE to pininfarina - crap - ausi i think is making cars which are getting more beautiful by the years
Misho
07-09-2003, 07:10 PM
Its easy, it's simple!! While some cars are getting uglier (BMW 7-series), others are getting better looking (Mercedes SL). It has always been like that and will continue to be like that even after we all start driving flying cars !!
motorhead
07-10-2003, 06:36 AM
Originally posted by Misho
Its easy, it's simple!! While some cars are getting uglier (BMW 7-series), others are getting better looking (Mercedes SL). It has always been like that and will continue to be like that even after we all start driving flying cars !! i do not want cars to fly - cars means wheels and tarmac - not in the ****in air- no way - never
jadotch
07-10-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by ozexige
Styling is becoming retro - because the people with the money (at the moment baby-boomers) determine the shape of products - and not only cars. The only manufacturers missing the point is the Japanese, take the Celica for example (I know I'm repeating myself here). Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the ones beholdin' the money make designers jump in their direction.
I disagree that only the Japanese are not going retro, look at Cadillac, very cutting edge designs. I have not decided if I like them or not, but they are doing anything but retro, I personally think they are leading the way in modren consumer car designs. Saturn is not very retro like, Lotus is not, Saab is not. I like some of the retro cars out there, even though I don't think I would own any (with the exception of the 05 stang and the SuperCuda), it adds flavor to the road.
IBrake4Rainbows
07-13-2003, 01:43 AM
Why Bother With Retro anyway? It's just repeating whats already been said in the design world and just shows the lack of imagination that some designers have, even if they are harking back to bygone eras, their still in the past stylisticly and in practicality stakes. Cars like the Celica, which i love, BTW, are a move foward. In the great period of design that was the 60's/70's, find me one retro styled car that was actually not designed earlier (So no Beetles or 2CV's) ok, find me two if your feeling lucky! But my point is, the designers then weren't bothering to hark back because they had their own fresh and new ideas. Maybe Flying Cars are the future, but if that is so, Robert Moller has been right this whole time!!!!!