240sx - detuned silvia s 200sx - ???

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

we know the 240sx for the american market is basically the japanese silvia line (s13, s14, the 240sx line was discontinued by the time the s15 came out) without the sr20 engine and more or less the same chassis

what about the 200sx?

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

err, heard somewhere this was a replacement for the sentra ??
and on some sites they say the 200 has rwd drivetrain while on others it says fwd ... what the heck?

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

im thinking of either getting this, 240sx, rx7 or mr2
im 16 so money is not exactly a commodity for me and i want a fun sporty rwd car that i can easily modify and take to a track and have fun with

[fpv_gtho]

here in australia we got the S13 as a Silvia, then the S14 and S15 were badged as a 200SX. I'm not sure where the 240SX fitted in

[TheOne]

well, unless you plan on changin the engine on the 240sx, its not a good car to mod and take to drag tracks, but its good to go for road/drifting. the older 200sx(S12) came V6 and RWD as a member here has 1 of those(i think),there is a newer 1 which is FWD and has a 1.6-1.8L I4, thats 95+(or so...) which is the actual sentra. the 240sx is the same japanese silvia but with a truck engine on it, mostly because the sr20 doesn't pass US emissions(and some say cause it would be able to kill the 300zx).
the 240sx can be modifield easily, but you wont get more than ~190RWHP from bolt-ons unless you either turbo or put nos.
i'd take the MR2......RWD, rear engine design, and a turbo model, but then again.....i allready have a 240sx and thinkin of puttin a bigger engine + turbo.

i paid about $1400 for my 93 240sx with 108k miles and a 95 240sx engine(which i rebuilt), $1500 total probably. runs so....badass, just need to go to the drift track around here, oh and also get some better tires.

[SilverArrowZ]

i'd take the MR2......RWD, rear engine design, and a turbo model, but then again.....

i thought its a Mid engine setup... :confused:

[TheOne]

yeh......its mid engine......just kind of though rear engine at that 1 moment:).

[Azon]

From what I have heard, 240SX is the same as 200SX but with a different engine. 200SX used the CA18DE/CA18DET and SR20DE/SR20DET and were sold in Japan and Australia like that. But when it came to import the car to american market Nissan decided not use the CA and SR engine simply because in naturally aspirated form they weren't powerful enough and turbo engines weren't popular enough in America. Hence they decided to take a bigger 2.4 litre KA24E engine used on Altima(Bluebird) and upgrade it to 155hp getting A KA24DE (D means DOHC in Nissan specifications). Now the engine made the power similar to turbocharged 2 litre engines and was good enough for American market. That's the story.

200SX is the same thing as the silvia, but sold in Australia with slightly detuned versions of the same engines(at least in S15 form).

[Blue Supra]

In Australia the S13 is badged as a silvia whereas for some reason the S14 was badged as a 200sx, however on a recent trip to melbourne i came across a S15 badged as a silvia. this confused me as all other S15s id seen were badged 200sx, this S15 happened to be an R spec. i dont know if that changes why its a silvia not a 200sx, can anyone explain this?

Anyway these model cars carrying the SR series engines (excluding CA series s13s) have the potential to be monsters! ive seen cars with SR20DETs that crank 500hp+ they make roughly 200hpish stock, now if thats detuned, i want to see the real potential of these engines!

[fpv_gtho]

perhaps it was a rey import from Japan, some one who was seeking a non detuned version. our ones had i think 147kw stock

[Blue Supra]

sounds like a reasonable assumption to me. iv never seen one before so it piqued my interest. :D

[fpv_gtho]

well when you think about it, the Integra Type R and 200SX we got were supposedly tuned down from the Japanese spec versions, probabl cause of our crappier fuel, so someone who waned something unique with a bit more go wouldve imprteone themselves. Correct me if im wrong, but down japanese cars severely decrease in value after 3 years in Japan?

[henk4]

The European 200SX, (S14) came with a 1.8 16V turbo engine.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

oh yeah i live in canada, our 200sx is not the euro or australian spec
that's prolly the source of all this confusion, sorry bout the lateness of this post though

[Blue Supra]

yeh in japan because of all the strict rego control and limited space and all this other BS they have to be rigouresly scrutinised every 3 years. this means that many japs find it easier to js sell their car and get a new one rather then be bothered re-regoing it. thus cheap cars are a gogo. theres a flow chart of this here

http://www.japanperformancedirect.com.au/why_import.htm

:)

[TheOne]

yes, the silvia goes to australia as a detuned version, you guys are still lucky though, here we get a 2.4L TRUCK engine,lol.(in US)

[Blue Supra]

sucks to be you :p ;)

[fpv_gtho]

yes, the silvia goes to australia as a detuned version, you guys are still lucky though, here we get a 2.4L TRUCK engine,lol.(in US)


yeah pretty simple for us: go down to melbourne and get a unichip fitted so that the engine can be configured to 98 octane premium rather than 95 octane. pretty much problem sold i would say. Hey at least with a truck engine it'll hold together when someone tries to pull 600hp out of it :p

[TheOne]

actually.......no:(. would be a miracle to get 200rwhp or tq out of that engine with most kinds of bolt-on's(except for nitrous or turbo/supercharger, tho high compression pistons should do something). they can go up to 400 or 500hp with a fully built with forged stuff, and a good tune. unless you strengthen(sp?) the engine and try to get more out of it.

[megotmea7]

the KZ24 isnt that bad of an engine, its not as high winding as the SR20's due to its longer stroke(trucks need more tow end torque than top end power) on the dyno the KA24's start gasping for air and power/torque falls off about 2-3000rpm short fo redline reducing its peak power potential while still producing respectable midrange and low end power. adding various simple mods can help out top end power but you really need a turbo to exploit its potential. ive seen stock shortblock KA24's putting out around 300hp turbocharged so theres some potential there. and getting power out of a KA24 might be easier than importing a SR20DET and swaping it in. might cost the same to build up the KA's bottom end also then you have 400cc's more to work with ;)

[TheOne]

its not really a bad engine, it has the trucks torque.....which is quite good. what happens is that it doesn't have much top end power.....mostly because of its intake manifold(which by the way....is really long). but the engine does pretty good with a turbo.

[Azon]

Just want to mention that S13 has never been oficially imported to Australia. Nissan has imported S12 Gazelle and the S14 Silvia, all the S13 people see on the streets are actually grey imports from Japan.

[vg30det]

As I understand it Silvia is a Jap domestic name.....
The best thing you can do with a 240 is get a SR20-DET engine to replace it.

[TheOne]

the best thing is gettin an rb25-26det!!!!!!!into the US 240sx.

Silvia is the japanese name for the S13-14-14.5 and 15.(don't know if the S12 was also named silvia).

either turboin the ka(ka24det) or putting the sr20det is a good swap for the 240sx:).

[vg30det]

.....people have dropped VG30's in to them as well ;)

[Blue Supra]

.....people have dropped VG30's in to them as well ;)

the VG30 is out of the 300zx isnt it? i didnt think they were that quick or that powerful? :confused: they weigh too much.

[cls12vg30]

Hehe, when you get people together from different countries talking about 200SX's and Silvia's it can get real confusing real fast.

In the U.S. Market, the S12 Silvia platform (1984-88) was badged 200SX. Available engines were CA20E (84-88), CA18ET (84-86) and VG30E (87-88)

The 240SX 1991-94 was the S13 platform with a KA24E and later KA24DE, came in both coupe and hatchback, but both cars got the popup headlights like the 180SX, so in effect all U.S. market 240SX coupes have a Onevia body style.

1995-98 240SX was on an S14 platform, again with the KA24DE. 98 240SX was the last Silvia-platform car to be sold in the U.S.

Adding to the confusion is the foolishly-named North-America-only 1995-98 B14-platform 200SX, which was nothing but a 2-door Sentra. Base engine was the GA16DE, the 200SX SE-R got the SR20DE. They sold quite well and are very common. I am constantly having to inform owners of these 200SentraX's, as I call them, that their FWD B14 200SX is in no way related to my RWD '88 S12 200SX V6, they are not different generations of the same platform, they are totally different platforms.

I have a page devoted to ranting about this topic on my website:
http://www.v6-s12.com/Silvia_200SX_Confusion.htm

[TheOne]

the 300zx isn't powerfull because it weights so much.......
but the engine does 300+ hp.

and it isn't as easy to put it on the 240sx as the rb engine.(custom fab has to be made to fit the vg30de compared to just new mounts for the rb), tho it still an engine to put on the 240:).

[vg30det]

the VG30 is out of the 300zx isnt it? i didnt think they were that quick or that powerful? :confused: they weigh too much.

The 300zx was the DETT
The single turbo had no intercooler and only ran 8 psi on a single T3 with ceramic turbine
Displacement, cc 2960
Engine model VG30DET
Max.power (Net), kw(PS)/rpm 255 ps (187.55 kw) / 6000 rpm
Max.torque(Net), N*m(kg*m)/rpm 35.0 kg*m (343.23 N*m) / 3200 rpm
Power density 6.51
Engine type V type 6 cylinder DOHC24 valve turbo
Fuel system NISSAN EGI (ECCS) (electronic gasoline injection) with turbocharger (high flow ceramic turbo)
LEV system (Low emission vehicle) No
Compression ratio 8.5
Bore, mm 87
Stroke, mm 83

The specs don't say thing like all the main caps are cast as one unit with a built in ladder, Oil squiters for piston cooling, Vairable cam timing (inlet only) dual throttle bodies, a tuned intake. You can make 440hp with out doing anything to the engine just upgrade the turbo and ECU. The 400hp has the injectors maxed, up them and you can get 600hp.... easy ponies

[vg30det]

My panel van weighed in at 1680 kg (3700lb) I was told that's about the same weight as a 300Z and a Supra????

[Blue Supra]

im pretty sure a supra doesnt weigh THAT much, the TT is only 40kg heavier then the NA models.

[vg30det]

You are right, I had a google and they are :-
'93 1565kg (3450 lbs)
'96 Turbo 1594kg (3515lbs)
Wow that's heavy!

[Blue Supra]

still goes like a bat out of hell :p

[megotmea7]

still goes like a bat out of hell
you could say that about just about every true japanese sports car from the past decade. altho there are several cars faster than them. if you'll rfesearch 300ZX's, RX-7's, supras, skylines, 3000GT/GTO's, etc. all had very similar strait line performance

[Blue Supra]

you could say that about just about every true japanese sports car from the past decade. altho there are several cars faster than them. if you'll rfesearch 300ZX's, RX-7's, supras, skylines, 3000GT/GTO's, etc. all had very similar strait line performance

Very true, the supra just happens to be my favorite tho ;)

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

there is nothing wrong with it being your fav but many times people let their personal feelings (for the lack of a better word) about a car affect their interpretations and sometimes even knowledge of a car's performance

[Blue Supra]

there is nothing wrong with it being your fav but many times people let their personal feelings (for the lack of a better word) about a car affect their interpretations and sometimes even knowledge of a car's performance

not to worry, im not a fanboy blinded by feelings for the car to the point of "the supra can beat every car in the world and it awesome and you all suck screw anyone who thinks different" ill freely admit there are faster/better cars. The supra is just my personal preferance over say the 300zx or skyline or mercedes whatever :)