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erni
05-04-2011, 02:07 AM
Hi, I made a small special of the Porsches in German Rally Championships. Enjoy the sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXfP6vT-qiU

Matra et Alpine
05-04-2011, 02:50 AM
Thank you :)
Didn't realise they were pushing the GT3s out on loose stages too :)

W.R.
05-04-2011, 09:53 AM
So when will we see more ex-circuit racers taking to the stages? This is the best use for otherwise redundant track cars ever.

Matra et Alpine
05-04-2011, 10:06 AM
Doubt these are "redundant" racers :)
If Britain gets road closures back on the law books then expect lots of tarmac focussed cars on our rallies too !!!
Other European countries have lots of tarmac events :(

There was the Aston :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yso-HwXT85M

NSXType-R
05-04-2011, 02:35 PM
Thank you :)
Didn't realise they were pushing the GT3s out on loose stages too :)

The Porsche GT3s ran in Pikes Peak. Before and after they paved it. :D

Matra et Alpine
05-04-2011, 02:40 PM
Yeah Pikes Peak's a bit special one-off tho :)
National rallies are regular and less "specialist" I was thinking

Ferrer
05-04-2011, 02:58 PM
Doubt these are "redundant" racers :)
If Britain gets road closures back on the law books then expect lots of tarmac focussed cars on our rallies too !!!
Other European countries have lots of tarmac events :(

There was the Aston :)
Aside from Porsche and Astons, we had Ferraris as well.

Our championship is fully run on tarmac.

Matra et Alpine
05-04-2011, 03:12 PM
^^^ yeah we're stuck with the Manx and the Jim Clark as the only closed-road tarmac events in the uk :(

RacingManiac
05-04-2011, 03:57 PM
I think the advantage of the RR layout, like traction, will probably be just as useful on the loose stuff.....

These cars do look like the Cup cars no?

clutch-monkey
05-04-2011, 03:58 PM
^some of them look like simply modified road cars, but who can tell when their so close to begin with..

Matra et Alpine
05-04-2011, 05:14 PM
NO, RM, sadly the Porsche on loose is as Porsche has always been on loose .... power-off oversteer :(
The Porsche layout works on tarmac because the big rears can guarantee the grip.
On loose, you lose that :( and so end up taking stages like a drift driver and as slowly :(

NSXType-R
05-04-2011, 05:32 PM
^some of them look like simply modified road cars, but who can tell when their so close to begin with..

Some of them seem to have headlight covers, making a 996 look more like a 997.

Broken egg headlamp 996s really don't appeal to me, so all the better.

I actually like the 997 GT3s pre mid-model change the best.

Ferrer
05-04-2011, 11:14 PM
NO, RM, sadly the Porsche on loose is as Porsche has always been on loose .... power-off oversteer :(
The Porsche layout works on tarmac because the big rears can guarantee the grip.
On loose, you lose that :( and so end up taking stages like a drift driver and as slowly :(
And ever since Audi introduced four wheel drive to rallying in 1981, the traction advantage was lost forever.

erni
05-10-2011, 12:57 AM
...here is some more, older stuff of the Porsches...;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFrMy-4ra2g

csl177
05-10-2011, 01:01 AM
Works for me. But older? Jeezus man, these are '90s cars.

henk4
05-10-2011, 01:10 AM
Works for me. But older? Jeezus man, these are '90s cars.

showing YOUR age here? ;)

csl177
05-10-2011, 01:11 AM
It's not that hard. Look at our sigs.

Ferrer
05-10-2011, 01:13 AM
Don't worry guys, despite turning 25 this week I'm actually from 1927.

csl177
05-10-2011, 01:15 AM
Don't worry guys, despite turning 25 this week I'm actually from 1927.

If that's the case, I'm from 1896.

clutch-monkey
05-10-2011, 01:25 AM
some of our members were only just born in the 90's, there's a scary though :p

Commodore GS/E
05-10-2011, 01:51 AM
NO, RM, sadly the Porsche on loose is as Porsche has always been on loose .... power-off oversteer :(
The Porsche layout works on tarmac because the big rears can guarantee the grip.
On loose, you lose that :( and so end up taking stages like a drift driver and as slowly :(

But if the RR layout is that bad on gravel, why have RR vehicles dominated rallying for that long (Simca, NSU, the Hillman Imp... I could go on)? I guess that having more weight on the driven wheels improves traction (which is why FR cars nearly disappeared from the sport). Also, Porsche has solved the "uncontrollable oversteer of death" problem now.

Ferrer
05-10-2011, 02:02 AM
(Simca, NSU, the Hillman Imp... I could go on)? I guess that having more weight on the driven wheels improves traction (which is why FR cars nearly disappeared from the sport).
Odd choice of dominating rear engined cars... :p

I would have chose the 911, the A110 and the Stratos. Also they didn't exactly disappear. Up until the Quattro appeared cars like the Escort, 131 Abarth or Sunbeam Lotus were quite successful.

csl177
05-10-2011, 02:05 AM
Also, Porsche has solved the "uncontrollable oversteer of death" problem now.

It's not uncontrollable. It requires skill... which has been replaced by computers.

Commodore GS/E
05-10-2011, 02:06 AM
Odd choice of dominating rear engined cars... :p

I would have chose the 911, the A110 and the Stratos. Also they didn't exactly disappear. Up until the Quattro appeared cars like the Escort, 131 Abarth or Sunbeam Lotus were quite successful.

I've chosen those because they had no real competition in their concrete classes... the Simca Rallye was nearly unbeatable in the 1300cc class (at least that's what I've read so far).
And jeeez, I knew I had forgotten something important... of course, the Alpine :o

Matra et Alpine
05-10-2011, 03:58 AM
Ferrer, Commodore is picking outstanding class leading cars of an earlier vintage than the others got things sorted out :)

Having rallied an Imp it is NOT an easy car at all and spent more time "in trouble" than "in control" :)

The BIG thing with those first set of outstanding rear engine rear wheel drive was power to weight. They were VERY light, very small cars competing against much larger cars. So there reasons for winning weren't jsut the engine position. Jsut as the Mini would prove about power/weight/size that time in FWD configuration.

The Stratos kind of proved the disadvantage of chasing more power in a rear engine RWD car and was spectacular but relatively slow on gravel.

The front engine rear drive progess with high revving , high power, small engines proved it's worth over the rear layout for everything other than pure tarmac ( and even some of those did with tarmac setups ). Then as noted the Quattro came along and upset the cart just as the likes of the 037 and 5 Turbo had pushed the limits on tarmac and in the case of the Lanci in the hands of the Finns showign "Promise" on gravel -- but check the records and see how many retireements and accidents they had off tarmac :(

Just some of the rasons I think :)