Super car poll

[jake21]

Id like to see what other ppl think is the best supercar in the world
new or old
my top five chioces are
1 saleen s7
2 koeingsegg cc8s
3 porsche GT2
4 f360 modena
5 lambo murceilago

MY favorite is the saleen s7 b/c it the only real american supercar. With a change in greaing the s7 is on par if not surpassed the records set by the mclaren f1.

[Kudosdude]

I note you left out the Pagani Zonda . . . any particular reason?

[piledriver]

my choices are:
1- Porsche GT2
2- McLaren F1
the rest... is just the rest...
Porsche RULEZ!!!!

:cool:

[Homem de Gelo]

The cars on this list are all supercars, but they are in completely different leagues. My personal favourite is the Murciélago, although the Enzo and the Saleen would trash it around any race track, while other cars on the list would certainly give it some heat.

[DasModell]

Enzo . no question about it ....

[motormaniac]

the murcielago being my fav

but pls dun ask me to cchoose between these cars

[RS6]

You mean the 'AC Cobra'. Shelby just nicked the car and stuck a 7 litre engine under the bonnet. Remember the 'Jaguar XJ220' .

[Touran]

Pontiac Trans Am

[motorhead]

plymouth hemi CUDA

[Supra-Devil]

umm.. i`ll take the eno cuz i think it rulz.............

[motorhead]

where the hell is the bugatti veyron!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hoonda]

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[Misho]

Out of these, i'd say the McLaren. But in general, i'll pick the SLR any day !! Then again, maybe thats just coz I am deeply in love with the three pointed star.

[Bowling4Soup 35]

Originally posted by piledriver
my choices are:
1- Porsche GT2
2- McLaren F1
the rest... is just the rest...
Porsche RULEZ!!!!

:cool:

GT2 all the way! My other choices would be the Veyron, Enzo, Carrera GT, and, of course, my all-time favorite, the 1998 24 Hours of Le Mans winning Porsche 911 GT1-98.

[SL500]

Originally posted by Misho
Out of these, i'd say the McLaren. But in general, i'll pick the SLR any day !! Then again, maybe thats just coz I am deeply in love with the three pointed star.
Yes,this list.......(disable)
Only SLR,but i choose Enzo because SLR isn't here
So where is the F50?

[Egg Nog]

Originally posted by piledriver
my choices are:
1- Porsche GT2
2- McLaren F1
the rest... is just the rest...
Porsche RULEZ!!!!

I largely agree with you, but I'm curious why you posted a picture of a Porsche Racing 911 GT3 :p

[Bob]

Stupid Poll wont let me vote for both GT40s... if your american how can you not like the car that destroyed the ferraris in Le Mans 1,2,3 american power with european styling i love it

[Quiggs]

I'm gonna get flamed for saying this. But I'll do it anyway. The McLaren F1 is the most overrated car. Ever.

[Bowling4Soup 35]

Originally posted by Quiggs
I'm gonna get flamed for saying this. But I'll do it anyway. The McLaren F1 is the most overrated car. Ever.

Well, I'll do the exact opposite of what you expected.........I totally agree with you. All it's good for is straight line speed/acceleration. 0.89 g on the skidpad, how SHI**Y is that for car claiming to be the world's best? If it was racing against a Porsche 911 GT2, I'd put all my money on the GT2 not only because I love it, but because it's a car you drive to the racetrack, race it, then drive it home without any problems. The GT2 is a supercar you can use everyday! Sure, magazines say the Enzo is civil, but how do we know if it really is or not? Also, look at the gas mileage! The GT2 has an EPA estimate of 15 MPG in the city. The Enzo couldn't even do that on the highway! GT2 for me!!! I switched cars, haha, but you all get the idea.

[Quiggs]

The F1 was good to 60 and 100. And people think it was "so awesome" because it did 241mph. Well yea, it did. But it also took 7 miles to get there. Not impressed.

[Gilly]

........... good question but I like all of them even though I voted for the McLaren F1. There are also some other good supercars: Bugatti EB110, Viper GTS/R, Porsche GT1, Porsche 962, Ferrari F40 LM, Ferrari F50 GT etc.

[piledriver]

Originally posted by Egg Nog
I largely agree with you, but I'm curious why you posted a picture of a Porsche Racing 911 GT3 :p

´cos that car is the racing official porsche...
GT2 is a road car...
and I took that pic in a race this year in my city...

[MP4/4Fan]

My favorite supercar is the Ferrari Enzo. I agree with you all about the McLaren F1, it was a straight line car. Another supercar i like that you all may not of heard of is the Evan series 4. It has a LS6 engine with a porsche rear-end and a full Carbon fiber/Kevlar body.

[jake21]

i could only pick 10 and i picked the ones i thought of at the time

[Egg Nog]

Originally posted by piledriver
´cos that car is the racing official porsche...
GT2 is a road car...
and I took that pic in a race this year in my city...

Great photo, and I know that the GT2 is a road car... Sorry, I just found it slightly odd that you said GT2 and then posted a picture of a different car. Anyway, sweet photo. Do you have any more? And by the way, yeah. Porsche rules. :)


Quiggs: I don't think you'll get flamed, but I will refer you to all of the arguments that I posted in this thread:

Will the McLaren F1 ever be dethroned? (http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=311)

I encourage you to post in that threat. I liked that one :)

[Batmobile_Turbo]

the reason i'm annoyed is because you left out two very important british cars: the xj220 and the TVR Cerbera Speed 12, which can take out the enzo in 0-60 and is lighter than it. also you put 60's supercars in with 90's and current supercars.
anyway, i chose the mclearen f1 because of it's straigt line performance and it's reliability. and also it's awseme driving position

[Fleet 500]

Originally posted by motorhead
plymouth hemi CUDA

Hi everyone. :)

I just joined this message board. I have been a car fan for about 25 years and have lots of old car magazines (mainly Motor Trend, Car Life, Car & Driver) from the '50s, '60s and '70s. I also subscribe to Motor Trend, just to keep up with the latest.
I like '60s/early '70s U.S. muscle cars (Mopar is my favorite brand, but I enjoy all of them) and '50s/'60s/'70s Cadillacs (and other full-sized U.S. cars, like Lincoln, Olds 98, etc).

To answer the question on this thread, like motorhead among my favorite super cars is the '70/'71 Plymouth Hemicuda. Others would be '69 Plymouth Road Runner/Dodge Super Bee 440-6 pack, 4.10 gears (these ran low 13's/high 12's 1/4 miles off the showroom floor), '68/'69 Hemi Charger and '68 Hemi Dart/Hemi Barracuda (an actual production car- about 55 of each sold). One more favorite super car... '70 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 (LS6) 450 horsepower, 500 lbs./ft. torque.

See you later...

[crisis]

Im not annoyed but I think the Speed 12 is my favorite. Mostly because of where I read someone who drove it was terrified. Also the fact that you have to meet the company owner before they will sell you one. I think they have taken automotive madness to a new level. And its British? Unfknblvbl! considering the other cars they produce.

[Fleet 500]

I knew I'd forget one...
Included in my list (favorite super cars)... 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona, 426-Hemi (also it's near-twin- 1970 Plymouth Superbird).

[monstaman101]

In order of my preference i would have to say
1. McLaren F1
2. Saleen S7
and then i am not sure .
mclaren f1 because of a quote from Andy Wallace just after he pushed it to its limits of 391 kph "i still say this is the best car ever built ever and will probably never be beaten"
just before saying this he remarks that the feul light is on and the gaerbox temp reached 150 degrees but everything else is fine.

you can check out the video at http://www.mclarencars.com/content/sections/mainfr/gall.htm
you can barely see i but it is still good

[Rob]

From the list I would choose the GT2 and the Koeingsegg as my favourites, not on the list, but very nice, a 917 for on the street.

sorry, the pics are gone

[Misho]

I think that 10 choices is too distracting. This should have been left as an open discussion without the poll.

Anyways, I love the Pagani Zonda S !!

[Porsche959]

Originally posted by jake21
Id like to see what other ppl think is the best supercar in the world
new or old
my top five chioces are
1 saleen s7
2 koeingsegg cc8s
3 porsche GT2
4 f360 modena
5 lambo murceilago

MY favorite is the saleen s7 b/c it the only real american supercar. With a change in greaing the s7 is on par if not surpassed the records set by the mclaren f1.

Dude?! Where's the Porsche 959?!

After the 959(sport version), probably Carrera GT, then Enzo, I have no idea after that.

[sandwich]

the f1. There's nothing more practical and powerful at the same time. It truly is a super-car. There are cars that may be able to beat its performance, but not without sacrificing some degree of reliability (turbos), comfort (lighter seats/no interior), or ugliness (air scoops air scoops air scoops MORE AIR SCOOPS!).

It is such a beatiful car, and it simply outperforms most anything on the road. If you wanted better road handling, include the f1 LM, which i think does classify as production? maybe I am wrong, but o-60 in 2.9 and probably a better skidpad, with far less comfort than the original.

the f1 was designed to be a comfortable car with incredible performance. Others are designed to be cars with incredible performance.

behind it, i must vote the old gt-40, just rad, with a road version to boot, and performance beyond it's year.

[defchef]

what about carrera gt??

I think this will be as good as the enzo

[SL500]

Originally posted by defchef
what about carrera gt??

I think this will be as good as the enzo
Nope
Not as good as Ferrari Enzo Ferrari

[Prowl]

The original GT40. Why? cuz without it, I strongly believe that no other supercar would have been built. it started it all. it hade a muscle car engine in a sports car body. i found the perfect balance between handling and power.the supercar was it's offspring, a race car for the road, the MKIII GT40.

[megotmea7]

personaly it has to be the Cerbera Speed 12, that is the final word in ultimate road car performance, over 1000hp ultra light weight all it needs is a decent traction control system to literaly obliterate any of these cars acceleration records and im betting it could catch the mclaren if it put its mind to it in the top speed department, handling wise it might have to much power for its own good but with a decent driver it could work

[camarovette]

does no one here remember the mc laren F1, (but the bugati would still own all (880 horse in a car that weighs 3600 lbs. thats speed baby)

p.s. the carrera GT will never come close to the enzo:p

[sandwich]

uh, i think the carrera will be close to the enzo...closer than the bugatti anyways...the bugatti is overpowered and heavy, whereas the mclaren enzo carrera are all designed to be light, fast, and handle well.

not to say the bugatti is a terrible car, but it is terribly heavy.

also, whoever mentioned the TVR speed 12 is right, that's a silly fast car, but it's not really production, front engined, and probably is not as all around good as some others.

i keep my vote with mclaren.

[NoOne]

McLaren F1 with the Pagani Zonda S & Ferrari Enzo tied at a close 2nd place

[16-4Veyron]

So. . . not that i would have put it above the murcielago, enzo, and mclaren, what WHERE THE HELL IS THE VEYRON

[360evolution]

koeingsegg cc8s.

I love it :)

Then again, I do love the Modenas ;)

[MacF1]

hmmm, I'm reading the post's and most replies talk about 0-60, G forces etc. But can one honestly differentiate a 0-60 in 4 sec to a 0-60 in 3.5 (I know someone here will rip me appart for that one, however I have been in a Caterham Seven 0-60 in 3.5 and a TVR Cerberra 0-60 in 4 sec and both scared the shit out of me equally!)

At this level what makes a supercar special......in my opinion its soul, its presence, its the hair raising noises and bone crushing forces, its heritage..............its the Ferrari F40...........the last untamed Supercar.

In my opinion

I will say that i still do have an admiration for Gordon Murray and team to build the most non-compromised, no expense spared supercar ever........The Maclaren F1

[NoOne]

Originally posted by Quiggs
The F1 was good to 60 and 100. And people think it was "so awesome" because it did 241mph. Well yea, it did. But it also took 7 miles to get there. Not impressed.

I was looking back through this thread, and I came across this old post. The thing that gets me, is that 7 miles seems very reasonable to attain that speed, I don't know any formulas for calculating coefficients of drag and how that increases exponentially as speed. Does anyone have any idea how much time elapsed from 0 to 241mph? or a formula to calculate acceleration?

If this seems to be a bit of a lame question, my only excuse is that nightshift sucks, Ive been awake for almost 23 hrs ..... and damn the beers cold!!! :D :cool: :D

[MacF1]

The Macca does 1Km in 19.6 sec @177mph and 200mph in 28 sec, so i'm a little sceptical that it would need 7 miles to get to 241..............however it was tested on the nardo raceway which is an oval so the distance actually needed to reach its top speed may be scewed. Hypothetically if you were able to find a stretch of straight road the F1 should reach 241 in approx 2 miles. To put the F1's performance into perspective, past 170mph not even a full race spec Formula 1 car would be able to keep up with it......

[megotmea7]

till you understand how fast 200-250mph is you wont understand how it takes ~7 miles to accelerate there, at a constant speed of 200mph you hit 3 miles a minute or a mile in about 20 seconds, with a little math it probly took the mclaren almost a minute and a half to get to ~240mph

[MacF1]

So the fact that it goes from 180-200 in 7.4 secs will not matter past 200mph?!?!?

Anyways, regardless, the point is that past 170 there isnt or hasnt been a production car that can beat it, and that is the reason why it is still regarded as the fastest production car ever made. Sure there are cars that get to 60 in less than 3.2 sec or to 100 in less than 6.4 sec (this, i'm not sure about) but after that the Macca's gone.

But I still think for pure visual aggression and that raw "supercarness" nothing beats the F40

[megotmea7]

Originally posted by MacF1
So the fact that it goes from 180-200 in 7.4 secs will not matter past 200mph?!?!?

??? where'd you get that from? think about this for every 10mph air resistance increases by 4!!!(asuming the same coefficient of drag)

[MacF1]

www.autocarmag.com
Go to the road test section and click on Mclaren F1
This is a summary of their road test.

Its a british mag, and they were the only magazine to be allowed to do an official performance test. I know this cos I'm british and have the magazine at home.

Now they could be wrong or it could be a typo, but I'm just conveying what I've read.

[MacF1]

sorry, it's 180-200 mph in 7.6 sec not 7.4 sec

mybad, here's a section of the test:

"You pick your moments with the F1: you have to accept that, except on empty autobahns, there is no way you can sample the F1’s performance potential safely and legally on a public road. So how fast is it? In second gear, the F1 adds 10mph each half-second. You’ll pass 100mph in third in 6.3sec. The second-fastest car we have tested, Jaguar’s XJ220, asked for 7.9sec. And still the McLaren is not into its stride.
It does 0-120mph in 9.3sec, a decent enough 0-60mph time for a hot hatch. It will reach 150mph from rest quicker than a Porsche 911 will reach 100mph. But the statistic to end them all is this: in sixth gear, it will cover 180-200mph in 7.6sec.
A Ferrari 512 TR needs longer to do 50-70mph in fifth. Even at 200mph the F1 accelerates hard. Had we enough tarmac, doubtless it would stop accelerating at its rev-limiter in top, which would be somewhere on the far side of 230mph.
If we tell you that the F1 handles as well as it goes, you’ll have a good idea of the esteem in which we hold this car’s chassis – it displays a level of adhesion we never came close to broaching anywhere but on the track. Although it is firmly sprung, there is body roll through corners but, as you sit in line with the roll-centre, you scarcely feel any of it. The steering is quick and lucid, and the engine makes the finest noise we have heard from a road car.

[NoOne]

Originally posted by megotmea7
??? where'd you get that from? think about this for every 10mph air resistance increases by 4!!!(asuming the same coefficient of drag)

I knew air resistance/drag was a huge factor ... I just didn't know how huge :) .

Thanx guys :cool:

[petritheturtle]

1) I believe you should put the Porsche Carrera GT in there.

2) Why the hell is the Shelby Cobra there?

[MacF1]

Originally posted by megotmea7
??? where'd you get that from? think about this for every 10mph air resistance increases by 4!!!(asuming the same coefficient of drag)

How did you get this.....

according to your numbers a car travelling at 30 mph has 4 times more drag than a car travelling at 20 mph........ i dont think so

drag is reletive to speed so it changes as speed increases exponentially. Its not as simple as you put it.

Many supercars are limited by the downforce they generate. If it werent for the Enzo's diffusers it would be capable of 250mph, however it would probably take off first!!! ala Mercedes CLR 1999 Le Mans Mulsanne straight.

[DiabloGTR]

All those cars are in different leagues. Some of them really shouldn't even be called "supercars".
It's not really fair because the Enzo, F1, CC8S and Saleen S7 are all in a league of their own.
While the Murcielago, new GT 40 and the GT2 dominate the 2nd-class.

[bum-man]

what the #$@!....there is no CLK GTR....tsk tsk
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2003_mercedes-benz_clk-gtr_roadster-1.jpg

[MacF1]

unfortunately, those things have a nasty habit of "taking off" if you go over 200mph!!!!

Le Man anyone?!?!?!?

[bum-man]

the car you are refuring to is the mercedes CLR a very "flat" and completely different car
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=2000_mercedes-benz_clr-1.jpg

[MacF1]

Wow that looks odd!!

[86m3mpower]

it is impossible to pick one. if for me, by looks i'd take the zonda over anything, but its not on there so i'd pick the saleen. By performance, the cc8s runs a quarter mile in the low 10's, so I'd pick the koenigsegg for performance. But switch the F1 for the F1 LM and your running in the 9's...