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Gsi
08-13-2004, 03:41 AM
I have edited this post, as the pic is larger than 640x480. I have cropped the pic and attached it...

Thanks :)

whiteballz
08-13-2004, 05:27 AM
there are a few xj 13 (or something like that) replica/kitcars that lok like that...

Gsi
08-13-2004, 05:44 AM
Hi, I've had a search on XJ13s and they look similar in some ways, but different in others :confused: Did the kit cars look very different? this car has very pointed tops to the rear wings..


Pity it's not possible to make out the side or front badges...

Rob

Mustang
08-13-2004, 06:54 AM
dopesnt look like a jag with the v on the badge

Ferrari Tifosi
08-13-2004, 08:14 AM
It definitely isn't a Jag. XJ13 the front air scoops throw that off right away. Hmmm.. I wonder what this could be, maybe you could ask henk or Matra, if anyone will know, it'll most likely be them.

Wouter Melissen
08-13-2004, 08:37 AM
I'd say it's front engined for sure. There is no room for it to be mid-engined and it's no Porsche. Maybe it's an Elva of the sorts, or something else British.

Matra et Alpine
08-13-2004, 10:06 AM
Pretty sure it's not an Elva, the split openings on the front dont' seem right and I don't remember Elava with side exit ventes either.


But the swoop of the wing is VERY reminiscent the '60s cars from Turner et al.

But can't help and theat big V on the front I can't place :(

Concur it isnt' rear engine as no intakes and too low rear deck and nobody would put a tyre over the top of it :)

Problem is we coudl be looking at a modified car :(

Sorry can't help. I'll ask my 'expert' on kits, but it looks too well finished to be a kti :)

SlickHolden
08-13-2004, 10:43 AM
Looks a little like the mosler only old.

MnDriver
08-14-2004, 03:57 PM
you got me i have no clue i was thinking jag also but i think its a kitcar dunno what its spoused to be replicating

henk4
08-15-2004, 01:21 AM
the truck looks from California, so it probalby is a amercain special.

Matra et Alpine
08-15-2004, 03:23 AM
the truck looks from California, so it probalby is a amercain special.
I'd tried dong a search on the trucking company thinking the photo might have come from their web site but no luck :(

The nose has some similarities with 60s corvette to my eye ? Any race specials ever done ??

MrVette83
08-15-2004, 08:32 PM
I'd tried dong a search on the trucking company thinking the photo might have come from their web site but no luck :(

The nose has some similarities with 60s corvette to my eye ? Any race specials ever done ??

The only race specials for the Vette in the 60's(or early at least, which i think this would have come from) was the Grand Sport. 5 were built and they didn't look like this at all. Zora Duntov was still head of the Corvette program at the time in question and all concept cars or special cars he oversaw were hints at future model lines. I'll take a look through some books and website on Vettes to see for sure, but as far as I know this is not a Vette.

GrimaH
08-25-2004, 02:58 AM
Well, in my view it could be a forgotten 60's Le Mans competitor, but then it's just a guess.

SCWP1
09-02-2004, 12:44 AM
http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/elva/mk7005/mk7005pa.jpg

I think it may be an Elva MK 7. Cars like this sometimes have small incremental changes over their production runs.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/elva/mk7005/mk7005pp.htm

henk4
09-02-2004, 01:04 AM
http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/elva/mk7005/mk7005pa.jpg

I think it may be an Elva MK 7. Cars like this sometimes have small incremental changes over their production runs.

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/elva/mk7005/mk7005pp.htm

probably not because the mystery car appears to have a front engine

Grimezzz
09-06-2004, 11:29 AM
Although the mystery car does appear to have a front engine, look at the similarities in the hood with the lights, the airvents just above the front bumper, the curviture of the front wheel wells... the overall similarities of the front of the car... could it not be that it changed engine placement over the evolution of the car??

It might even be the Elva MK8... compare and contrast.

http://dega.cs.unc.edu/~nick/new/vir/68-apr/cab-6804/cab-16.jpg

Wouter Melissen
09-06-2004, 12:36 PM
The car on the truck doesn't have those scoops on top of the rear wheel.

drakkie
09-07-2004, 01:56 AM
ill ask my uncle,cos he knows a hell of a lot about classic cars.i hope he knows, cos honestly i have no idea....

Grimezzz
09-07-2004, 08:21 AM
No it doesn't, but don't you think it's safe to say that we're looking at an Elva MK-something-or-other?

Matra et Alpine
09-07-2004, 08:37 AM
No it doesn't, but don't you think it's safe to say that we're looking at an Elva MK-something-or-other?
Don't think so.
The front area between the wheels is just too high to be an Elva. High enough for their to be an engine there and justify the side vents on the body.
have to admit to being stumped on what it IS though and hence I favour an American car or track version of something else.

Adrian
09-10-2004, 04:41 AM
kinda i think

henk4
09-10-2004, 04:51 AM
can it be one of the last Echidna's?

Matra et Alpine
09-10-2004, 05:00 AM
can it be one of the last Echidna's?
WHen were the 'last' ? The late 50s ones were very like the D-type at the front IIRC, not as angular as this one.

henk4
09-10-2004, 05:04 AM
WHen were the 'last' ? The late 50s ones were very like the D-type at the front IIRC, not as angular as this one.

Those were the ones I saw indeed (sort of Chaparral I), never researched them further to see if they developed or left the business. It was a wild guess. BTW the car has a visible badge, now I happen to know of somebody who... :)

Matra et Alpine
09-10-2004, 05:08 AM
BTW the car has a visible badge, now I happen to know of somebody who... :)
Do you mean the V on the front ? I exhaused all my knowledge and books tryign to pin that down to start with :(
Not sure what that is on the side above the vents, whether it's a club or advertising logo, but couldnt' make it out too clearly :(
Still amazed we're stumped on this !!!

Any chance of our Californian members dropping in to the shipping company shown on the truck side and ASKING :)

henk4
09-10-2004, 05:10 AM
Any chance of our Californian members dropping in to the shipping company shown on the truck side and ASKING :)

That's an ancient concept, but it might actually work here :)

Matra et Alpine
09-10-2004, 05:24 AM
That's an ancient concept, but it might actually work here :)
True :) We coudl go for the 20th century soln and maybe a Ca resident coudl even PHONE the shipping company :)
Guess members of UCP are 21st century tool-users and if it isn't on the internet it doesn't exist !!!
:)

henk4
09-10-2004, 05:27 AM
True :) We coudl go for the 20th century soln and maybe a Ca resident coudl even PHONE the shipping company :)
Guess members of UCP are 21st century tool-users and if it isn't on the internet it doesn't exist !!!
:)

a cell phone might just qualify though :)

GrimaH
09-14-2004, 02:29 AM
I think maybe this car was a one-of-a-kind car built by hand by an enthusiast. Has to be it, since the car doesn't seem to come from any known manufacturer.

byronleehk
09-14-2004, 11:43 AM
a cell phone might just qualify though :)

I had already thought about doing that but can really do it without an area code :o

And about the name Jerr-Dan, it's the company that makes the trailer, not the transportation company itself.

byronleehk
09-14-2004, 11:48 AM
How about license plate check? Anyone knows what country that plate's from?

Matra et Alpine
09-14-2004, 12:32 PM
I had already thought about doing that but can really do it without an area code :o

And about the name Jerr-Dan, it's the company that makes the trailer, not the transportation company itself.
erm Matteson and Beers is the towing company.
The number and address are on the door of the trailer :)

oh, and it looked like a UK registration, so I DID look it up.
Turned up nothing :(

byronleehk
09-14-2004, 02:10 PM
Hahahahaa......

Guess what? I had never bothered to scroll to the right (because the whole car was showing on my monitor already) and thus never knew there was another part of the pic there!! Pertty good huh! LOL!!

Just called them and was told another gentleman from the UK HAD ALREADY CALLED and asked but since he didn't have the pic, no dice.

Have faxed the towing co. the pic and am waiting on the answer!

byronleehk
09-14-2004, 02:47 PM
So I had tried to fax them several times but their line was "busy". Called them and was told their fax machine was OK:rolleyes:

Maybe someone else can try faxing them too with the picture?

Their fax # (831) 394-1890.
Their phone (831) 899-1120.

Blue Supra
09-14-2004, 09:30 PM
Pretty sure it's not an Elva, the split openings on the front dont' seem right and I don't remember Elava with side exit ventes either.


But the swoop of the wing is VERY reminiscent the '60s cars from Turner et al.

But can't help and theat big V on the front I can't place :(

Concur it isnt' rear engine as no intakes and too low rear deck and nobody would put a tyre over the top of it :)

Problem is we coudl be looking at a modified car :(

Sorry can't help. I'll ask my 'expert' on kits, but it looks too well finished to be a kti :)

OMG it finally happened! Theres a question Matra cant answer! If only UK was here to see it ;) :D

Matra et Alpine
09-16-2004, 02:02 AM
OMG it finally happened! Theres a question Matra cant answer! If only UK was here to see it ;) :D
Talk about timing :)

Isaac Newton : If I have seen farther than others, it is because I was standing on the shoulder of giants. The trick is knowing when and who to ask :)

It's a Talbot-Maserati 250S circa 1956 ex Le Mans.

Thanks to Anton :) I'd asked the question amongst other groups/friends. Knew one would know :) :)

henk4
09-16-2004, 02:57 AM
Well done, it seems that the car is still around. So is it Talbot chassis with a Maserati engine? I remember they were also using BMW engines at that time.

Wouter Melissen
09-16-2004, 03:05 AM
French or British ?

henk4
09-16-2004, 05:32 AM
French or British ?

french, I think the car is mentioned in AutoPassion in the Talbot story.

Matra et Alpine
09-16-2004, 07:47 AM
The badge on the front is the French Talbot badge.
It never was a V it was the diagonal white slash and the edge of the badge we were seeing :)
See http://vea.qc.ca/vea/marques/talbot.htm ( in French )

from a modellor's site --
Talbot-Maserati (Dubonet) from Le Mans 1957.
The car which was once described as "One of the most beautiful (and least successful - the prop having given way after a yard and a half) Le Mans cars of all time".

I love those rear wings :)

http://www.gildea.com/albums/paconcours2001/102_0212_IMG.jpg

DasModell
09-23-2004, 11:11 PM
looking after the car ..
56 Le Mans ..Talbot Lago Sport 2500 Maserati .. nr.17 driven by Louis Rosier (F) and Jean Behra (F) . entered by Automobiles Talbot .did 220 laps and retired with Rear axle, gearbox problems
and one nr.18 driven by Jean Lucas (F) and Goffredo Zehender (I) DNF after accident in lap 32

in 57 . one DNS and one DNF after 0 laps :D

McLareN
09-24-2004, 09:09 AM
http://www.duderick.com/attachment.php?id=10511

Thanks :)

I know, its a Talbot-Maserati Reggiani-Campana Barchetta

DasModell
09-25-2004, 04:23 AM
a bit late i'm afraid :D

sixspeed-V8
10-26-2004, 03:22 PM
Is it a real car? maby some homemade kit car?

fritz59
10-26-2004, 09:48 PM
hey i need some help on some homework and i need to know what stock suspension a shelby mustang gt500 came with so i can compare it to the gt 350

henk4
10-28-2004, 12:44 AM
Is it a real car? maby some homemade kit car?

no,no this one has been positively identified as the Talbot Maserati.

billclark
04-17-2010, 06:32 AM
I have edited this post, as the pic is larger than 640x480. I have cropped the pic and attached it...

Thanks :)

It is a 1957 Talbot MAserati
http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/14/72/47/47/talbot20.jpg

f6fhellcat13
04-17-2010, 09:14 AM
Welcome to UCP, Bill!
Thanks for the id and the video of the Darracq.
However the car has already been identified, and this is an old thread so please don't revive them unless you have something that hasn't been said. :)

jeanBug
05-05-2010, 11:26 AM
The Talbot-Maserati shown is definitively from 1957. The body was very different in 56; without the celebrated rear winglets and many other changes.
The sponsor for the Le Mans race was Dubonnet (the well-known french aperitive). Registrated n°22 and 23 but just the second car was at the start with Halford and Bordoni as drivers. Broke the transmission in the very first kilometres. One of the last because Talbot was sold to Simca in 1958.