1957 vs. 2012

[Mugen_Ferio]

You know by today's standards none of us was supposed to ever make it.
HIGH S1957 vs. 2012 CHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2012

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2012 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2012 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it

Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2012 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalinand prescribed medical marijuana. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.

2012 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school..

1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock

2012 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.

2012 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.

1957 - Ants die.

2012 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2012 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

Stupid but true and you Americans will say it is not so. The world is going soft!

[Magnum9987]

That is definitely a hyperbole. Maybe in 5 years time that will be true

[Mugen_Ferio]

That is definitely a hyperbole. Maybe in 5 years time that will be true

Thats not what I heard

[Cobrafan427]

I won't deny that is happening but at the same time i won't agree that it's happening to that extent. I highly doubt the FBI gets called in whenever a kid plays with firecrackers and what does Aspirin and weapons have anything to do with each other?

[culver]

I won't deny that is happening but at the same time i won't agree that it's happening to that extent.
+1

When I was in school I did a how to report. My subject was a Molotov cocktail. I did not bring in physical ingredients. I'm not sure that would be OK today. I also recall the high school kids having rifles for hunting after school. Again, it was OK so long as it stayed in the car.

[B Bop]

Thats not what you heard ? From who ? Probably the same people that told me that South Africa is one of the safest countries in the word (one of the highest crime rates) and that the government and police are honorable trustworthy folks (corruption off the charts) Why dont you get on a plane and come visit the USA and see for yourself. Granted, no country is perfect but compared to South Africa, the USA is freaking heaven ... and I should know a bit about what I am saying as I have lived an equal amount of time in both countries.

[Mugen_Ferio]

Well...I dont live in a Nanny State

[kingofthering]

Nanny state? Remember that the United States is a nation where large numbers of people hold the idea that increasing the tax rates on the 1% is class warfare by the "fascist Marxists" and that socialized health care is something that's so awful and un-American that the best course of action is to just let poor people die because they're poor.

Also, in 1957 you could not question the motives of the nation without being labeled as a "Red Communist" whereas now it's considered the "in" and "patriotic" thing for politicians on the right to publicly trash the head of the nation to his face. The rest of what you said? Parts of it are based on fact, but the vast majority is all lies and damned lies. Trust me on this, I went through the public K-12 system up until a few years ago (graduated).

Besides, the 1800s were 10x better than 1957. Men were men, you didn't have that pansy-ass 300hp V6 with air suspension to take you places; you had to ride a 1-horsepower...horse to go fight a duel with Alexander Hamilton. :D

[jcp123]

Sorry, but I have to agree with the scenarios as written :)

[Cobrafan427]

When I was in school I did a how to report. My subject was a Molotov cocktail. I did not bring in physical ingredients. I'm not sure that would be OK today. I also recall the high school kids having rifles for hunting after school. Again, it was OK so long as it stayed in the car.

Gotta admit too that if a high schooler wrote a report about about a Molotov now-a-days, they would get sent to the counselor but then again mass murderous teenagers are seemingly more common today.



Well...I dont live in a Nanny State

To translate Mr. Mandela; "fight nice children." Every nation needs a "nanny" gov't to keep the peace and at least our civil war was well over 100 yrs ago

[henk4]

Scenario four: The most likely outcome will be that the neighbor will sue Billy's dad until his eventual bankruptcy. ....

Scenario 7: Those were the days where you could kill innocent animals and enjoy it...

[Mugen_Ferio]

Gotta admit too that if a high schooler wrote a report about about a Molotov now-a-days, they would get sent to the counselor but then again mass murderous teenagers are seemingly more common today.




To translate Mr. Mandela; "fight nice children." Every nation needs a "nanny" gov't to keep the peace and at least our civil war was well over 100 yrs ago

Oh it just absolutely annoys me when foreigners (espacially Americans) speak of South Africa like they actually know what goes on here by only knowing what they see or read on the news.

[culver]

Gotta admit too that if a high schooler wrote a report about about a Molotov now-a-days, they would get sent to the counselor but then again mass murderous teenagers are seemingly more common today.

Actually I was 11 at the time.


Oh it just absolutely annoys me when foreigners (espacially Americans) speak of South Africa like they actually know what goes on here by only knowing what they see or read on the news.
Of course that is in a sense what your post does to the US ;)

[Cobrafan427]

Oh it just absolutely annoys me when foreigners (espacially Americans) speak of South Africa like they actually know what goes on here by only knowing what they see or read on the news.

Ok then, enlighten me, how do you fake an apartheid to misconstrue yourself to other nations?

[Mugen_Ferio]

Ok then, enlighten me, how do you fake an apartheid to misconstrue yourself to other nations?


You now what I dont wanna get banned so Im going to leave this right here

[B Bop]

A wise choice ! Now, lets all get back to what we all love ...cars and racing !

[Cobrafan427]

You now what I dont wanna get banned so Im going to leave this right here

Ok that's cool, you were trolling anyway

[Matra et Alpine]

Apartheid in SA was soooooo long ago !!
The comments kind of proved the point :)

[Mugen_Ferio]

Ok that's cool, you were trolling anyway

Trolling?! :confused:

[henk4]

Oh it just absolutely annoys me when foreigners (espacially Americans) speak of South Africa like they actually know what goes on here by only knowing what they see or read on the news.

Well, in that respect, it has not gone by unnoticed over here what a certain mr. Rick Santorum said about euthanasia in the Netherlands....

[Cobrafan427]

Trolling?! :confused:

Random USA bashing thread isn't? I don't like the way my country's gone but it still beats living in a majority of others and i'll stick up for that

[henk4]

Random USA bashing thread isn't? I don't like the way my country's gone but it still beats living in a majority of others and i'll stick up for that

Mugen Ferio, it might help to show the original source of the quote in post #1.

[Mugen_Ferio]

Mugen Ferio, it might help to show the original source of the quote in post #1.

Ek dink ook so.


Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2012 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2012 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it

Scenario 3:
Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2012 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalinand prescribed medical marijuana. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.

2012 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school..

1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock

2012 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.

2012 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.

1957 - Ants die.

2012 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2012 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

O and I didnt do American bashing. Eventhough this might be a bit exaggerated there is some truth to this no?

[henk4]

OK, fine but what's the source of these scenarios? Did you produce them yourself or did you find them somewhere and if so where?

[Mugen_Ferio]

O ok I see what you mean. A friend sent them too me. I unfortunately do not have the original email anymore, but I DID NOT come up with this by myself.


Also google 1957 vs. 2012 and you'll get some sources

[CdocZ]

:rolleyes:

"I think Obama is an awful president who is trying to ruin our country with things like healthcare!" Sure, healthcare is a real thing...doesn't mean the statement isn't bashing the guy still.

NOTE: This in no way reflects my political views, and I know it is potentially politically charged - just the only good example I could think up off the top of my head. Do not make a discussion out of my example, please.

[Mugen_Ferio]

:rolleyes:

"I think Obama is an awful president who is trying to ruin our country with things like healthcare!" Sure, healthcare is a real thing...doesn't mean the statement isn't bashing the guy still.

NOTE: This in no way reflects my political views, and I know it is potentially politically charged - just the only good example I could think up off the top of my head. Do not make a discussion out of my example, please.


I wont

[Kitdy]

Pff, 50s nostalgia is bullshit. The 50s are revered as a time of happiness and fun for all in North America, but it was just chrome covering rust to the core. Alcoholism, racism, and sexism were rampant. The 50s has achieved nostalgic status for North Americans from time to time in the last 30 odd years, but it is all bullshit. If you were a woman or a minority back then, life was probably pretty shitty for you. School would probably suck if you were being bullied, as that seemed much more tolerable in the day. With the boomers being such a big segment of the North American population, they like to, and are able to, make the period of their childhoods seem rosy and happy, when things were actually pretty damn terrible.

[CdocZ]

Pff, 50s nostalgia is bullshit. The 50s are revered as a time of happiness and fun for all in North America, but it was just chrome covering rust to the core. Alcoholism, racism, and sexism were rampant. The 50s has achieved nostalgic status for North Americans from time to time in the last 30 odd years, but it is all bullshit. If you were a woman or a minority back then, life was probably pretty shitty for you. School would probably suck if you were being bullied, as that seemed much more tolerable in the day. With the boomers being such a big segment of the North American population, they like to, and are able to, make the period of their childhoods seem rosy and happy, when things were actually pretty damn terrible.

This. +1.

[Fleet 500]

Pff, 50s nostalgia is bullshit. The 50s are revered as a time of happiness and fun for all in North America, but it was just chrome covering rust to the core. Alcoholism, racism, and sexism were rampant. The 50s has achieved nostalgic status for North Americans from time to time in the last 30 odd years, but it is all bullshit. If you were a woman or a minority back then, life was probably pretty shitty for you. School would probably suck if you were being bullied, as that seemed much more tolerable in the day. With the boomers being such a big segment of the North American population, they like to, and are able to, make the period of their childhoods seem rosy and happy, when things were actually pretty damn terrible.
Strange, my mom and Aunts (all women) really enjoyed the '50s. Most of them had a driver's license and a car and a job.

Bullying in school still happens today. Some kids even commit suicide because of it.

Were the '50s perfect? No, but what decade was?

[pimento]

...my mom and Aunts (all women)...

Most are.

:p

[clutch-monkey]

Pff, 50s nostalgia is bullshit. The 50s are revered as a time of happiness and fun for all in North America, but it was just chrome covering rust to the core. Alcoholism, racism, and sexism were rampant.

how is that different from the present :p

[Fleet 500]

Most are.

:p
These days sometimes you can't tell!

[Cobrafan427]

These days sometimes you can't tell!

You can probably tell in South Africa LOL

[f6fhellcat13]

henk, presumably you were implying that the criticism comes from within? I have seen things like this before and they tend to be written by Americans.
I am more than happy that kids don't have guns at school; I don't trust adults with them, so why should I trust kids? I would also like to think I'm sophisticated enough (or too much of a pussy, for you naysayers) that I needn't fight with someone over some likely-trivial matter of personal hubris and try to avoid those who do.

...
I agree with this sentiment and always find it funny when I see rockabilly types and hear boomers waxing poetic about the '50s; identifying with an era's aesthetic is one thing, but donning rose-tinted radiation goggles is another entirely.

That being said, there were some definite benefits: Michael Lamm | Hemmings Blog: Classic and collectible cars and parts (http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/author/mikel/) (scroll to the bottom to read the first entry, though the third is my favorite)

[Mugen_Ferio]

:confused:

[csl177]

Well, in that respect, it has not gone by unnoticed over here what a certain mr. Rick Santorum said about euthanasia in the Netherlands....
Believe me, most of us think that guy is seriously deranged. But the media loves these types... got 24/7/365 to fill and ad dollars to shill.

Pff, 50s nostalgia is bullshit. The 50s are revered as a time of happiness and fun for all in North America, but it was just chrome covering rust to the core. Alcoholism, racism, and sexism were rampant. The 50s has achieved nostalgic status for North Americans from time to time in the last 30 odd years, but it is all bullshit. If you were a woman or a minority back then, life was probably pretty shitty for you. School would probably suck if you were being bullied, as that seemed much more tolerable in the day. With the boomers being such a big segment of the North American population, they like to, and are able to, make the period of their childhoods seem rosy and happy, when things were actually pretty damn terrible.
Don't forget red baiting and HUAC. Since boomers were kids then, it seems to have paved the path of perpetual fear-mongering that's rampant in American culture. As you say, the bad parts are neatly glossed over or discarded. Nostalgia is about comfort.

Ok then, enlighten me, how do you fake an apartheid to misconstrue yourself to other nations?
Well, to be fair, some parts of the USA enforced a defacto apartheid well into the 1970s. A close friend that grew up in Durban has distinct memories of 1950-60s SA which in some ways mirrored my southern upbringing. My grade school wasn't desgregated until 1962. :o

Ek dink ook so. O and I didnt do American bashing. Even though this might be a bit exaggerated there is some truth to this no?
Of course... but seriously though, the scenarios are laughably hyberbolic.

There is a truth that wouldn't happen today: I lived in an area that was still pretty rural and did in fact sometimes bring a shotgun and .22 pistol to school along with camping gear on Fridays, stashed in my locker until last bell. My best friend and me would ride our bikes to what was then the edge of the Everglades, to hunt dove and quail on the weekend.

Once we thought we witnessed a shooting near our camp and rode to the sheriff's station for help. The cop drove us back, inspected the area and just told us keep a lookout. We were 12 and 13. Nowadays, a police squad would have been sent.

[Mugen_Ferio]

Ok but you are from the south like you say you are, I can understand that because is the southern states are more Rebuplican orientated, are they not

[f6fhellcat13]

Careful with your terms, there. Republican and Democrat don't mean now what they did in '57. Back then, the South was a Democratic-Party stronghold, though I don't know about Florida, because that isn't really the Deep South.

[Kitdy]

Dixiecrats!

[csl177]

Dixiecrats!

Exactly. Conservative Southern Democrats wrapped up in protectionism of white cultural interests. Which now describes a large portion of the GOP. Two decades of Republican "Southern Strategy" worked a treat... disinfranchisement is still an effective tool.

Southern Democrats still tend to be socially & economically conservative, but compared to their opposition are downright reasonable.