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Swissbeatz
07-07-2004, 08:05 AM
Hey what's up y'all. I'm back again in this forum. Too busy for posting some threads.Business before and fun after.
Police has revoked my driving license last week cause. They caught my car speeding at 282km/h on the highway. I have been flashed once again. Goddamn Country.
Never try this at home son. I have filmed some good stuff of my buddy driving my Carrera 4 at 254km/h that's crazy. We will try to shot the 280km/h... it will be crazy. next week I will post all this videos and pictures.(If we don't crash lol God bless us). Where can I put the videos??? there are no space on ultimatecarpage.

take a look at www.kimble.com that's my buddy Kimble's website, the fat man of the Gumball. You can find good stuffs on his website and if you want some shots of the 2004 Gumball, take a look at Ant's website. The man driving a BMW Diesel in the Gumball3000...craziest drive like crazy lol.... http://www.antandpete.co.uk/

have a nice day and don't drive fast but fly.... lol

NoOne
07-07-2004, 10:24 AM
I'm not wishing this on you, but ...... when you die I hope you are alone.

Let me elaborate ... you seem fascinated with going incredible speeds (tho in all honesty I don't believe you own the cars you have previously made claim to) on public roads with total disregard for yours or anyone elses safety ... I pray that if you lose control of your car by error or mechanical issue I hope the only person who's life is in jeopardy is yours.

Please do me a favour, the next time you pull a stupid act such as this, mount a video cam inside the car... it might just capture the moment. :)

I could not be happier knowing that I - or my family - do not share any road with you.

I realize this post is unbecoming of a moderator ... but I feel it needs to be said.

Swissbeatz
07-07-2004, 10:49 AM
[QUOTE=NoOne]Let me elaborate ... you seem fascinated with going incredible speeds (tho in all honesty I don't believe you own the cars you have previously made claim to) on public roads with total disregard for yours or anyone elses safety ... I pray that if you lose control of your car by error or mechanical issue I hope the only person who's life is in jeopardy is yours.
QUOTE]

Nice to meet you once again Noone. I don't have to prove anything but if you don't believe that this carrera is not mine that's your opinion man. And that's not the first time I'm making speed on the highway, it was at 2AM and the road was empty. I love speed, it's dangerous I know but it's not the speed who kill, it's the spid guy who think that he can handle a car at 250km/h who kills, it's the guy who is drugged or drunked who kill not the speed. Take a look at the Gumball or something like that and tell me if they all crashed theur cars. They are speeding at 320km/h on an open road and everybody is safe and why?? Cause they know their car, they are not drunked or drugged and the know what knid of danger you can meet on a road.

and just my cars are on www.cardomain.com/id/swissbeatz if you don't believe me sorry about that. Have a nice day and God bless u

Matra et Alpine
07-07-2004, 12:26 PM
..I love speed, it's dangerous I know but it's not the speed who kill, it's the spid guy who think that he can handle a car at 250km/h who kills,
You say it and yet don't believe it.

it's the guy who is drugged or drunked who kill not the speed.
Excessove speed for the circumstances is what kills.

Take a look at the Gumball or something like that and tell me if they all crashed theur cars. They are speeding at 320km/h on an open road and everybody is safe and why?? Cause they know their car, they are not drunked or drugged and the know what knid of danger you can meet on a road.
That's BS, there have been some bad smashes on Gumball.

It continues because we have free societies and so far no innocents have been injured ( or worse ) killed.

When it does watch the whole thing end VERY quickly.
An accident with a bystander WILL be classed as homicide and rightly so.
The idea of 10 years in jail will take the stupid idiots somewhere else !!

I'd prefer you to show me you doing a lap of a circuit.
Nordschleiffe isn't THAT far a drive for you ( i've done it to Verbier ) and you can then REALLY test your so-called "skill".

WHilst you go fast on a motoroway you only show stupidity and bravado.
That's nothing to do with fast cars or competent driving.

I'd prefer you NOT to post your vids.
Host them somewhere else if you have to.

Cheers

Wolf03
07-07-2004, 12:45 PM
Going that fast on a highway is not cool. Yes, I admit, doing a 10 second drag would be fun but not going more than 200 km/h. Jeez, I just can't believe there are these kind of people out there. It makes you think twice before getting into a car. I don't usually pray for people to die because it is just awful but I hope God will do something to get the crazy drivers off the streets.

Swissbeatz
07-07-2004, 01:24 PM
I don't usually pray for people to die because it is just awful but I hope God will do something to get the crazy drivers off the streets.

What you wish for someone else is what you will live. So keep your bad wishes for you and your familly.

I don't use to make speed every time. I just use to do such stupidity when the road is empty and when the conditions are good for that. First I have done my 280km/h in Freiburg im Brisgau it's in Germany, in a non-limit speed road. I have been flashed by a radar at the begining of the swiss and german border cause I have not seen that the limit speed was 100km/h not unlimited on this part of the road and then I have hit the brakes slowly but it was too late. In Switzerland the speed limit is 120km/h and there since the begining of the year the Police can keep your car if they catch you at 150km/h on the highway. So I don't want to lose my car and go in jail just for the speed.

So the thread is ended that's my bad and I know that so let's talk about others things more interesting.

KnifeEdge_2K1
07-07-2004, 07:58 PM
if u wanna go fast why not go to a track?

even when the roads are dark at night there are still hidden dangers, what if a guy's taillights are out? if he was travelling speed limit and you're going 280 the speed difference is 180 kph thats almost 120 mph. with low visibility conditions of night you may not see him till the last minute. although U may be a great driver (though i highly doubt it) others may not be and react in unpredictable ways

IBrake4Rainbows
07-07-2004, 08:03 PM
To be honest, I have no qualms about telling you that, no matter what you drive, or how good a driver you are, driving at that speed, on a public road, you must have a death wish.

Good on you for using your cars potential, but you deserved to have your licence taken away.

For once the police did act in the interests of everybody, not just to revenue raise.....

Spastik_Roach
07-07-2004, 08:15 PM
You guys, are we calling all the motoring journalists who take Brabus Mercs out on empty Autobahns up to their top speeds stupid law disrepsecting idiots??

IBrake4Rainbows
07-07-2004, 08:32 PM
Yes.

Those types of cars should really only be let out in the capable hands of safe drivers, such as journalists who spend all their time testing cars and finding out where they are most unsafe (Mercedes A-Class???)

In the hands of people who have the money, but i dare say not the skill, these things are deadly, no matter how much electronic gadgetry, no matter how safe the road.

KnifeEdge_2K1
07-07-2004, 08:37 PM
anything with top speed or power like that should require a seperate class of license. something inbetween race license and your standard driver's license, heck i think there should be something between no license and driver's license, u should see some of the people on the road .. going at half the speed limit ... like if u need to drive that slow to be safe ... take a freaking bus

fpv_gtho
07-08-2004, 01:41 AM
How about a High Performance license? I don't think racing licenses are that hard to obtain for those who truly know how to handle a car, so it wouldnt be much of an issue. I know though that for the 11 or so lucky buggers here that bought an M3 CSL, BMW is going to take the speed limiter off the car if they hold a CAMS C3 racing license.

Swissbeatz
07-08-2004, 01:45 AM
Those types of cars should really only be let out in the capable hands of safe drivers, such as journalists who spend all their time testing cars.

Most of these journalists like you said can't afford such cars. And making a car cost thousand of million dollars so the manufacturers must sell their cars.

And I don't want to prove that speed is good but most of deadly accidents rarely involve super cars. 55% of accidents involve little or medium cars like Opel Astra, Ford focus and more. And on the highway 70% accidents involve big trucks. On the highway that's trucks who are dangerous. It's rare to see an accident where the driver was going at 260km/h and has lost the control of his car, very rare. I repeat I don't want to prove that speed is good.
Owning a Porsche or a Ferrari or supercars like that doen't mean that you are driving a bomb and you will kill everybody if you are going fast. First if these cars were so dangerous the governements will not let such cars on the road. Have you ever drive a Porsche or a Ferrari?? with these cars it's impossible to cruise at 120km/h on the highway, exept if you put the cruise control. the Porsche has one of the best brake system in the world. I have tested it with my Porsche dealer on a track. Yes in Switzerland when you buy a Porsche or a Ferrari the dealer suggest that you test your car on a track in France or Germany. Cause it's not everybody who can handle such cars. I have this car since november 2003 and I know very well my car. When you are going at 250km/h and you hit the brake in under 3 sec the car is at 130km/h it's very impressive.
Yes it's dangerous to drive at 280km/h I know that but go tell that to the german authority cause on the part of the highway where I was at 280 the speed was free, UNLIMITED. Why?? Sorry I don't know.

Speed is not good but you shoud not say that these cars must only be for journalists or specialists. Cause the reality is different. Welcome in our world.

Swissbeatz
07-08-2004, 01:54 AM
when I'm making speed on open road I rarely overpass others cars at 200km/h cause we don't know if they have look at their mirror or something like that. It's dangerous cause you know the car, you know the road, but you are not on the mind of the others drivers and you don't know what they can do. When I see a car at 150m in front of me or 200m I hit the brake cause it's dangerous and when I have overpassed him I hit the accelerator. that's it. The only thing I can't know is if an animal will cross the road. And I don't do speed on curves, too dangerous.

That's it, but speed is not good cause you can't be sure at 100%that the road is good.

Spastik_Roach
07-08-2004, 02:06 AM
Why/how you get your license revoked if there was no speed limit? Or are you talking about seperate locations?

Swissbeatz
07-08-2004, 02:16 AM
Ok I will explain. In Freiburg in Germany the highway is not limited so the is not a limit speed. I was driving at 280 just for 10 sec cause you can't drive at this speed too long your engine will be too hot. And just after 2 km before the German and Swiss border, there is a limit speed of 150 km/h and after 120 and 100 km/h but it was the night and I though the highway was unlimited every where. My bad. at 1 km before the border I have been flashed cause it was when I was slowing down but it was too late.

Matra et Alpine
07-08-2004, 05:00 AM
[QUOTE=IBrake4Rainbows]And I don't want to prove that speed is good but most of deadly accidents rarely involve super cars. 55% of accidents involve little or medium cars like Opel Astra, Ford focus and more. And on the highway 70% accidents involve big trucks. On the highway that's trucks who are dangerous.
Watch out for mis-use of statistics.
Supercars probably make up less than 1% of all cars on the road.
SO, the accident rate would be less than 1% if all was equal :)

the Porsche has one of the best brake system in the world.
There is a recongised danger in the over-safety that technical aids give.
I personally have had to have w rod with a German colleague in his new Merc doing 180kn/h on the autobahn in busy traffic and heavy rain with standing water as he sat 30m from the car in front. He told me the ABS was superb :(
He just didnt' graps that it was the factors OUTSIDE of the car he needed to balance against the great technical features of his M-B.

Speed is not good but you shoud not say that these cars must only be for journalists or specialists. Cause the reality is different. Welcome in our world.
I think you have already presented a much more balanced view on your driving in this thread and didn't deserve all the negativity we dumped on you :)
BUT I would close with adding that speed beyond that 'expected' by other road users ( ie speed limits ) should be adhered to. Speed should be limited to a safe level on the roads to protect other road users and yourself. Finally that speed and handling of a car should be played with ON a track. ( But on the latter I've come to realise how lucky I am in the UK with so many great race tracks offering trackdays at reasonable costs - sorry guys and glas :) )

Swissbeatz
07-08-2004, 05:14 AM
I personally have had to have w rod with a German colleague in his new Merc doing 180kn/h on the autobahn in busy traffic and heavy rain with standing water as he sat 30m from the car in front. He told me the ABS was superb :(

wow lol, that's crazy, 180km/h on the autobahn in busy traffic and heavy rain ... ABS was superb. lol that's dangerous man, I can't try this. I love speed but not like this.

KnifeEdge_2K1
07-08-2004, 01:55 PM
to be fair although there are rare super car incidents, it is also because they make up a small percentage of the cars on the road, if you look at the ratios of accidents/population they would be much more alike

at anything over 200 kph on a standard freeway where the pavement is not kept clean as they are in tracks there may be debris or damage in the road that will cause a car to loose traction maybe even spin, this effect would be multiplied when the weather conditions are bad, the "high performance" license is a good idea but the test to obtain such a license should be much harder than standard drivers tests. in fact i believe they should be harder to obtain than a race license because in racing there are less variables to deal with compared to driving on public roads

Matra et Alpine
07-08-2004, 03:39 PM
..... in fact i believe they should be harder to obtain than a race license because in racing there are less variables to deal with compared to driving on public roads
You want to try going into a corner abreast with a couple of other cars knowing that you all want the racing line :)

In club racing it's ALWAYS the guy with the deepest pockets who wins.
All I could ever think about is the cost to repair a wing, wheel or suspension arm :(

whiteballz
07-08-2004, 04:27 PM
And I don't want to prove that speed is good but most of deadly accidents rarely involve super cars. 55% of accidents involve little or medium cars like Opel Astra, Ford focus and more. And on the highway 70% accidents involve big trucks. On the highway that's trucks who are dangerous. It's rare to see an accident where the driver was going at 260km/h and has lost the control of his car, very rare.


guess why those stats are like that? go on, guess....

its because 95% of the driving world cant afford a supercar!

ohh i know, lets try get our 96 subaru liberty up to 280 kph!

i KNOW those figures would be different if more people drove supercars. i guarentee you, that any given 18/30 year old with an evo 8 (which btw is coming to australia next month) would try to get to that speeds.
DANGER D**KHEADS!
not a smart thing now is it?

Coventrysucks
07-08-2004, 05:36 PM
The "high performance" license is a good idea

A Porsche 911 can do 100mph fairly safely in good road conditions (sunny, clear, no other traffic etc), and you can probably chuck it through corners with a bit of pace, but a Ford Focus can go 100mph, and won't be so stable, and is more likely to come unstuck trying to achieve Porsche pace through the twisties.
Therefore the driver of the "low performance" car will probably have an accident, whilst the "high performance" car can "get away with it" so to speak.

It shouldn't be just drivers of high performance cars that benefit from extra training, it should be every road user.

I think that manufacturers should offer courses on how to control high powered cars properly, a few do. They are in the best position to tell you what to expect. It isn't ideal if you are doing your high performance training in a Mercedes SL55 if a Porsche 911 will do something completely different, and a Lotus Elise something else.

I think that there should be some sort of mandetory training on how to handle a car properly when it all goes wrong.

You are shepherded round quiet residential areas at 20mph, doing your "turn in the road" being told all about how to turn into a skid, and what to do when your car starts aquaplaning, but there is no practical training. Therefore when the new driver hits a deep puddle and spins, they have no idea what to do and end up becoming a statistic.

I realise that in some areas it would be impractical to do this, but I think there should be some effort made.
:)

Swissbeatz
07-08-2004, 05:46 PM
A Porsche 911 can do 100mph fairly safely in good road conditions (sunny, clear, no other traffic etc), and you can probably chuck it through corners with a bit of pace, but a Ford Focus can go 100mph, and won't be so stable, and is more likely to come unstuck trying to achieve Porsche pace through the twisties.
Therefore the driver of the "low performance" car will probably have an accident, whilst the "high performance" car can "get away with it" so to speak.

It shouldn't be just drivers of high performance cars that benefit from extra training, it should be every road user.

I think that manufacturers should offer courses on how to control high powered cars properly, a few do. They are in the best position to tell you what to expect. It isn't ideal if you are doing your high performance training in a Mercedes SL55 if a Porsche 911 will do something completely different, and a Lotus Elise something else.

I think that there should be some sort of mandetory training on how to handle a car properly when it all goes wrong.

You are shepherded round quiet residential areas at 20mph, doing your "turn in the road" being told all about how to turn into a skid, and what to do when your car starts aquaplaning, but there is no practical training. Therefore when the new driver hits a deep puddle and spins, they have no idea what to do and end up becoming a statistic.

I realise that in some areas it would be impractical to do this, but I think there should be some effort made.
:)

I agree with you. But I feel safer in my Porsche then in my old Z3 or SLK. This car has been made for speeding, I'm sure and when you are driving at 150km/h it's just like you are driving a Benz or BMW at 100km/h. I don't know how they do their cars but Porsche rules... lol
this is the best car I have ever driven... and God knows what I have driven.

KnifeEdge_2K1
07-08-2004, 05:47 PM
i have no doubt the cars can handle it, but its the people driving them
people who have enough money to buy a 911 or evo 8 generally wont be good enough at the wheel to detect in impending skid, as for preventing it, HA thats a laugh

Swissbeatz
07-08-2004, 05:54 PM
but its the people driving them
people who have enough money to buy a 911 or evo 8 generally wont be good enough at the wheel to detect in impending skid, as for preventing it

Sorry I disagree with you. What do you want to say by this way? When you got money you think that you got the best skills on the road?? NO WAY.
You know who is the dangerous man on the road for me?? The little boy (18-25) with his Honda civic or his eclipse who is trying to do 250 on the autobahn or is racing with his friend's brand new car in downtown.

fpv_gtho
07-08-2004, 07:30 PM
A Porsche 911 can do 100mph fairly safely in good road conditions (sunny, clear, no other traffic etc), and you can probably chuck it through corners with a bit of pace, but a Ford Focus can go 100mph, and won't be so stable, and is more likely to come unstuck trying to achieve Porsche pace through the twisties.
Therefore the driver of the "low performance" car will probably have an accident, whilst the "high performance" car can "get away with it" so to speak.

It shouldn't be just drivers of high performance cars that benefit from extra training, it should be every road user.

I think that manufacturers should offer courses on how to control high powered cars properly, a few do. They are in the best position to tell you what to expect. It isn't ideal if you are doing your high performance training in a Mercedes SL55 if a Porsche 911 will do something completely different, and a Lotus Elise something else.

I think that there should be some sort of mandetory training on how to handle a car properly when it all goes wrong.

You are shepherded round quiet residential areas at 20mph, doing your "turn in the road" being told all about how to turn into a skid, and what to do when your car starts aquaplaning, but there is no practical training. Therefore when the new driver hits a deep puddle and spins, they have no idea what to do and end up becoming a statistic.

I realise that in some areas it would be impractical to do this, but I think there should be some effort made.
:)


I think in some cases, a cars inability to handle high speeds can be a deterant to the driver to take them to those speeds. Theres always crazy buggers who will always try to find their limits even if it means drifting across 3 lanes of traffic trying to keep the car going straight at 200km/h, but i know that if i was driving down the road and the speed i was doing i could keep absolute control of the car, i'd sure as hell slow down.


You might be pleased to know FPV offer high performance driver training as no cost for all of their buyers. Im not sure but i think it could be lead by John Bowe as he runs his own high performance driving centre and also does alot of suspension development for FPV.

KnifeEdge_2K1
07-08-2004, 08:59 PM
Sorry I disagree with you. What do you want to say by this way? When you got money you think that you got the best skills on the road?? NO WAY.


you could try using proper english ...

Swissbeatz
07-09-2004, 04:02 AM
you could try using proper english ...

Sorry I'm s french speaking and I'm just trying to speak in english for learning. I think most of people in this forum understand most of my sentences. If it's not the case I apologyse but you can just perform when you pratice.

If you don't understand my sentences don't speak with me and that's it. Don' waste your time with me.

KnifeEdge_2K1
07-09-2004, 01:45 PM
isnt there a french to english translator program or something?

Matra et Alpine
07-09-2004, 02:26 PM
isnt there a french to english translator program or something?
It doesn't work for most of the language in everyday use ( slang ) or for motor terms.

I've tried. As an owner of 3 French sports cars and service manuals IN FRENCH I know the struggle :(

Egg Nog
07-09-2004, 08:09 PM
What will be his Memento Mori? Will it be too late?

Swissbeatz
07-09-2004, 10:36 PM
What will be his Memento Mori? Will it be too late?

Memento Mori? sorry what is it?

Egg Nog
07-14-2004, 10:50 PM
"Memento Mori" is basically a reminder of your mortality, usually shown by a skull, but I'm pretty sure that another symbol could serve a similar purpose. For example, your car/driving habits.

crisis
07-27-2004, 12:50 AM
I think you have already presented a much more balanced view on your driving in this thread and didn't deserve all the negativity we dumped on you
Yes he did. Much like the idiots in Getaway in Stockholm they have no respect for other people. TO say you are on the roads at 2.00 in the mornig and there are no other cars ignores that fact that there ARE other motorists who will be
1. not expecting an idiot to be travelling at take off speeds
2. either tired or pissed on their way home from something and thus less likely to be aware of even safely driving motorists.
3. On their way to shift work jobs and be still groggy.

Respect other users and go race on a track. We have covered this before and its neithe overly expensive or that difficult.

Mr_Marcus
08-02-2004, 07:06 AM
15KM/H with my feet and still alive. It was at 3AM on the sidewalk, damn it was so scary, the sidewalk was empty so I have reach the limit speed of my body. :D :D :D :D :D

Please walk carrefully too many people die on the sidewalks, respect the limit speed. :D

Niko_Fx
08-02-2004, 08:44 AM
15KM/H with my feet and still alive. It was at 3AM on the sidewalk, damn it was so scary, the sidewalk was empty so I have reach the limit speed of my body. :D :D :D :D :D

Please walk carrefully too many people die on the sidewalks, respect the limit speed. :D

Drugs are bad..... Hmhmmm K

Bladerider
08-12-2004, 08:34 AM
Im a stupid young idiot and I know I drive too quick, but at least I admit it.

Im amazed at the level of hypocrisy that must be floating round here.

Speed makes whats gonna happen worse, but it isnt the CAUSE of many accidents. And whilst you guys are saying take it to a track, and do a quater mile etc etc, we are all human, we like fast cars, and if the opportunity arises we are going to use that performance. Sorry but this is just human nature. The trick is to try and temper that with judgement. I would also add that until you have driven a REALLY fast car you might not be able to realise just how quick you can get to silly speeds in short distances. I mean my car does 1/8th miles in 7sec or less at terminals well over 100mph. Thats only 200metres ffs. When joining the motorway its easy to start on the slip road at 30 and be doing 150+ by the time you are actually on the motorway.

Believe me, you dont need as much space as you think, and if no one else is around to get hurt then thats one of the beauties of a free country.

Just my 2p's worth

J.

crisis
08-12-2004, 06:20 PM
Im a stupid young idiot and I know I drive too quick, but at least I admit it.

Im amazed at the level of hypocrisy that must be floating round here.

Believe me, you dont need as much space as you think, and if no one else is around to get hurt then thats one of the beauties of a free country.

Just my 2p's worth

J.
Your last line is important. So is the first. I have had a car to 180kmh on a country road. There were no cars in front or behind me ( I thought). There were no side roads and you could see off the side of the road over the fields so there was ample visibility. I reached that speed, sat on it for about a minute and slowed down. Imagine my surprise at seeing a Police car closing in my mirror, which I had been checking (paranoid). Where did it come from. How did he get so close when I was travelling at 180kmh? How badly was I about to be reamed? Well he dod me for 130kmh in a 100kmh zone which I gladly accepted. But I still dont know where he came from. At least I wasnt trying to work out where a car come from that collided with at that speed. Your right that speed in itself does not cause accidents. But it helps make them a lot worse. Good luck.