Which car do you HATE most?

[Gilly]

PLEASE NAME A FEW NAMES OF THE WORST cars to ever come onto the road!!!

I hate the new 'SMART' cars

[SL500]

Originally posted by Gilly
PLEASE NAME A FEW NAMES OF THE WORST cars to ever come onto the road!!!

I hate the new 'SMART' cars
haha
nice thread
I HATE japanese cars-not all-toyota,mazda (RX8),honda
but not nissan
but why smart?

[piledriver]

I hate russian cars specially LADA...
ladas are awfull!!!

[SL500]

Originally posted by piledriver
I hate russian cars specially LADA...
ladas are awfull!!!
hehehe:D
yes,may be it looks very bad and ugly but a good car for mountains and off-road

[kinan.f]

Originally posted by piledriver
I hate russian cars specially LADA...
ladas are awfull!!!

Especially that they,eastern european cars in general, are outdated by others.I can't understand why they can't make some thing stylish.

[motorhead]

rolls royce - youre telling me youre gonna pay hundred of thousands for a square box - the interior is just wood and leather which you can find in a XJ and s-class and they are much cheaper with all the gagets and gizmos and with much better realiability - class - rollers have class but what happes to the class when you tell people your car has a problem

[piledriver]

Originally posted by SL500
hehehe:D
yes,may be it looks very bad and ugly but a good car for mountains and off-road

I know it, here in my country Lada Niva is a legend for the off roaders...

[Lagonda]

Everything Audi/Volkswagen/Skoda/Seat. It's a shame they bouht Bentley and Lamborghini. I don't care about Bugatti :p

[motorhead]

Originally posted by Lagonda
Everything Audi/Volkswagen/Skoda/Seat. It's a shame they bouht Bentley and Lamborghini. I don't care about Bugatti :p what the????

[Rob]

I hate Opels and esspecialy the Kadett that must be the worst car ever made, I would rather take a walk than driving a kadett

[LEGALLYINSANE]

Originally posted by Lagonda
Everything Audi/Volkswagen/Skoda/Seat. It's a shame they bouht Bentley and Lamborghini. I don't care about Bugatti :p Can you give us a reason why you hate these cars? Especially Audi?.

[Lagonda]

Originally posted by LEGALLYINSANE
Can you give us a reason why you hate these cars? Especially Audi?.

Well for Audi: I owned two Audis (An Audi V8 (the first V8 audis) and a Audi 100 2.5 TDI) an they both sucked. And the current audis are ugly and uncomfortable.

I hate VAG just as a company, the way they work how they manage their cars. They make 5x the same car but with a different look. I'm also glad the Piëch era is over.

[henk4]

BMW X5

[crisis]

Originally posted by henk4
BMW X5
Conceptually I agree. Looks great though.

[Batmobile_Turbo]

i hate the ford cars espesially the tempo we own a tempo and my dad hates it with a passion. (it's all we can afford at the time)

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Originally posted by Lagonda
Everything Audi/Volkswagen/Skoda/Seat. It's a shame they bouht Bentley and Lamborghini. I don't care about Bugatti

i love volkswagen, especially the old ones. all the audis are a little boring looking (exept the TT.) VAG should have left the bently engines alone and not have cancelled the lamborghini cala but otherwise VAG makes quality cars

[henk4]

Originally posted by crisis
Conceptually I agree. Looks great though.

Looks ugly as sinn, generally owned by the most intimidating, selfish, ruthless sort of BMW drivers.

[Falcon500]

i personaly hate the new minis and beetles big bulbus things they are compared to the origonals they look like shit and they are so far removed from the origonal concept of a cheap affordable no frills car

[SL500]

Originally posted by Batmobile_Turbo
i hate the ford cars espesially the tempo we own a tempo and my dad hates it with a passion. (it's all we can afford at the time)

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Originally posted by Lagonda
Everything Audi/Volkswagen/Skoda/Seat. It's a shame they bouht Bentley and Lamborghini. I don't care about Bugatti

i love volkswagen, especially the old ones. all the audis are a little boring looking (exept the TT.) VAG should have left the bently engines alone and not have cancelled the lamborghini cala but otherwise VAG makes quality cars
i think ford biuld great cars,ford GT,MUSTANG(olds and new GT concept) really great cars.....

[SL500]

Originally posted by Falcon500
i personaly hate the new minis and beetles big bulbus things they are compared to the origonals they look like shit and they are so far removed from the origonal concept of a cheap affordable no frills car
new beetle has a great design and style

[Falcon500]

Originally posted by SL500
new beetle has a great design and style

well im not going to argue with you if think it the bees kness thats your own opinion i just dont like it because they are so far removed from the origonal concepts of the cars which helped motivate the general poluace for many years with ultra plush retro and exorbantly priced cars which they are ripping off with these classic names

[Batmobile_Turbo]

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i think ford biuld great cars,ford GT,MUSTANG(olds and new GT concept) really great cars.....[I][B]

i don't hate the GT40 and the new GT, and mustangs but there mid 90's and late 80's cars wre crappy. like the tempo and the escort.

[LEGALLYINSANE]

Originally posted by Lagonda
Well for Audi: I owned two Audis (An Audi V8 (the first V8 audis) and a Audi 100 2.5 TDI) an they both sucked. And the current audis are ugly and uncomfortable.

I hate VAG just as a company, the way they work how they manage their cars. They make 5x the same car but with a different look. I'm also glad the Piëch era is over.

Why did they suck? I'm thinking about buying one.

[crisis]

Originally posted by Falcon500
well im not going to argue with you if think it the bees kness thats your own opinion i just dont like it because they are so far removed from the origonal concepts of the cars which helped motivate the general poluace for many years with ultra plush retro and exorbantly priced cars which they are ripping off with these classic names
I concur. Retro shit that will be forgotten in 5 years. Resale value $0. The original beetle was a peice of crap too but at least the design was from its own time. Not a cynical attempt to recreate interest. For the money buy a Sylvia.Even a second hand one now they dont make them anymore.

[SL500]

Originally posted by crisis
I concur. Retro shit that will be forgotten in 5 years. Resale value $0. The original beetle was a peice of crap too but at least the design was from its own time. Not a cynical attempt to recreate interest. For the money buy a Sylvia.Even a second hand one now they dont make them anymore.
Sylvia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
buLL shit

[Falcon500]

there isnt anything wrong with a sylvia as far as small sporty little things go their great and ill have to agree with srisis ill pick one over a new beetle or mini anyday

[crisis]

Originally posted by SL500
Sylvia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
buLL shit
Drive one!

[crisis]

Originally posted by Falcon500
there isnt anything wrong with a sylvia as far as small sporty little things go their great and ill have to agree with srisis ill pick one over a new beetle or mini anyday
I dont care who buys these things (beetles and Minis) but I would imagine the decision is part nostalgia. No problem, but I would prefer to buy something thats design is not hampered by the neccesity to pay homage to some old design. Espescially designs that were originally intended as no more than cheap basic transport.

[SL500]

Originally posted by crisis
Drive one!
hehe
i hate that car,i forgot to say that

[Misho]

how can a rational human being hate the X5 ?? although i dont like BMWs in general (I am a big Benz fan), I still think that the X5 is the best SUV money can get, especially in the looks department. and i think we know that no one buys these things to offroad in them.


as for cars i hate, if anyone here knows Dacia, that gotta be the worst car company around this part of the universe !!!!

[SL500]

Originally posted by Misho
(I am a big Benz fan)
:rolleyes:

[GeaKana]

Originally posted by Misho
as for cars i hate, if anyone here knows Dacia, that gotta be the worst car company around this part of the universe !!!! [/B]
LOL just look where I'm from:
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[crisis]

Originally posted by SL500
hehe
i hate that car,i forgot to say that
I got the message. Its sometime hard to know if people are talking about a cars looks or its performance. Looks are subjective. Then of course we have the aficionados of one particular marque who cannot be reasoned with.

[Misho]

Originally posted by GeaKana
LOL just look where I'm from:
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No offence man, but Dacia cars are unbeleivably bad !!

[GeaKana]

Who said they were good?
Btw....how come u've even heard of Dacia:confused:

[Misho]

Originally posted by GeaKana
Who said they were good?
Btw....how come u've even heard of Dacia:confused:

Ive been to many places around the world.

[Egg Nog]

Hummer H2. I hate it.

[56Oval]

The original beetle was a peice of crap too but at least the design was from its own time

the old beetle?? why?

unless it's an appearance issue. which is a matter of preference.

they are reliable cars.

You can kill ricers comparitively cheap, and muscle for a bit more. you can take em offroading (strong front end). they won't freeze over in winter, they won't overheat and blow a sh!tload of steam.
they are cheap to fix, easy to fix.
and you can treat em like crap and they still run for you.

[crisis]

In 1940 the beetle would have been a decent car. It is unsafe, a problem only avoided by the fact that they have no power. They appeal only because of their appearance to those who find that kind of thing attractive. A bike is reliable. And they do overheat. Having said that I admit they perfom their function adequately. Thats if you require an adequate car.

[more-boost1555]

It's ugly as hell and overweight, lol, it looks like it's overweight too. I just hate them cause everyone loves them now and thinks they're so f'ing great. They look like a bloated Audi TT, I can't believe anyone would think they look nice, they disgust me.

[crisis]

Originally posted by more-boost1555
It's ugly as hell and overweight, lol, it looks like it's overweight too. I just hate them cause everyone loves them now and thinks they're so f'ing great. They look like a bloated Audi TT, I can't believe anyone would think they look nice, they disgust me.
It wouldnt be because they are not turbo'd? You know a car doesnt have to be turbo charged to be any good. Gran Turismo has a lot to answer for. I must admit you technical analysis " I just hate them cause everyone loves them" and "they disgust me" give a little insight to what we a dealing with here. Unfortunately your not alone on this site.

[more-boost1555]

Don't put me in with those GT retards just cause I don't like the Z. When did I say it sucked cause it's not turbo charged? It sucks cause it's an ugly, overweight, overpriced, and generally overrated car that rips off and ruins the basic beautifull shape of an Audi TT.

For roughly the same money you could have many a better car. Mitso Evo, WRX STI, S2000, Audi TT, or for a little more a nice SVT Cobra Mustang.

That is why I hate The 350 Z.

[Falcon500]

The 350 Z isnt a bad car and crisis knows how much it takes for me to say thats about a "buzz box" Its not a bad car it preforms quite nicely not devistaingly fast but its definetly quicker then other cars like it and it hadels very well and still will reliably get you around on a modest fuel bill.

[monstaman101]

Cars that i find ugly are most australian fords except ba's(they are on a winner with that one) And these concepts didnt make it for good reason Chrysler Plymoth slingshot, Isuzu nagisa, Ogle bug. But one car i think is awesome in design and power is the almost organic looking Sbarro Alcador.

[Batmobile_Turbo]

It's ugly as hell and overweight, lol, it looks like it's overweight too. I just hate them cause everyone loves them now and thinks they're so f'ing great. They look like a bloated Audi TT, I can't believe anyone would think they look nice, they disgust me.

i like the 350 Z. i agree with it looking a bit overweight (it's really just front end stubbiness) but it handles good. it wouldn't be my first choice, and i think you could get much cooler cars for the money youd spend for it (corvette, svt mustang, bmw z4) but it's not as horrible as youre saying it is.

[sandwich]

i despise the audi tt and the new z4.

What were they thinking?

Audi: Let's take a beetle....and squish it! YEAH!

BMW: Let's see if we can take as many strong lines as possible...and make them go EVERYWHERE! Who cares if it looks good or smooth, we'll just integrate the headlights and everybody will think it's rad!
:rolleyes:

honestly people, what is with this trend? Where did the smooth lines of the rx7 gen 3 and the z3 go? All i see now is sharp lines (too sharp). I like bulging fenders and smooth sloping hoods and rooves. :confused:

[Prowl]

Audi TT
New Beetle
Bugatti Veyron
Audi Le mans Concept

WHAT IS WITH THE BUBBLES???

[NoOne]

Not sure if there is a euro version, but in Canada and the U.S. G.M. make probably the ugliest vehicle ever ... the Pontiac Aztec/ Buick Rendezvous.

I don't hate them for any reason other than they are hideous, I've heard them referred to as vagina cars - ugly as sin on the outside , but real nice once you get in ;)

[Misho]

Originally posted by Prowl
Audi TT
New Beetle
Bugatti Veyron
Audi Le mans Concept


one thing is for sure, not many people agree with you !!

[henk4]

Originally posted by Misho
one thing is for sure, not many people agree with you !!

I can very much imagine why people put the Beetle and the TT high on the list. I don't think he hates the Veyron because of its obvious poor straight line stability, and the Audi Le Mans is too fresh to be hated.

[Prowl]

*stupid* i guess i din't mean to say hated the cars, i just hate the way they are shaped. the veyron doesn't look like it should top 250 to me.

[Misho]

Originally posted by NoOne
Not sure if there is a euro version, but in Canada and the U.S. G.M. make probably the ugliest vehicle ever ... the Pontiac Aztec/ Buick Rendezvous.


i totally forgot about that UGLY car !! although i find that the Buick iteration is much better than the piece of crap Aztek. Some people even buy it in yellow !!

[megotmea7]

Originally posted by more-boost1555
Don't put me in with those GT retards just cause I don't like the Z. When did I say it sucked cause it's not turbo charged? It sucks cause it's an ugly, overweight, overpriced, and generally overrated car that rips off and ruins the basic beautifull shape of an Audi TT.

For roughly the same money you could have many a better car. Mitso Evo, WRX STI, S2000, Audi TT, or for a little more a nice SVT Cobra Mustang.

That is why I hate The 350 Z.

how could you prefer the s2000 or audi TT over a 350z, im no fan of its overall shape(g35 looks way better IOM) but a peaky poor performing s2000 or overpriced underpowered TT? even if you dont like the looks common...

[SL500]

Originally posted by megotmea7
how could you prefer the s2000 or audi TT over a 350z, im no fan of its overall shape(g35 looks way better IOM) but a peaky poor performing s2000 or overpriced underpowered TT? even if you dont like the looks common...
i hate the 350Z too,and G35
the S2000(too much)-!-S2000 really SUX

[Batmobile_Turbo]

Not sure if there is a euro version, but in Canada and the U.S. G.M. make probably the ugliest vehicle ever ... the Pontiac Aztec/ Buick Rendezvous.

the aztek is probably the UGLIEST cars in the world. but i like the renezvous.

[NoOne]

Damn, must be me ...I thought the Aztek and Rendezvous were equally ugly, just maybe in a different way. If I could stand to look at the Buick more closely ..... maybe it is more than just an Aztek with cheap chrome accents. :confused:

[more-boost1555]

I mean, I'm no big fan of it either don't get me wrong. But I'd sure as hell rather have it than a P.O.S. 350Z. It looks better, weighs less, probably handles and brakes better (although I have no proof of this, it's just an assumption, I could be wrong. Please tell me if I am!), and is in my opinion just a nicer car. I don't get why all you guys whine about it being too peaky. You sound like a bunch of old men, oh it's too hard to drive around in town everyday. Or it's power band is too narrow. Give me a ****ing break! It's a sports car! It has a four banger so obviously it's gonna need to rev high to make power. But that's why it's so light and handles and brakes well. It's steering is hella sharp too, and surgically precise.

So please quit your bitching, just get a damn six speed in that thing and start rowing those gears. If you ask me driving an engine that revs upwards of 9000 rpms would be a thrill! It's like an F1 engine.

But really it all comes down to aesthetics, I hate the 350Z just that much.

And don't diss the TT either, it may not be the fastest car, but it looks a hell of a lot better than a Z. It has an excuse for it's weight too with all wheel drive, and it's fit and finish is miles beyond most cars.

[megotmea7]

this may be way too out there with this and a bit biased but a FD weighs about the same, has more power (260/280 depending on year), has a wider powerband, is more modifiable, has a 8000rpm redline, and IMO handles better or at least on par in most peoples terms with a s2000, however well it handles there is still a better car on the market than it if your about performance and 240 peaky close to redline hp is not my definition of fun, i actually enjoy in-gear acceleration more than the joy of shifting and knowing i have 6 gears to choose from(and having to use every one of them...) and if i sound like an old man i apoligize:)

[more-boost1555]

You have the right to dislike the S2000 just like I can dislike the 350Z. There is no way a front drive car will ever handle as well as a rear driver though, especially when you're talking about pushing all of it's 280 hp to the limit. A rear driver will always out accelerate a front driver whether it be out of a corner or in a drag as long as they are both of the same approximate weight and power.

As for the S2000, like I said I'm not a huge fan of it either. I think it's a nice car and all, but there are much better performers available for the money. Same case with the 350Z, although I don't think it's a nice car as I'm sure you've figured out by now.

If I was looking for a sports car in the same general price range as these two, I would just splurge a little and get an SVT Cobra.

[megotmea7]

fwd? what are you talking about? im talking about an FD: a 3rd gen RX-7 which is rwd and outperforms a s2000 on just about every catagory bar mabe ride comfort and gas economy, but i know what your saying, a ford? *ick*:p

[more-boost1555]

Yeah, I've never heard an RX-7 called that before. I just assumed you meant front drive and were talking about Maximas or some such crap. My bad, assuming is a stupid thing to do.

[sandwich]

maximas are rwd....far as i know...

[more-boost1555]

they really ought to be, having as much power as they do. However they are front wheel drive cars.

[BoondockSaint]

Ugliness:
Pontiac Aztec
New Beatle
and any of those new crappy gas electic hybrids. You can always tell them as soon as you see them, they are the ugliest cars on the road. It's like the people who drive them are trying to make some sort of a status symbol. "Hey look, I drive an ugly piece of crap that's good for the environment....I'm better than you" I'm all for bettering the environment, but do they have to make them ugly?

Principle:
H2
it's not a hummer....it's a piece of s@#t. I got an idea, let's take the hummer body style, F*%k it up, put it on a Tahoe chasie and call it a hummer......morons

forgot to add, the PT Cruiser. Not bad looks, but nothing under the hood.....gutless, worthless

[henk4]

Originally posted by BoondockSaint

forgot to add, the PT Cruiser. Not bad looks, but nothing under the hood.....gutless, worthless

In Europe we can get the PTC with a 2.2 litre Mercedes Common Rail Diesel engine. If you are looking for torque, then that is certainly under the hood, and by changing the engine management a little bit can be increased by another 25% (an you are still just sipping fuel)

I agree 100% with you about the Hummer. There are fortunately too few around here to really hate them.

[BoondockSaint]

Originally posted by henk4
In Europe we can get the PTC with a 2.2 litre Mercedes Common Rail Diesel engine. If you are looking for torque, then that is certainly under the hood, and by changing the engine management a little bit can be increased by another 25% (an you are still just sipping fuel)

I still hate it. Even if there was a way to drop a viper v10 into it, it just frustrated me too much when I drove it to ever like it.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by BoondockSaint
I still hate it. Even if there was a way to drop a viper v10 into it, it just frustrated me too much when I drove it to ever like it.

One of the best modern examples of a good concept stuffed up by the bean-counters.
Turbo or Supercharged it would never be a car you would actually want to drive!

[BoondockSaint]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
One of the best modern examples of a good concept stuffed up by the bean-counters.
Turbo or Supercharged it would never be a car you would actually want to drive!

agreed.

[henk4]

Originally posted by BoondockSaint

forgot to add, the PT Cruiser. Not bad looks, but nothing under the hood.....gutless, worthless

I thought you had only problems with the engine, but obviously there is more. My wife likes the car, should be a warning to all of you.

[BoondockSaint]

Originally posted by henk4
I thought you had only problems with the engine, but obviously there is more. My wife likes the car, should be a warning to all of you.

I loved it when it first came out. I thought it had a cool kind of retor feel to it, and I love classic car. But when I drove it, I got so pissed off about not being able to friggen accelerate to 75 mph (highway speeds here) that I starte to hate it.

[megotmea7]

the PT cruiser is nothing but a gussied up dadge caravan(theur flagship minivan) if you want the power and feeling of a minivan with "hip"(read overdone) styling the PT is the car for you

[NoOne]

A PT cruiser wouldn't be a bad choice..... if you compare it to the right competition. I would take one over the Aztec/Rendezvous just on looks alone, and from what I hear the PT turbo moves out OK, wonder if there is an SRT version in the making? :cool:

Besides my wife is just about ready to trade in the Windstar minivan :D .... but I got her pretty much decided on the Acura MDX.

[NoOne]

CRAP !!!! .....I must be getting old ....talking 'bout minivans and the like:(

[DwZX35]

Uhhhh, land rovers pretty much in general, but the redisigned disco is coming out in a while, and its OK. Bently Continental GT: Its a Great lookin car, but with a VW engine, i hate VW, except the W-12 which they should not have stopped making (dont hate me for that).
Mustang GT and base: the perfect car for a person who know absolutely nothing about cars or just thinks he looks cool
Chevy SSR: Ugly, overweight, and overpriced.
Chevy Tracker: crude small SUV, from Geo, you know chevy, they stopped making Geo for a reason!
Those extremely inexpensive hybrid 40 hp econo cars, including hybrids (!!!)
Corvette (base only): Great lookin, but over rated?
Smart in general

[360evolution]

I hate the Lamborghini Gallardo (or Gay-ardo, as it is pronounced). What were they thinking? Now we know not to mix Audi and Lamborghini!

Ok, sorry to use such heavy personification, but here goes: Lamborghini's logo is the bull - fierce, aggressive, untamed, just like most of their cars (Miura, Countach, Diablo) - and the company had been following Ferrucio's dream until the Murcielago. To me, it just screams, "PET ME! PAMPER ME!", whereas the diablo merely grunts and snaps at me when i go near it. Yes the Murcielago is beautiful car, but no, it shouldnt be a Lamborghini.

Moving on.. the Gallardo. When I first saw this car I said, "Some disgusting Murcie modification eh.." then I saw the back and thought that someone in VW had gotten high and randomly edited a Murcielago. Once again, a soft edged, tame little car. The front is too much like a damn Murcielago! No aggressive air intakes, no aggressive lines, juust a big fat blob. Then the rear.. thinking about it makes me shudder. All these plastics just thrown onto the back and topped with a Lamborghini logo. The back ruins this cars last chance of ever being on my good side.

I like the Murcielago yet I dont think it should be a Lamborghini. I hate the Gallardo and think the same - not a Lamborghini.

[NAZCA C2]

The following cars should all be rounded up and burned to the ground.

Hummer H2
Porsche Cayenne
Vector M12
Chevrolet SSR
All those super high performance Civics that have those big rear spoilers and coffee can mufflers

[f1rules]

What, no body hates the Fiat Multipla, with its, eyes and third person in front, only a McLaren F1 can have that, it is the only worthy car:eek:

[360evolution]

Originally posted by f1rules
What, no body hates the Fiat Multipla, with its, eyes and third person in front, only a McLaren F1 can have that, it is the only worthy car:eek:

"hello!!! WELCOME TO THE CHESS CLUB.. IM NOT A NERD... i just need friends :( "
http://www.jersey.co.uk/falles/images/fiatmultipla.jpg

[Misho]

oh yeah, thats another piece of crap. is it functional though ?? ive never seen it in reality b4, we dont get this kind of crap here !! we have our own crap cars !!

[360evolution]

No idea, but if you can imagine a Ford Neon with a smart car ontop of it, this is the car you'll be thinking of. ;)

[crisis]

I tried not to be drawn into this discussion but what the hell. I hate front wheel drives, diesels, hatches, softroaders, French, Italian (excluding Furries, Lambos, Masers), British (excluding Astons, TVRs, Rollers, Daims, Bentleys, some Jags). Most makers are guilty.

[sandwich]

holy crap that's the ugliest thing ever

[SL500]

Originally posted by crisis
I tried not to be drawn into this discussion but what the hell. I hate front wheel drives, diesels, hatches, softroaders, French, Italian (excluding Furries, Lambos, Masers), British (excluding Astons, TVRs, Rollers, Daims, Bentleys, some Jags). Most makers are guilty.
Even Mercedes?:(

[mechanixfetch]

Personally I think the Toyota Echo, Honda Insight, PT Cruiser, Prowler and Pontiac Aztec are the ugliest cars to defile our streets

[crisis]

Originally posted by SL500
Even Mercedes?:(
If you mean guilty, the M class gets a mention. And Im sure they make diesels.

[SL500]

Originally posted by crisis
If you mean guilty, the M class gets a mention. And Im sure they make diesels.
erm,you hate all Mercedes?or only M-Class?

[LEGALLYINSANE]

I hate the shit boxes Daewoo puts out.

[crisis]

Originally posted by SL500
erm,you hate all Mercedes?or only M-Class?
Hate is too strong a word for any of this. I dont really hate any of them but I find soft roaders like the M class useless. I dont hate Mercedes either although with a few exeptions I find them a little boring style wise.

[Batmobile_Turbo]

the dodge neon

[megotmea7]

whoever said the echo i agree, whenever i see one take a corner i think its going to flip:p

[Falcon500]

I agree with the echo staement their also the refuge of little bitch boys who want somthing cheap to rice up there are heaps going around with crappy alloy wings mounted on the roof super low ground effects and neon lights.

[crisis]

They are the epitome of a girls car.

[Falcon500]

Very true crisis. They arnt to bad a cars they do exactly what they were supposed to do but when boys drive them and make them look and sound "tough" in their own words it just makes it very hard not to laugh.

[NoOne]

Anyone ever drive an Echo?
I did once .... a ton of headroom, shit for legroom and I still don't understand the put the dash in the middle concept. You think they look like they would tip over in a corner, man you gotta feel it !!

[henk4]

Originally posted by NoOne
Anyone ever drive an Echo?
I did once .... a ton of headroom, shit for legroom and I still don't understand the put the dash in the middle concept. You think they look like they would tip over in a corner, man you gotta feel it !!

What is an Echo?? From what I read we should be lucky that we do not get everything over here, but we may have under another name, but I don't know which

[NoOne]

An Echo is a Toyota ..... about the same size as a Corolla, but not half as nice

[henk4]

is that what we call Yaris over here? The car that actually won the car of the year award?

[NoOne]

Exterior ..... looks like a rat chasing you down the highway, low upfront and high in the back ... the roofline is incrdibly tall

[NoOne]

interior

[NoOne]

iterior 2

[NoOne]

I'm not sure what its called over there, as far as car of the year .... well stranger things have happened:D

[NoOne]

BRB....gotta delete this crap of my 'puter :D :D :D

[NoOne]

Does anyone understand the point of placing the dash in the middle of the car .... I can understand doing it in a McLaren ...but this I don't get

[Falcon500]

Yeah hats of to NoOne (what an odd staement) those descriptions you made could hardly be improved on good work:cool:
And as for stranger thing happening the Leyland P76 won car of the year award here and it was later renamed austrlais worst car and the holden camira got the same award to later be called australia 2nd worst car.

[henk4]

Yeah, the first part of the car is the Yaris, but that ends in a hatchback. I have seen pictures of the Echo before and I think it was decided by toyota not to put it on the European market.
In Holland there is a special racing series called the Yaris-cup, for beginners and indeed these cars roll easily.

As for the central dash, check the location of the tacho and speedometer of the 1964 Ferrari 250 Lusso.

It has also to do with the fact that some countries still have traffic on the wrong side of the road.

[SL500]

64 250 GT Lusso
:Di haven't the speedometer pic

[henk4]

Well if you know your classics you don't need a picture of the Lusso's interior do you?

[crisis]

Putting the dash in the centre would probably make it cheaper to build in left and right hand drive so that they could inflict it on as many poor people as possible and compete with the equally appalling Korean shit. The JE Camira ( the last of the Camiras)was actually quite quick for what it was. I was unfortunate enough to own a wagon as a second car and was surprised at how quick it was. It actually had the same motor that powered the 4 cylinder Calibra although thats hardly a recommendation. I refuse to defend it any more than this though.

[Falcon500]

Well as you probly well know crisis its is also the same engine that powers the dawoo which i found a bit of a slug (it picked up faster then my datsun but im under the impression they would of topped out near enough to eachother) And they also have that same button thing for reverse on them which was "differnt"
I was thinking you were going to bag out the P76 which wasnt really a bad car once its quality sissues were sorted out (and most were sorted out under warrenty before the company curled up and died) and the only other downside was they were quite ugly.
And i also would of though you would of picked up on the 3rd worse car also the XL falcon for all its suspension problems which wernt redesinged for australias conditions so they kept breaking down.

[crisis]

I didnt realise the Camiras engine was in a Daewoo. I dont have much interest in them. I suppose I was surprised by the Camira. I dont mean to imply it was quick, just quicker than I expected it to be. The Leyland alloy V8 was apparently quite good. I read once the problems that Leyland Australia had in producing the P76 but forget the details. It was quite ambitious and they didnt really deserve to fail. The design polarises people but was probably an indication of how difficult is was for a British car company to interpret Australian large car design.

[Falcon500]

well camiras are faster then you think and also the dawoos do good in that strange power to weight class in the procar series.
The engine was fine just like the rover v8 but streched out too 4.4 liters it soon became repcos preferd engine over the holden engineit was cos t cutting and interior woes mostly that killed the p76 and it was a little funny looking

[crisis]

Ive seen worse. Looking at that picture its reminds me of Dodge/Chryslers.

[BiTurbo]

Gee - the CAR(s) I HATE MOST
Volvo's? - not really, just hate the people who drive them - no I'm kidding ;)
But Volvo's ARE UGLY.
I can't understand why a company would persist with such a bloody brick of a design and then suddenly wake up and realise that they'd better make some changes. duh!
Now I now I've read in here somewhere that when you post an opinion - it is 'YOUR OPINION' - but I guess I'll still get screamed down for the following - I HATE 911's for the same reason I HATE VOLVO's.
In my opinion the 911 is an UGLY CAR and the only reason people bought them was because it wasn't a VW, even though they were built by the same person.
A RWD, rear engine was always a good idea - but early 911's were no better than VW's. Later model 911's persisted with the ugly bug-eyes because it was cheaper to reuse the existing dies to stamp out the panels and the cars sold (they were still ugly!). All of a sudden Ferdinand has decided that to keep selling them he should adopt Volvo's idea and make them look better.

This is great - I feel much better now :D

The mags make this Volvo :rolleyes:

[BiTurbo]

This is great - I also hate this thing - a Brumby. My Dad had one in the 80's wouldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding!

[BiTurbo]

Can you get chucked off this site for too many posts?
I hate the WRX too.........
This is a 2003 car?
You gotta be kidding.:confused:

[BiTurbo]

I promise this is the last one.:)
This is an UGLY CAR

[Falcon500]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
This is great - I also hate this thing - a Brumby. My Dad had one in the 80's wouldn't pull the skin of a rice pudding!
Well pitty that i actually quite like them they are also water proof and some people here are dropping WRX motors in them with great results.

[street racer 8]

saab the only one that dosent suk is the aero

[DasModell]

Plymouth Superbird 426 Hemi

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by Falcon500
Well pitty that i actually quite like them they are also water proof and some people here are dropping WRX motors in them with great results.
Wouldn't that put them in a different class - in every meaning of the word?:)

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by DasModell
Plymouth Superbird 426 Hemi
Why?.........
Never seen one in the flesh, but they're considered a muscle car?

[gtface]

Originally posted by DwZX35
Corvette (base only): Great lookin, but over rated?


no friggin way. if anything it is underrated. for the price it cant be beat.

[gtface]

I HATE CIVICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially the suped up bullshit i see driving around my neighboorhood all the time.

[DasModell]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
Why?.........
Never seen one in the flesh, but they're considered a muscle car?
so what if it a muscle car(i don't like american muscle cars and the Plymouth tops it ).. it's butt ugly .. :)

[NoOne]

I guess the Superbird could be considered odd-looking , but butt-ugly ? I don't think so ....

[Falcon500]

I perosnly love the in your face attitude of the plymouth superbird it has charicter it has sould and it actualy done what it was built to do win races.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by gtface
I HATE CIVICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Especially the suped up bullshit i see driving around my neighboorhood all the time.
OH NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
don't start that - we'll have a rice war:D

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by DasModell
so what if it a muscle car(i don't like american muscle cars and the Plymouth tops it ).. it's butt ugly .. :)
Who's butt you been lookin' at?:D

[DwZX35]

Originally posted by gtface
no friggin way. if anything it is underrated. for the price it cant be beat.

But the fact that people compare it to vipers, god. and people think they are big shots when they own them, i knew a person that did, and he thought it went 200 becausde the speedo said it could, and that He would just have to take the Governor off....Governor...on...Corvette, what a dumbass!. (dies laughing)

[DwZX35]

Originally posted by NoOne
I guess the Superbird could be considered odd-looking , but butt-ugly ? I don't think so ....
Give it some open lights and it'd be the most hideous thing on the planet

[austy_gator]

i hate all the kias the sorento,spectra especially the rio who cares if its cheap who would wnat it?:confused:

[SL500]

Originally posted by austy_gator
i hate all the kias the sorento,spectra especially the rio who cares if its cheap who would wnat it?:confused:
Me 2,they are crap

who cares if its cheap who would wnat it?:confused: [/QUOTE]
No body

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by DwZX35
But the fact that people compare it to vipers, god. and people think they are big shots when they own them, i knew a person that did, and he thought it went 200 becausde the speedo said it could, and that He would just have to take the Governor off....Governor...on...Corvette, what a dumbass!. (dies laughing)

Hey 'DwZX' -
you driven either car (Viper or Vette)?

[DwZX35]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
Hey 'DwZX' -
you driven either car (Viper or Vette)?

no, I'm 14

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by DwZX35
no, I'm 14
Ah-HA!

[sandwich]

taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

(take on me)

taaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon
(take me on)

ah-ha....get it? somebody must remember the 80's

[NoOne]

Shame on you for even remembering such crap ....j/k :D

[Falcon500]

I rember a good part of the 80s and that just went "woosh" over my head :D

[NoOne]

"Take on me" was a song by the Scandinavian (I think) group A-ha. I don't understand its relevance to the thread, but I got a kick out of it all the same.:D

[Alfahollic]

Biggest S#!T box would have to be the 1968-74 BMW 2002.

[Alfahollic]

Have to agree also with "BiTurbo",

911's look like slugs sound even worse.

And those "gay boys" that drive around in their WRX's thinking theve got somthing. My lawn mower sounds better than they do.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by Alfahollic
Have to agree also with "BiTurbo",

911's look like slugs sound even worse.

And those "gay boys" that drive around in their WRX's thinking theve got somthing. My lawn mower sounds better than they do.

and I thought I was the only one. -

911 and WRX drivers ARE GAY!

[Madman]

Originally posted by Alfahollic
Biggest S#!T box would have to be the 1968-74 BMW 2002.

I share your love of Alfas. That we can agree on.

But, how can anybody call the BMW 2002 a "s***box"?
The 2002 was an icon that stood head and shoulders above the sea of mediocrity that was commonplace during it's era.
How did you arrive at your assessment of the 2002?

Madman of the People

[quackman]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
and I thought I was the only one. -

911 and WRX drivers ARE GAY!
what's wrong with gay?

[DwZX35]

PT cruiser, it sold awesome for the first...month, then people realized, it sucks

Quote: and I thought I was the only one. -

911 and WRX drivers ARE GAY!

dude, gay? come on. How old are you exactly? I'm fourteen and I don't use the term gay incorrectly, and I know I'm one of few who isnt homophobic,

[crisis]

Originally posted by quackman
what's wrong with gay?
Nothing if you dont mind some guy shoving his dick up your arse.

[Falcon500]

Bloody gay! Their a quear bunch they play leap frog and they forget to ****ing leap!
I dont dislike subes or 911s but im no great fan and i do agree most of the drivers either are gay or make their cars look/sound gay.

[quackman]

you 2 guys sound like you're in 6th grade, calling everything gay.
a car can't be gay! it's an inanimate object!

[Alfahollic]

I share your love of Alfas. That we can agree on.

But, how can anybody call the BMW 2002 a "s***box"?
The 2002 was an icon that stood head and shoulders above the sea of mediocrity that was commonplace during it's era.
How did you arrive at your assessment of the 2002?

Ok, let me correct my self, the BMW 2002 wasn't the "s***box" obviously, hence the WRX, :D hehe. But im not sure how you can say it was head and shoulders above the rest....

BMW 2002
1966 to 1972
Type Inline, water-cooled 4-cylinder
Displacement (cc) 1990
Valve Operation Single Overhead Cam (SOHC)
Carburetion 1 Solex 40 PDSI
Transmission 4-speed manual or 3-speed automatic
Brakes front/rear disc / drum
Horsepower 100 @ 5500
0-100 13+
Maximum Speed (kph/mph) 168 / 104

Lets compare this with the.

Alfa 1750 Berlina
YEAR OF PRODUCTION: 1967-1972
ENGINE: 4 cylinders in line
ENGINE CAPACITY: 1779 cc
(DOHC)
Carburetion 2
Transmission 5-speed manual
Brakes front/rear disc/disc
POWER OUTPUT: 118 bhp at 5500 rpm.
0-100km/h 10.2s
TOP SPEED: over 180 Km/hr

[Madman]

Very nice Alfa in the photo, but those awful whitewall tyres have to go!

Personally, I would probably choose the Alfa 1750 over the 2002. But, both cars were very good, in their own way. I certainly wouldn't say no to owning either one.

Madman of the People

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by DwZX35
PT cruiser, it sold awesome for the first...month, then people realized, it sucks

Quote: and I thought I was the only one. -

911 and WRX drivers ARE GAY!

dude, gay? come on. How old are you exactly? I'm fourteen and I don't use the term gay incorrectly, and I know I'm one of few who isnt homophobic,
Hey DUDE (you're how old?), I'm using the term correctly -
dudes (you're meaning) that own or drive 911's are sooooo gay and not car enthusiasts, if they weren't sooooo gay they would know that the 911 was just an attempt by Ferdinand to build a better VW and as such doesn't rate as a sports car -
and actually doesn't rate at all.
dude:)

[austinreed2]

why would u use a word like gay my brother is 11 and he doesnt even use the word gay and wrxs arent that bad!

[BiTurbo]

:mad:
geeezzus -

WE'RE NOT USING IT IN THE HOMOPHOBIC SENSE OF THE WORD!

It's being used to describe a car (the 911 in particular) and the owners of a car as being 'gay' - ie; just plain 'lame'.

:)

[Misho]

whats up with all that stupid gay talk ??
just put an end to it.

and i HATE the kia pride and the Oka. the last one is a russian sub-compact piece of crap.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by Misho
whats up with all that stupid gay talk ??
just put an end to it.

and i HATE the kia pride and the Oka. the last one is a russian sub-compact piece of crap.
CUT WHAT OUT???????????


Re: Oka -
one out of two ain't bad -
it's no sub-compact, but it is a piece of crap :)

[Alfahollic]

Very nice Alfa in the photo, but those awful whitewall tyres have to go!

Personally, I would probably choose the Alfa 1750 over the 2002. But, both cars were very good, in their own way. I certainly wouldn't say no to owning either one.

Yes I agree, the later 2002 models, "ti" I beleive, were much better.

[Falcon500]

Dont like alfas much they strike me as ugly and not particuarly fast.

[Alfahollic]

Dont like alfas much they strike me as ugly and not particuarly fast.

I would expect that from a Ford fan! Have you seen the Brera?

[Alfahollic]

Dont like alfas much they strike me as ugly and not particuarly fast.

I would expect that from a Ford fan! :D Have you seen the Brera?

[Alfahollic]

Dont ask me how that happened...

[Falcon500]

well i like the 1970-76 montreal and the 89-93 SZ Zagato but i woudlent own either of them and they still look a little weird which is funny the Zagato was considerd ugly by alfa purists but i think its their best looking model also have you ever heard of the ford GT falcon?

[Misho]

Originally posted by BiTurbo

it's no sub-compact, but it is a piece of crap :)


i assure that i wasnt talking about that Oka. the one i meant was an extremely small and ugly sub-compact thing that was just pitiful to look at. i beleive its still in ptoduction!

[felipe]

why do hate lamborghini cars? they are the most beutiful cars ever made,

I Hate the nissan altima

[Falcon500]

I dont know anyone who said they didnt like lamborginis but while im at it i think the murcialgo is a bucket and they are far from the most beautiful nice looking but not best.

[austy_gator]

i love lamborghinis how can u hate the murcieglo its awsome!! but i dont like the countach that much

[Falcon500]

Well the murcialgo how can you hate it? quite ****ing easily it doesnt strike me as a great car sure it gos fast but i dont like its styling i much rather the diablo. And how could you hate the countach? how many 20 year old super cars do you know that almost any chile could spot at a glance? and how many have the charicter it had either?

[NoOne]

I gotta agree with Falcon on this ..... the Countach is still what "I" recognize as the world's first super car. Some will agree, others will disagree.

I remember seeing a magazine article on this car and the caption in large bold print said something along the lines of "IF DARTH VADER DROVE A CAR, THIS WOULD BE IT".


If I remember correctly, the only competition this car had back in the late '70's or early '80's was the Ferrari 512 BB, which although very fast, did not seem quite as exotic or menacing as the Lambo, especially when it was fitted with both front and rear spoilers.

[NoOne]

and from the rear

[Falcon500]

In this country they are making kit cars of them using the 302 windsor.

[NoOne]

I like kitcars .... I just don't like bad kit cars, what I'm trying to say is '34 Ford coupe kit cars are cool, Cobra kit cars are way cool, Lambo body kits that "bolt" on Fieros etc. earn ZERO respect from me. Maybe its just the performance can't/doesn't live up to the perceived expectations. Anything that looks like a Lambo had better move with authority and not sound/perform like a Civic with a 5" fartcan.

:cool:

[BiTurbo]

One of Australia's Kit (Shit) Cars, the 'Purvis Eureka'
The photo doesn't do it justice - it's actually MUCH WORSE in the 'flesh'

[felipe]

when i say i hate murcielago? i love it i think is one of the best cars ever made. i was talking about an other guy that put that in this forum i dont remember his user but i think he is crasy, i repeat i think lamborghini murcielago is one of the best cars ever made before the ferrari enzo

[SL500]

Originally posted by felipe
when i say i hate murcielago? i love it i think is one of the best cars ever made. i was talking about an other guy that put that in this forum i dont remember his user but i think he is crasy, i repeat i think lamborghini murcielago is one of the best cars ever made before the ferrari enzo
yeah man
i agree,but first enzo then murc
i really like the murc

[white devil]

Murcielago is the best car for me if i could get one car in my life for free :p and never sell it and live with it it is going to be the murcielago and nothing else

and here is a good pic of it to see it as it realy looks

[white devil]

I could either go with the murcielago or the diablo

[Falcon500]

I liked the f50 i liked the f40 but that enzo is so ugly it isnt funny and ferraris are also reknown for always being serviced in a letter to car magazine a bloke bought one and in like 4 months he spent $5000 in getting the bastard srviced and it wasnt even an f40 or anything to flash i think it was a 360 (i think) whats the fun in owning the car if it has to spend half its life in a garage? Im assuming the (newer) lambos are the same i know a bloke who owned an espada and he never had a problem with it and after he forked out a small fortune (and learned a forign language) he bought the book so he could service it and restore it himself.
And the eurka kit cars arnt so bad the problem with them are the people lacking an all but the most basic mechanical know how trying to put them together.
and we have people import fieros with the idea of putting a lombo kit on them its really sad.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by Falcon500

in like 4 months he spent $5000 in getting the bastard srviced and it wasnt even an f40 or anything to flash i think it was a 360


I tell ya - Italians just don't build reliable cars - and no - I'm NOT joking.
They look great (most of them) they sound great and nowadays they're even fast.
But dealers just love selling them - for the service dollars and then to rip off the poor guys who bring them back to get rid of it 'at any cost'.

[Falcon500]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
I tell ya - Italians just don't build reliable cars - and no - I'm NOT joking.
They look great (most of them) they sound great and nowadays they're even fast.
But dealers just love selling them - for the service dollars and then to rip off the poor guys who bring them back to get rid of it 'at any cost'.
Well if you enjoy your automobile i guess you could put up with the high and long service schedules and they can build re3liable cars look at the fiat 500s and stuff. A lot of these high performance cars are on edge and need a fair bit of attention payed to them and when you pay that attnetion youll have a quick ride for a long time (as well as a considerbly lighter wallet) Which is why persoanlly I prefer american cars and australian cars pay a lot of attention to them (even if they dont need it) and youll have a car that will last you till the day you die and itll somthing that most people will think of fondly and actually be able to afford.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by Falcon500

and actually be able to afford.
That's the whole point - no one deserves to be stuck with service bills of $1,000's - just because the dealer and manufacturer can make a huge (dare I say fraudulent) profit.
I guarantee you that some even rely on service profits to realise a better % profit than they made on the sale.
:mad:

[Falcon500]

Well the ford T series flacons were a bit on the expenvie side with the srtoker windsor they had in them if you want a car like that you need to put the money into them. All new cars are a bit on the wallet that way but i guess if you have a ferrari or somthing similar the $1,000 serivce wouldent be all too much and as i said if your happy with the car be it a fait 500 a falcon 500 or an exotic peice from tony land (italy) or what ever if you like it your the winner.

[Venon]

I don't hate a car in particular....but...the Golf tdi is the worst for me...if it's gray....:o

[Batmobile_Turbo]

Originally posted by Venon
I don't hate a car in particular....but...the Golf tdi is the worst for me...if it's gray....:o

hey why do you hate the golf TDI?
or do you just think it's boring?

[Venon]

Originally posted by Batmobile_Turbo
hey why do you hate the golf TDI?
or do you just think it's boring?

i don't like diesel....and...yes...it's terribly boring!!


here in Rome about the 80% of Golf are TDI and Gray!!:o :o

[Flanker]

Originally posted by henk4
BMW X5


Whats wrong with the BMW x5 ... are you from all those american cars lovers ... american cars s*** and you are so blind in your pride so you just cant see it. With very few exeptions A . cars are big and ugly and lack all the elegance of italian cars or the durability of swedish or german cars none of it. BMW x5 is an exellent car.

[Falcon500]

Whats wrong with the X5 bloody hell where do you want to start?its a bloody soft roader for starters! Its a 4 wheel drive with practicly no off-roading capeabilitys.
Well american cars shit eh? and thats rich asking him if hes so blind with pride are you so blind with pride to see the american cars are well suited to their lifestyles? are you also so blind to see the X5 is an overrated expensive soft roader that costs a small fortune to replace even the smallest thing (from what i heard from a few owners who regret getting them)
And what are you doing queastioning his decision in an opinion based forum on what car you hate most? wanker

[henk4]

Originally posted by Flanker
Whats wrong with the BMW x5 ... are you from all those american cars lovers ... american cars s*** and you are so blind in your pride so you just cant see it. With very few exeptions A . cars are big and ugly and lack all the elegance of italian cars or the durability of swedish or german cars none of it. BMW x5 is an exellent car.

Falcon, also Flanker is entitled to an opinion, but I gave mine without any explanation (you may look at the comments on the X5 elsewhere on this, if they have not yet removed during the big cleaning-uo operation). No need to call him wanker therefore, although I see the poetry that you attempted.

The X5 was designed for the US market, and there it does not stand out as very big. On the other hand in Europe, and that is where I live, this car, together with the Benz and the Cayenne, to name a few others, is simply too large, it takes too much of the road, and the drivers behave as if they actually own the road. A tosser in an X5 is about the worst thing you can encounter while travelling.
Falcon is right when he mentions the lack of off-road capabilities of these monsters, but most of these will spend 100% of their time on paved roads anyway.

[Venon]

Originally posted by henk4
......is simply too large, it takes too much of the road, and the drivers behave as if they actually own the road....


this is why you hate x5??

so a limousine (for example..) is not a good car because is big and "dangerous"??


:confused: :confused:


mah!

[henk4]

Originally posted by Venon
this is why you hate x5??

so a limousine (for example..) is not a good car because is big and "dangerous"??


:confused: :confused:


mah!

Have you ever driven behind one? Could you see what was in front of it? At least a limousine you can see through. I can accept a delivery van and purposely built off-road vehicle such as the landcruiser, but not a show-off pseudo jeep that will never be used in rough terrain but more by mothers to bring their kids to school, because it is too dangerous for the kids to walk or ride a bike. (you see the praradox in this?)

The question was also what car do you hate, and not whether it is a good car or not.

(do you think that in an A110 you would be able to see the road in front of a SUV by looking underneath the car?)

[Falcon500]

Originally posted by henk4
Falcon, also Flanker is entitled to an opinion, but I gave mine without any explanation (you may look at the comments on the X5 elsewhere on this, if they have not yet removed during the big cleaning-uo operation). No need to call him wanker therefore, although I see the poetry that you attempted.
Falcon is right when he mentions the lack of off-road capabilities of these monsters, but most of these will spend 100% of their time on paved roads anyway.
Ok i was wrong to call him a wanker but i typed in my persoanl feelings on the car assuming you felt much the same way and you refering to it as attempted poetry must mean im not too far off.

[henk4]

Originally posted by Falcon500
Ok i was wrong to call him a wanker but i typed in my persoanl feelings on the car assuming you felt much the same way and you refering to it as attempted poetry must mean im not too far off.

No sweat, I just noticed that it was actually his first posting, no need to scare people off immediately.

[Venon]

Originally posted by henk4
Have you ever driven behind one? Could you see what was in front of it? At least a limousine you can see through. I can accept a delivery van and purposely built off-road vehicle such as the landcruiser, but not a show-off pseudo jeep that will never be used in rough terrain but more by mothers to bring their kids to school, because it is too dangerous for the kids to walk or ride a bike. (you see the praradox in this?)

The question was also what car do you hate, and not whether it is a good car or not.

(do you think that in an A110 you would be able to see the road in front of a SUV by looking underneath the car?)

ok...you're right...BUT....if I have a ferrari....and you have a BMW 3, I can't see anything....so...are you in a dangerous car????

[henk4]

Originally posted by Venon
ok...you're right...BUT....if I have a ferrari....and you have a BMW 3, I can't see anything....so...are you in a dangerous car????

Yes, all is relative, but I would not try to shove you off the road, which is commen practice with the SUV's.

Just noticed that you are looking forward to seeing part 3 of LoftR in December, isn't it?

[Venon]

Originally posted by henk4
Yes, all is relative, but I would not try to shove you off the road, which is commen practice with the SUV's.

Just noticed that you are looking forward to seeing part 3 of LoftR in December, isn't it?


yes...it's right!



me? nooooooooooooo!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D


http://www.tlotr.com/fan_art/theonering3_chris.jpg

[DiabloGTR]

SL 500 stop hating on japanese cars, they make cars that most of the public can afford, cars that are for the real world.
The car I hate the most is the Mini cooper, they should be outlawed!

[Venon]

Originally posted by DiabloGTR
The car I hate the most is the Mini cooper, they should be outlawed!


the new one??

[crisis]

Originally posted by DiabloGTR
SL 500 stop hating on japanese cars, they make cars that most of the public can afford, cars that are for the real world.
The car I hate the most is the Mini cooper, they should be outlawed!
Stop hating japanese cars! What the hell does that mean? You like em or you dont. You are of course addressing SL500 who has a Mercedes star up his arse. I concur with the new mini, or any mini for that matter. The new one is another BWM marketing cash in. Nice girls car.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by crisis
Stop hating japanese cars!

What's to like?
I remember a recent article on tthe BBC (poofs :)) about the old mini's and how thay would explode in an accident. With the fuel filler exposed, the cap and sometimes the fuel filler pipe would rip from the car and result in a pommy BBQ.

[Motorer1]

that is a Mini Cooper, which is british.

Also, I HATE THE PORSCHE CAYENNE!!!!

[Batmobile_Turbo]

Originally posted by Motorer1
that is a Mini Cooper, which is british.

Also, I HATE THE PORSCHE CAYENNE!!!!

why do you hate the porsche cayenne?

[Venon]

I like Cayenne! ^^

[Falcon500]

Well i dont like it and i cant really see anything to like about it. Just a bloated soft roader with a price tag to match.

[elmajul]

The worst cars i've ever seen are Hyundai Atos, and Opel corsa. The suck

[M Powered Ed]

orange-red The car i most hate has to beeeee...hmmm...the ferrari F50...JUST KIDDING...I HATE SMART CARS (especially the new roadster)

NOTE: I will personally track any person who hates any BMW except the new 5 series, the 3 compact, or any other car company BMW owns. (such as mini's...minis look cool but are dangerous, 1 bump with another car and you either disappear or all hell breaks loose in a fiery inferno:eek: )

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by M Powered Ed
orange-red The car i most hate has to beeeee...hmmm...the ferrari F50...JUST KIDDING...I HATE SMART CARS (especially the new roadster)

NOTE: I will personally track any person who hates any BMW except the new 5 series, the 3 compact, or any other car company BMW owns. (such as mini's...minis look cool but are dangerous, 1 bump with another car and you either disappear or all hell breaks loose in a fiery inferno:eek: )
Hey junior -
that's going to be a lot of tracking.

BTW what's wrong with the Smart roadster?.:p

[BiTurbo]

I HATE SAAB's

Come on - prove me wrong!. :p

[BiTurbo]

Duh -
forgot pic.

[megotmea7]

Originally posted by M Powered Ed
NOTE: I will personally track any person who hates any BMW except the new 5 series, the 3 compact, or any other car company BMW owns.
well i hate the 850, it looks like shit... and their POS SUV's...;)

[Falcon500]

I hardly like any BMWs not saying they dont turn out a good product just saying i think most of them look crap and are very expensive to find parts for.

[bum-man]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
Duh -
forgot pic.
you dont like their new sedans or the new 9-3? even the VIGGEN!? i agree with you that the old ones are ugly for the most part...
http://www.saabusa.com/main/US/en/image/photo_gallery/93S/93S_ext_16.jpg
http://www2.saabusa.com/92x/images/92xHiRes.jpg

[Falcon500]

Originally posted by bum-man
you dont like their new sedans or the new 9-3? even the VIGGEN!? i agree with you that the old ones are ugly for the most part...
Well thats a great improvemnt from their previous models but it still looks a little plain.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by bum-man
you dont like their new sedans or the new 9-3? even the VIGGEN!? i agree with you that the old ones are ugly for the most part...
Isn't that 2nd pic a WRX?
I can't anything new in the design -
they seem to been playing catchup, like Volvo, but they can't get in front of the leaders -
Audi, Merc, BMW(yuch) etc.

[bum-man]

no its the Saab 9-2x it will go up against the wrx i believe since it will be saabs first production vehical with 4wd. Most people didnt like the quarkyness of Saab (the wedge shaped hatchback), while some people did. this led to Saab having to change their car designs to a more generic look to draw in more buyers if they still wanted to be profitable.
http://www.fast-autos.net/saab/93viggen9.jpg

[BiTurbo]

"no its the Saab 9-2x it will go up against the wrx i believe since it will be saabs first production vehical with 4wd. Most people didnt like the quarkyness of Saab (the wedge shaped hatchback), while some people did. this led to Saab having to change their car designs to a more generic look to draw in more buyers if they still wanted to be profitable"
Yeah - like I said....
Volvo all over again, but without any money.

[kennyknoxville]

hummers that are driven by yuppies

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by kennyknoxville
hummers that are driven by yuppies
You sure??
:)

[henk4]

hummer drivers are obviously not very discriminative in selecting their rides

[-datsun 1600-]

I would have to agree a town driven hummer is so annoying imagine trying to drift,park or do multiple hard corners in one

[crisis]

Originally posted by -datsun 1600-
I would have to agree a town driven hummer is so annoying imagine trying to drift,park or do multiple hard corners in one
I think that would say more about the driver than the car.

[crisis]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
You sure??
:)
Just gos to show you can make anything look good if you try hard enough.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

Cars I hate:
Lincoln Navigator
Lexus LX470
Cadillac Escalade
Hummer H2
Are you sensing the pattern yet?????

Now before you go off at me for being a 4wd hating person, remember we used to own a Mitsubishi Pajero (what a funny name, if you speak spanish you'll know why) and we used it for going off road. As far as i can see all these cars have a purpose for is to appease rapper and redneck wannabes small, erm, egos.

at this time i must rush to the defense of my BMW. I believe they are just well engineered family cars, which someone has stuck a premium on because their german. Have you Noticed most german cars are considered Prestige??? why is this so? because of quality. Cadillacs used to be the world benchamrk, but they fell behind because they gave up on quality in the 70's. and because they have a niche market they cater for, America.

[crisis]

Yes. These are not really 4WDs in the sense of what 4x4s were originally intended ( in my opinion anyway). I have an 80 series Landcruiser for no other reason than I like to go camping and fishing in relatively remote places that are inaccesible by conventional vehichles. I drive a normal sedan on the roads because my Landcruiser is set up more for off road and as such is less suitable for day to day driving than the other car.

[RS6]

My hate list:

New Mini
Mazda MX-5
Nissan Sunny
Rover Streetwise
Chrysler Neon.

[-datsun 1600-]

pajero=masterbator

[Falcon500]

Believe what you will datsun1600 itactually means pampas cat wich is what the spanish call a bob cat or somthing similar. Thats just some pub story that got out of hand.

[SPHFerrari]

car i hate the most would have to be the Honda Element. all it is is a big box of sheetmetal with an engine. i think it is possibly the ugliest car on the roads today. also i hate any minivan.

[lfb666]

Adler - 1938
Alfa Romeo Caimano
AMC Pacer
Amphicar
Aston Martin Lagonda
Bizzarrini Kjara
Bizzarrini Manta
Bond Bug
Bugatti EB 112
Bugatti EB 118
Citroen C3
Citroen DS
Citroen SM - 1970
Edsel - 1958
Ferrari 306 GT Rainbow - 1976
Ferrari Mythos - 1989
Ford Ka
Isetta Bubble Car
Lamborghini Cheetah - 1977
Lamborghini Portofino - 1987
Land Rover Serie IIA - 1965
Lada
Maserati Boomerang - 1972
Matra M25
McLaren M6B GT - 1969
Pininfarina Nautilus
Pontiac Aztec
Ssangyong Musso
Sbarro Christelle - 2001
Subaru SVX
Vauxhall Tigra
Vector W8
Volvo 1800es
Yugo

[-datsun 1600-]

Believe what you will datsun1600 itactually means pampas cat wich is what the spanish call a bob cat or somthing similar. Thats just some pub story that got out of hand.


Im really sure it is because it said in Speed or maybe they are just lying

[-datsun 1600-]

http://www.ropesend.com/ropesend_translations/lost_tl/tl1004.html theres the website to tell you it is also i asked a spanish teacher and she gave me a detention

[NoOne]

LMFAO ... looks like he may be right. :D

[henk4]

Fiat also had some problems with names:
The name Croma was fought by the Dutch importer because there was already a brand of baking fat with that name. The importer lost, the car wasn't a success, but that has been the fate of all larger Fiats.
The name Ritmo had to be replaced by Strada in the UK market, as Ritmo is a brand name of condoms. (nice name for it isn't it :D )

[henk4]

Adler - 1938
Alfa Romeo Caimano
AMC Pacer
Amphicar
Aston Martin Lagonda
Bizzarrini Kjara
Bizzarrini Manta
Bond Bug
Bugatti EB 112
Bugatti EB 118
Citroen C3
Citroen DS
Citroen SM - 1970
Edsel - 1958
Ferrari 306 GT Rainbow - 1976
Ferrari Mythos - 1989
Ford Ka
Isetta Bubble Car
Lamborghini Cheetah - 1977
Lamborghini Portofino - 1987
Land Rover Serie IIA - 1965
Lada
Maserati Boomerang - 1972
Matra M25
McLaren M6B GT - 1969
Pininfarina Nautilus
Pontiac Aztec
Ssangyong Musso
Sbarro Christelle - 2001
Subaru SVX
Vauxhall Tigra
Vector W8
Volvo 1800es
Yugo

This list is too short. Didn't you forget:
The FSO Polonez
The Lada
The Volga 3108
The Zaporoshets
The Moskvitch
The Daewoo Nexia

[SL500]

The Lada
The Moskvitch
The Daewoo Nexia
Agreed....

[Misho]

i hate the Ramsis if anyone knows it !

[Falcon500]

Well ive got the owner of a mitsubishi dealer telling meother wise and ill still agree because i likemy job....also did i mention evo lancers are great cars and have a starting price of..... :D
Im thinking that the 666 lads list of hated cars really lacks in any individual thought he seems to hate any car that got a bad rap from jurnos. Like the Vector wigart turbo i appreciate the car because of what it is even though its production fell through it was still a good car. And much like the Edsel despite its indiffrent looks it was a good car it had the same build quality as any other car on the roads them days and it was a good compramise between mercuary and ford branded cars.

[Matra et Alpine]

Im thinking that the 666 lads list of hated cars really lacks in any individual thought he seems to hate any car that got a bad rap from jurnos.
As he has listed the Matra M25 I think he is more likely a troll trying to push buttons. Not many folks know about THAT beauty, so my suspicions are aroused :-)
MERRY CHRISTMAS

[Falcon500]

Well ive got to admit i have no idea about the car you just mentioned and the onlyinfo i can find on Matra automobiles (ones i quitepersonally like too) are the M530 and the bugheera and the mureena...there is the rancho but im ignoring that. But like hateing the ford ka whats the point? I dislike the car too but of course i dislike my Datsun sunny that was built for the same purpose And i dont hate it it just does nothing for me.

[eyebrows]

Now i Know some of the Aussies on this site are gonna hate me for this, but i hate GM Holden. they are the worst cars ever using gm old technology in new bodies. In other words it GM off cuts and the other motor company's in GM are only just better than its own off cuts. And yes i would rather push a ford then drive a holden... and to falcon 500 yes i've herd of th gt falcon its the Aussie Muscle car/ family car

[Falcon500]

Well the bodys are actually quite old allconsidering they share a lot in common with the 88 model VN. They arnt bad cars but i still much rathermy fords. Well the GTs are good cars and are a move in the right direction for ford. Where abouts are you from eyebrows?

[Matra et Alpine]

PLEASE NAME A FEW NAMES OF THE WORST cars to ever come onto the road!!!


Volvo - ANY and EVERY Volvo.

Only because as a bike rider they are THE most dangerous drivers on the road. Every biker in the UK has either been hit or had a near miss with a Volvo driver who didn't look. The brand 'safety image' seems to extend build a belief that they are SO safe they don't need to look before moving out.

It's a biker -thing. I can't think of ANY car that I 'hate'.

I'd drive anything if it was the only car I could have !!

[Falcon500]

I dont know about all volvos try this one a Hirondel super sport from 69

[Matra et Alpine]

I dont know about all volvos try this one a Hirondel super sport from 69
Reflecting my early TV years, the P1800S should ONLY be in white :-)

But put them on the road and the drivers in their flat caps or tweed coats are a menace !!!

[Falcon500]

Well volvo aus is trying to change thir image with the bloody volvo driver campagin showing people being a pain on the road and calling them bloody volvo drivers
heres a sticker i got from the local volvo dealer for the add.

[Matra et Alpine]

Well volvo aus is trying to change thir image with the bloody volvo driver campagin showing people being a pain on the road and calling them bloody volvo drivers
heres a sticker i got from the local volvo dealer for the add.

See that's the problem, they make being a pain in the arse in a Volvo be a virtue !!

The sticker should read learn the hughway code and keep your eyes open and THEN you can be a Volvo driver. More useful :-)

[Falcon500]

Maybey they should use a warning system like our Learners (using black and yellow plates) and P plates (using white and red plates) Im thinking a V plate in stand out fluro coulrs might be called for :D Me and my mate on our way back from job hunting handed over one of those stickers to an old couple in a 4x4 volvo of some decription and quickly disspared we thought it was funny :)

[eyebrows]

Well the bodys are actually quite old allconsidering they share a lot in common with the 88 model VN. They arnt bad cars but i still much rathermy fords. Well the GTs are good cars and are a move in the right direction for ford. Where abouts are you from eyebrows?

I'm australian, thats how i know bout the Falcon and yeh the new GT's are a step in the right direction unlike the AU falcon which was kinda a step backwards for ford but they seem too have bounced back with the Ba falcon.

[Falcon500]

It was agood step technology wise but to some peoples eyes it was as ugly as sin (its not too bad to me) But yeah their recovering with the BA and a v8 super car win really did help that.

[henk4]

Volvo - ANY and EVERY Volvo.

Only because as a bike rider they are THE most dangerous drivers on the road. Every biker in the UK has either been hit or had a near miss with a Volvo driver who didn't look. The brand 'safety image' seems to extend build a belief that they are SO safe they don't need to look before moving out.

It's a biker -thing. I can't think of ANY car that I 'hate'.

I'd drive anything if it was the only car I could have !!

That's a good point about bikers, and a very sound observation, particularly valid when these long nosed 244's came on the market. However, being a bike addict myself I can mention a few more brands that tend to neglect the existence of our lot, and you will not be surprised that they tend to come from Germany, driven by women or baseball capped juveniles. .

I do have a friend though who is much more capable bike rider but also a Volvo addict. How does that add up?

[NoOne]

I do have a friend though who is much more capable bike rider but also a Volvo addict. How does that add up?

There is always an exception to the rule, though I can't understand being a "Volvo addict", I personally find them to be very uninspiring. ;)

[henk4]

There is always an exception to the rule, though I can't understand being a "Volvo addict", I personally find them to be very uninspiring. ;)

In 1999 I had an S70 as a rental car in Canada, which I quite liked, as i could take the family and two full sized suitcase and the rest of the luggage. Some people are attracted by the Volvo appeal of solidity.

[Matra et Alpine]

That's a good point about bikers, and a very sound observation, particularly valid when these long nosed 244's came on the market. However, being a bike addict myself I can mention a few more brands that tend to neglect the existence of our lot, and you will not be surprised that they tend to come from Germany, driven by women or baseball capped juveniles. .

I do have a friend though who is much more capable bike rider but also a Volvo addict. How does that add up?

It's probably a national thing, Henk.
in the UK anyway they are a hazard.
Volvo struggle to get rid of the flat-cap and granny image.
Even having the rally 240s in the RAC didn't help - but they were good fun !!

[henk4]

Volvo struggle to get rid of the flat-cap and granny image.

I think over here the 850 more or less accomplished that, and the S40/V40 is a very popular junior rep mobile. You think the efforts in the BTTC with the 850 Estate were not helpful either?