Which Country Builds The Best Cars?

[DarkPhenix]

Which country builds the best cars? Italy or Germany in my opinion... what about you guys?

[Coventrysucks]

We've done this before:
Britain makes the best cars.

Caterham
Westfield
Radical
Ariel
Noble
MG
TVR
Lotus
Morgan
Lister
Marcos
McLaren
Williams
Jordan
Triple 8
Lola
Prodrive
Ultima
Ford GT40
Bristol

Jaguar
Bentley
Rolls Royce
Aston Martin
(Not technically 100% British, but hey..)

A true Petrolheads dream garage.
:D

[UK CARS]

We've done this before:
Britain makes the best cars.

Caterham
Westfield
Radical
Ariel
Noble
MG
TVR
Lotus
Morgan
Lister
Marcos
McLaren
Williams
Jordan
Triple 8
Lola
Prodrive

A true Petrolheads dream garage.
:D

You forgot ultima :) Good Lad

[Sweeney921]

oh woops, i didnt see britain on there, so i said other

[Mustang]

has to be britain, not that i am bias or anything :p just we make such dam good cars

you also missed aston martin off theree coventry :eek: how could you :mad: *jk

[cp01ae]

You want a passionate car, you go to Italy, you want a teutonic marvel of engineering, you go to Germany, you want a reliable tecnological marvel, you go to Japan, you want a lousy dated overweight barge, you go to the States. :) just my opinion

[deffenbaugh03]

Hey thats an insult to us americans!! o well i agree with you we suck

[cp01ae]

You don't suck, just your cars. :) (and your laws :D )

[byronleehk]

You don't suck, just your cars. :) (and your laws :D )

Hey we DO MAKE great cars....at least once in a blue moon :D

[Sweeney921]

yea, i dont think the SSC aero is too bad

[silverhawk]

1 italy
2 germany
3 britain
4 usa
5 sweden [koenigsegg]
6 japan
7 korea

[r1ckst4]

I love Lamborghinis....theyr beautiful and fast... but still i havta admit dat ferraris r much better, therefor my vote goes to the italians.

[NoOne]

I chose Germany, Japan is a close second and in different price ranges their positions would be reversed. My choice is based on performance, reliability, mass appeal and value (including resale value).

Unfortunately, we get so few Brit cars over here that I can't judge them fairly, sorry guys.

[junaman]

I'll say germany. The best in comfort and luxury..

[digitalcraft]

Most big companies are really too global now to say what country...

[fpv_gtho]

for me, best would hav to be the Japanese, but the ocals here come up with some of the best value for money cars in the world

[byronleehk]

I chose Germany, Japan is a close second and in different price ranges their positions would be reversed.

I strongly agree!

My friend had a Lexus 430 for about a year then changed to a Mercedes S500. I had ride in both cars a lot and we both agreed that the Lexus was more comfortable, more roomy and quieter. Truth!

But the Mercedes has lot more 'class' :)

[HemiCuda500]

It depends on what you mean by "better" cars.
I chose Japan because I define "better" as being superior engineering/reliability. You could just as easily define "better" as referring to performance, ergonomics, asthetics, sales, owner satisfaction, history (of a company), legacy (of a model), manufacturing, fuel efficiency, capability, environmentally-friendly, etc....

[Falcon500]

for me, best would hav to be the Japanese, but the ocals here come up with some of the best value for money cars in the world
I Personally chose australian cars...not many are as hardy of as good for the money....and they a very easy on the wallet to fix comapred to a jap car....japs have second...america thrid...we have some common parts make them cheaper to fix....
And nothing else rates a mention to me...german cars are boring...itias they seem to build cars that brak down...french have a tallent for that as well...

[fpv_gtho]

Well i dont know if everyone is going to agree with you there Falc, but the way i see it, 10 years ago the Germans were leading on quality whilst the Italians seemed to be the best for performance, but i cant say the same today. I strongly thing Japan has now got better quality than Germany, but mainly because it seems Germanies standards seem to be slipping, perhaps with things like the X5 being built in the US. Australian manufacturers are 10x what they were 10 years ago now and edging onto the global scene, but still they're just a spec in the ocean. America seems to be improving their quality but its sneaking in under the radar, so no one seems to notice. As for Italy, well Ferrari has come under fire pretty strong from fellow Italians, Germans and the odd American. France, well theyre rather controversial, a love it or hate it situation, especially with cars like the new Megane. I think their technology is on the level, but i dont like French designers

[motorsportnerd]

I'd have to say the Germans. Cars like the BMW M5, Audi RS6, Mercedes E500 do everything so well and are so desirable that, as Falc said, they are 'almost' boring. If you threw me the keys to any of the above three cars, I'd take them in a second. Also, cars like the new VW Golf and Opel (Vauxhall/Holden) Astra show that the Germans also know how to make extremely good, efficient, excellent handling, high quality compact cars.
The Japanese rate second. The German cars may be extremely good and classy, but they do tend to lack soul, especially these days. The Japanese are actually producing cars that stir the passion - Subaru Impreza WRX, Subaru Legacy GT, Nissan 350Z, Mazda RX8, Mazda MX5, Toyota Supra Turbo and Mitsubishi Lancer Evo 8 are current standouts. Skyline GTR and Mazda RX7 Turbo are recent standouts. Each of these cars attracts very passionate fans(though it has to be said that some of these fans give these cars a bad name), and to do so they must stir the soul.
The current mid-size cars from the Japanese, such as the Honda Accord Euro and Mazda 6 show that the Japanese are more than capable of building non-performance cars that still offer a degree of passion and driving enjoyment.
In third, for me, are the Australians. The hot Falcons and Commodores stir the above mentioned passion. Also, whether we're talking the bread and butter Falcons and Commodores or the hot versions are probably the best value for money cars in the world.

[Falcon500]

Well im comparing alotof things and perofrmance is very low down on the list...the reason because we are in a huge industry here and the biggest majority vehicals are the family saloons...and the things that are important about them and in no order Fuel ecconmy,Reliablility,Cost of parts,insurence,practicality,useable performance etc etc....Germans cars are far to expensive to fix...even worse then ultra expensive jap cars....american cars are cheap and while nast and apprently have numerous problems arnt as bad as the select (what the media chooses to share) shares with you...i have chatted to numerous american who are quite happy with the cars they have/currently own and breakdowns are not very prelavent...and in the few cases they where they where very cost effective to fix....
I still think German cars within my parametres are themost boring cars on the planet!(for their price tag)
I stand by my statements of italian cars....and the french cars though i will add that you are right there technology is just as good as anyone elses...just doesnt seem to last as long....

[fpv_gtho]

american cars are cheap and while nast and apprently have numerous problems arnt as bad as the select (what the media chooses to share) shares with you...i have chatted to numerous american who are quite happy with the cars they have/currently own and breakdowns are not very prelavent...and in the few cases they where they where very cost effective to fix.......


well i dont know if its because of the market or not, but it seems American cars attract a low resale value. ive seen a report saying new Impala's have about 35% 3 year resale value, compared to the locals getting between 50-60%

[Falcon500]

Wel;l becuase between model they usually change every year....and for exmaple like ford who pull in as much money as some oil rich companys every year or chevrolet whith even more resources...its not overly expensive thing to do...and in three years the cars while similar have numerous diffrences...some of the time...and if you look closley new cars in america are cheap compred to mostother places as well...even the genral cost of liveing is quite cheap there....

[fpv_gtho]

well they do get a better deal on the GTO than we do for the Monaro. they get it for about $10K less, yet the performance times claim its as fast as the GTS

[Falcon500]

well they do get a better deal on the GTO than we do for the Monaro. they get it for about $10K less, yet the performance times claim its as fast as the GTS
Well one thing i didn learn from a few amricans was these times are possible...but....they are always and i mean always done in the bestpossible weather Cold and not humid...usually have no spare and with a drained fuel tank...and in some cases (apprently GM where bad for this) had their 1/4s on a slight incline going down :eek: this is what i was told and i actually believe most of it...other then the incline part now that is just wrong...isnt there laws against that?

[fpv_gtho]

well everyone uses diffrent methods, but the ones used by the Americans have always been a mystery to me. Wheels for one put half a tank of petrol with 2 people, whilst Motor have a full tank but only the driver. Wheels usually only do 2 runs as well which is a bit cheeap i think.

i think as long as they made it clear the methods for testing, there shouldnt be wrong with it. the troubles would come when comparisons are made with conflicting methods

[Falcon500]

Well personally i think there should be a test fully stipped out...like the american one an optimised figure...then they should return it to normal comparison...so you know what it could do in a perfect world...but alsoknow what it normally does...

[Meio]

We've done this before:
Britain makes the best cars.

Caterham
Westfield
Radical
Ariel
Noble
MG
TVR
Lotus
Morgan
Lister
Marcos
McLaren
Williams
Jordan
Triple 8
Lola
Prodrive
Ultima
Ford GT40
Bristol

Jaguar
Bentley
Rolls Royce
Aston Martin
(Not technically 100% British, but hey..)

A true Petrolheads dream garage.
:D

Especially if you add all the other marques, here are some I have remembered:

Delfino
Ascari
Tiger Racing

Lola? Williams? If we're gonna include racing teams and manufacturers we'll be here all week (TWR... BAR... in fact over half the F1 teams... oh and weren't a load of Indycar chassis made in the UK until a few years ago... well half the WRC teams are based in the UK anyway).


Doesn't it all depend on what you mean by 'best'? If you want mad cars with no carpets (sometimes no body panels even) and plastic switch gear, that can go round a circuit faster than any other (even faster than your Tifosi beloved Italian posermobiles and stuff), then yes British. If you want a car you can drive your mum down the shops in then there are better countries. For track-day performance buy British, just expect to get wet driving home with no stereo, and your shopping on the passenger seat.

Meio

[Manik]

Italy all the way, it's hard to beat Ferrari or Lamborghini. Italy also makes amazing motorbikes.................Ducatti...

[Matra et Alpine]

Italy also makes amazing motorbikes.................Ducatti...
In the amazing way the desmo components need major service and repair costing 1/4 the price of the bike every couple of years. Yep, amazing :)

remember Ducati win races because they were allowed to have 250 more cc s than everyoen else in WSB and NOW everyoen else has restrictors. Nto great success in MotoGP. Brought out a great engine and bike that was a good one, but VERY quickly overtaken in the engine stakes and unable to queeze any more out of the desmo system :(

MV Augusta - much better bike :)

[Koenigsegg_CC]

Either Germany or Japan because they seem to own nearly all of the car industry put together :p

[Turbonutter55]

You want a passionate car, you go to Italy, you want a teutonic marvel of engineering, you go to Germany, you want a reliable tecnological marvel, you go to Japan, you want a lousy dated overweight barge, you go to the States. :) just my opinion
You forgot to mention: If you want something classy, understated and BLOODY FAST, you go to Britain.

[787b racer]

does italy build lambos?

[Turbo.Jenkens]

does italy build lambos?


posted august 18th 2007:

i got into cars when i was 4 and i still like them.and i know every car in the world

You're a very special boy!

[go.pawel]

Not to mention that this thread died 32 months ago :P