Street race

[Kyrios]

Do you have ilegal street race?

[drakkie]

out here, yes.they do it on the maasvlakte(industrial area) every friday/saturday night

[Hell_Unleashed]

They have them everywhere man! Here in Qatar... all over the place... we have a place called Industrial Area as well and its roads are empty most of the time... and there are many races over there. I have been involved in a few.... but these were in our stock cars though... no skylines, no supras or rx7s... I drive a 2001 Honda Accord. I managed to keep up with a 2002 MB E240 till about 100 kms/h. I've beaten a 307 and been screwed by a 328i. I got to tell u all tho these were drags in very safe areas... so nobody's lives were in danger. I dont want anybody getting the wrong idea about me.

[Hell_Unleashed]

BTW... welcome... just noticed u were new

[fpv_gtho]

i havent seen any street racing, but a dimwitted friend of mine claims to have been in races regularly, even writing off a friends car. i think hes gone through 3 cars, only 2 of those were his

[Quiggs]

Most of the people in my area are pretenders. APC stickers, universal fit exhaust, and unpainted bodykits. All talk, and I've had people (kids in VTEC Honda's that would easily take me) back down just revving to 2500...

Go down to Philly and it's a whole 'nother ball game. The kids there actually have money. And taste in cars/parts.

[SlickHolden]

Yeah we have them here but i haven't been to see them, It's called cherry lane all types of cars go there. My brother and his mate wen't down to drag one night, My brother had a problem and his car just stopped half way in the race, Pulled to the side of the road then they herd the cops comming and he shit :D He was screaming at the car start you SOB you F#&%en S*&T heap lucky for him it did and they left but i wish i had been there to see the look on his face priceless lol :D

[UK CARS]

Erm, street racing? Well how about...Empty street racing?

[Matra et Alpine]

Phone the police if they are. The streets are NOT for racing on, no matter HOW empty you think they are.

Keep racing on tracks !!!!!

[The Tuner]

they do it a lot here in dubai, specially on thursday nites down on this road called mamzar...

btw, Kyrios, where r u from? greece by any chance?

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

Street racing + Wannabes - Common Sense = MORON WITHOUT A LICENSE!

Go talk street racing somewhere else!

[SlickHolden]

Howd you know my Brother doesn't have a licence :D

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

Just my opinion, wasn't trying to point it out at anyone. But did he seriously lose his license?

[SlickHolden]

He has never had one, When young he got into some trouble, And was banned for 10 years and just hasn't gone to get it back yet, Cause they make you do a drink driving cource and he wont do it.

[Tha_killa69]

My street is almost a quarter mile long and people street race all the time!

[GTR Dreamer]

Most of the people in my area are pretenders. APC stickers, universal fit exhaust, and unpainted bodykits. All talk, and I've had people (kids in VTEC Honda's that would easily take me) back down just revving to 2500...


its called RICE

:p :p

[Quiggs]

its called RICE

:p :p

Still amusing that they back down from my STOCK 8 valve.

[taz_rocks_miami]

I hate to admit it, but I did street race in my younger stupid days a few times. Thank God I never cuassed an accident. Now that I've grown up (kinda lol) I race but only at drag strips, track days and I might get into rallies here in Mexico in the future.

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

My street is almost a quarter mile long and people street race all the time!

Doesn't make them any less of a bunch of morons.

[SlickHolden]

This cherry lane where they go racing here is near some factorys away from citys and suburbs, It's long and straight, but it's not used much anymore cause the cops have it on there night runs to pass it every 30min, So that's it now most go to the track and race the cops there 1 on 1 :D

[vg30det]

Have you guys seen this?
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6909
Win yourself a get out of jail coupon lol :)

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

I'm not even going back into this.... :rolleyes: Morons....

[wapwapwap]

hey if you don't trust yourself doing over 50kph thats up to you. You're preaching to the wrong crowd I think. We're all morons here. :)

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

I have a REAL fun game you street racers might enjoy! It goes like this, you grab a revolver, put one bullet in the chamber, spin the chamber, shut it before it stops and don't look at it, put it to you head and pull the trigger, if you don't die, YOU WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sdeweys]

yeah ok nanna so you've said, thats going a bit far.
Some of us don't live in built up areas where street racing is very dangerous you know. I live in the country where 1/4mile drags down the back road is the main attraction. It's been happening as long as I can remember and know one's ever been killed. However, I know people who have shot themselves and their friends hunting deer in the woods. And people don't see that as moronic.

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

yeah ok nanna so you've said, thats going a bit far.
Some of us don't live in built up areas where street racing is very dangerous you know. I live in the country where 1/4mile drags down the back road is the main attraction. It's been happening as long as I can remember and know one's ever been killed. However, I know people who have shot themselves and their friends hunting deer in the woods. And people don't see that as moronic.
The drag stip is 15 min.s away for me. Virginia International Raceway is over an hour. I'll drive that hour before I put someone's innocent life in danger.

[vg30det]

The drag stip is 15 min.s away for me. Virginia International Raceway is over an hour. I'll drive that hour before I put someone's innocent life in danger.

You make it sound like the street racers are running quarters through the local pre school. Where I am you have to be in the know to find out where they are, the roads get watched. You are there by choice and ma & pa aren't going to be on these roads at 2am. Yes it's not as safe but that adds to the excitment....just like smoking weed which I'm sure you wouldn't do either. To me a street quater is way safer than the burnouts with the crowds standing around.....

As to compairing it to a 1 in 6 chance of death what a drama queen!
So you are saying that every 3rd run someone dies.... sounds to me like you stuffed your tampon up the wrong hole this morning.....

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

And that little comment proves to me what kind of child you are.

[vg30det]

Yep the sorta kid who can do math and spot a drama queen....

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

No, the sorta kid that has lost all common sense and is waste of Oxygen.

[vg30det]

You're getting grumpy grandma, may be it's time for your afternoon nap....

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

You are really starting to annoy me, child.

[Sdeweys]

and you've been anoying me since I got here, nanna.

[Ferrari Tifosi]

I can't believe some people are actually condoning illegal street racing. No matter how desolate the road is, some INNOCENT person could still get hurt. There's always that slight chance that someone is taking their dog for a walk down that road. How hard is it for these people to get it through their thick, ignorant skulls?

[fpv_gtho]

People get the dangers, unfortunately for some if they dont get told the consequences they find out themselves

[Blue Supra]

As to compairing it to a 1 in 6 chance of death what a drama queen!
So you are saying that every 3rd run someone dies.... sounds to me like you stuffed your tampon up the wrong hole this morning.....

-1 for you
Street racing is not the glitzy glamor flashy fast world portrayed in Fast and the Furious mate. People die! believe it. If you want to take your chances, fine, none of us will stop you. By the way. Do you even OWN a car? have YOU ever raced? i doubt it. Otherwise you wouldnt be talking it up like some punk who's watched fntf and fntf2 and thinks thats all there is to it. Grow up. :mad:

[NoOne]

You make it sound like the street racers are running quarters through the local pre school. Where I am you have to be in the know to find out where they are, the roads get watched. You are there by choice and ma & pa aren't going to be on these roads at 2am. Yes it's not as safe but that adds to the excitment....just like smoking weed which I'm sure you wouldn't do either. To me a street quater is way safer than the burnouts with the crowds standing around.....

As to compairing it to a 1 in 6 chance of death what a drama queen!
So you are saying that every 3rd run someone dies.... sounds to me like you stuffed your tampon up the wrong hole this morning.....

I'm not convinced you have ever participated in a street-race, you may have watched a few, but I really don't believe you have ever been deep into the throttle on a public road, keeping an eye on the car beside you and still feeling anxiety that someone may pull out in front of you, a drunk might stumble out into the street from a bar, something could break or a tire blow on either your car or your opponent's.

Have you ever considered the consequences - and I don't mean the legal implications - of a race induced accident?

Here's a quick story, a few "friends" of mine were having a "fun" race (no money involved) in their winter beaters, it was Christmas eve around 11:00 p.m., there is hardly any traffic, so they get into it .... an elderly man stepped off the sidewalk (I think it may have been icey) and onto the road where he slipped and was trying to get up when he was hit by a car travelling in excess of 80 mph.

My "friend" was charged with vehicular manslaughter, did 5 yrs and a suspended license (10 yrs I think), he lost his job and 5 yrs with his wife and his daughter (who was 3 when he went in). None of this fazed him as much as the thought of some kid lost their grandpa on Christmas eve and he was to blame, all to have a bit of fun and a laugh.

This is not about drama, this is what really happens. I've seen a lot of accidents, close calls and I've watched "friends" bail as soon as there is a problem, they'll run and hide and not pay you a second thought if the shit hits the fan, it's all about self-preservation, and if you can be the scapegoat then they'll invariably point the finger at you.

I use that word Friend in quotes, because when shit does happen , and sooner or later it will, then you'll know your friends from the guys who just value your advice, a helping hand or just the company you keep at the time.


And your comment about a street quarter being safer than burnouts, is ridiculous you are comparing innocent people to willing participants who are aware of the situation at hand.

I was part of the street-racing scene for 7 or 8 yrs, I am honestly too afraid to race on the street now, I've seen way too much go down, I feel my heart miss a beat at times when I hear cars racing, I'm now a father of 3 and I feel a bit of rage rise up in me when someone "flies" down my street, I hope they'll learn before they or worse someone else gets hurt.

[Matra et Alpine]

As has already been pointed out is that it si unsafe.

it's unsafe becuase it is done in an unctrolled world where any numebr of things can happen which can lead to death.

And whilst it's "big" to brag abotu not caring and that those whoe compete take the risk, it's important to remember their are others. As well as the person who may come onto the scene unaware, there are the 'victims' who are the family and friends of the people einvolved. They all lose. Adults realise this. Kids don't.

I continue to meet and spend time with guys who brag about racing. To all of them I put forward they shoudl come to tracks. Alomst all have and found themselves making the mistakes in a safe place. A few have even started to spread the word realising that if it had happened on a street it woudl have been serious. There are others who come and never come back again - they're usually the ones who THINK they're good and are actually cr@p, who make up for skill by buying more power and technology !!!

If you still dont' see the point, go along to your local highway/traffic police and ask them to show you the consequences of a car accident. At a bike meet we had a few folks were physically sick at the images shown.

[vg30det]

-1 for you
Street racing is not the glitzy glamor flashy fast world portrayed in Fast and the Furious mate. People die! believe it.If you want to take your chances, fine, none of us will stop you. By the way. Do you even OWN a car? have YOU ever raced? i doubt it. Otherwise you wouldnt be talking it up like some punk who's watched fntf and fntf2 and thinks thats all there is to it. Grow up. :mad:

I own 3 cars V8 holden panel van, 180sx turbo, and a VG30DET powered esky and yes I'm in the local car club.
Edit: and have my clubsport license as I have to do min 3 motosport events per year so that I can run a roll cage, race seats and harnesses legally on the road....

I find it impossible that you guys NEVER break the road rules, no speeding no drag at the lights to 60 kmph.... Do you even OWN balls? I doubt it......

For the record fntf was the biggest load of arse bad car porn. Watch some of the Jap "Option" videos for REAL street drags and REAL street drfiting. Seriously watch it and look how dangerious it is they do it in the middle of the night and there's no other cars around.

[vg30det]

I'm not convinced you have ever participated in a street-race, you may have watched a few, but I really don't believe you have ever been deep into the throttle on a public road, keeping an eye on the car beside you and still feeling anxiety that someone may pull out in front of you, a drunk might stumble out into the street from a bar, something could break or a tire blow on either your car or your opponent's.


Yes I have been way deep in to the throttle on the public roads. Yes I have done a runner from the cops but this is the internet those statements are about as believeable as you want them to be. I could say stuff like engines do not suck in air, the vacuum gets filled by atmospheric pressure (if you don't understand the difference you'll never understand gas flow through an engine) at the end of the day you guys have tagged me as some wannbe. I have built custom turbo setups, I have built custom supercharged setups I have used load cells under spark plugs to investigate the pressure spikes and that tell you detonation is about to occour. Think what you want.




Have you ever considered the consequences - and I don't mean the legal implications - of a race induced accident?


Yes, that why it's in a rural area outta the city....



Here's a quick story, a few "friends" of mine were having a "fun" race (no money involved) in their winter beaters, it was Christmas eve around 11:00 p.m., there is hardly any traffic,


Hardly any traffic..... that like being slightly pregnant.
What a bunch of numb nuts. Christmas eve = drunks on the road and people everywhere and racing on icey roads???

That's 3 reasons why not to.



This is not about drama, this is what really happens. I've seen a lot of accidents, close calls and I've watched "friends" bail as soon as there is a problem, they'll run and hide and not pay you a second thought if the shit hits the fan, it's all about self-preservation, and if you can be the scapegoat then they'll invariably point the finger at you.


Our ¼ has sheep paddocks both sides of the road, no side streets, no drive
ways, no houses. If there are side roads or driveways it's not a ¼ run.
No old man no ice and no christmas eve.....

Worst case is that a sheep goes over the fence and both cars crash and both drivers die, everyone is aware of this and no innocents are involved.



And your comment about a street quarter being safer than burnouts, is ridiculous you are comparing innocent people to willing participants who are aware of the situation at hand.


Get 200 people in a crowd with some numb nuts doing burnouts on a road slick with diesel vs our rural drag....yeah ok



I was part of the street-racing scene for 7 or 8 yrs, I am honestly too afraid to race on the street now, I've seen way too much go down, I feel my heart miss a beat at times when I hear cars racing, I'm now a father of 3 and I feel a bit of rage rise up in me when someone "flies" down my street, I hope they'll learn before they or worse someone else gets hurt.

There's a time and a place and that's not the burbs....

[The Tuner]

ya kno, vg, u actually got a few points there.
sure it safe to race down a rural, deserted, straight, unpopulated, deserted, wateva'ed 1/4 at insane speeds...safe to everyone else besides thos on the road at the time: u n the other racers. honestly, thts my kinda scene too. i luv speed n all, n ask any1 here, i was pretty pro street-racing a little while ago. i mite not b as good wit cars or as good wit drivin as u, but i have this insane need for spped, n i havent reached a speed wich has satisfied me yet. prob never will....but thts another story, u dont need street racing to go fast. but if u so cnfident abt ureself, y dont u go down to a trak n prove it? u have shown tht u know abt cars (atleast, u have talked abt it rather convincingly), and u have bragged abt ure driving skills...prove it on a proper race trak. n y run the risk of fatalities or injusries, to ureself and others, and risk breakin the law, for sumthin tht can b done jus as well legally? u have a 1/4 there? m sure a trak's gona have one too....
u may b rite abt everythin u sed abt how safe the place u use is...but ask the ppl who gave up racing, no1 for example, n theyll tell u tht by the time they realised tht it really wasnt tht safe, it was already a little too late.

how much are u willing to risk?

[Matra et Alpine]

Edit: and have my clubsport license as I have to do min 3 motosport events per year so that I can run a roll cage, race seats and harnesses legally on the road....

WTF ????
You have to have a license to have a roll cage, seats and harnesses on the road. That's jsut crazy. Nobody tried arguing the safety angle with the law courts ??
Wow, that's crazy :)

Do you even OWN balls? I doubt it......
as one who is anti-street racing and who has rallied, raced, caved, paraglided, mountain climbed and a few other 'dangerous' sports -- being CAREFUL has nothing to do with balls. It's all about brains :)


Seriously watch it and look how dangerious it is they do it in the middle of the night and there's no other cars around.
Are these 'marshalled', coz if not they're relying on luck.
Do kiddies watching it know the difference between the safety in a track, an organised event and the public roads - no matter HOW empty they look at the start ???
Coz the problem is they think it's cool. It's like kids in the 30/40s watching all the movies with all the hard men smoking cigarettes. woo-oo, I should smoke and be a "hard man". Funny how few of them are still around to be "hard" !!!!
Arguing the "safety" of street racing is akin to the "smoking makes you a man" BS of our previous generations !!!

[Blue Supra]

I own 3 cars V8 holden panel van, 180sx turbo, and a VG30DET powered esky and yes I'm in the local car club.
Edit: and have my clubsport license as I have to do min 3 motosport events per year so that I can run a roll cage, race seats and harnesses legally on the road.....

What state do you live in? As far as i know a roll cage is illegal in many if not all states regardless if you have a race license. race seats? i can go to repco and get "race seats" you dont need anything to have those, same with harnesses. i can have that stuff in my datto, which i use for hillclimbs and use it road legal... without any sortof special license. this proves nothing in your capacity as a driver. and unless you wear a helmet all that stuff wont help you much, why do you think the minimum requirement for ANY event hillclimb, rally, track etc is a helmet?

[vg30det]

ya kno, vg, u actually got a few points there.
sure it safe to race down a rural, deserted, straight, unpopulated, deserted, wateva'ed 1/4 at insane speeds...safe to everyone else besides thos on the road at the time: u n the other racers. honestly, thts my kinda scene too. i luv speed n all, n ask any1 here, i was pretty pro street-racing a little while ago. i mite not b as good wit cars or as good wit drivin as u, but i have this insane need for spped, n i havent reached a speed wich has satisfied me yet. prob never will....but thts another story, u dont need street racing to go fast. but if u so cnfident abt ureself, y dont u go down to a trak n prove it? u have shown tht u know abt cars (atleast, u have talked abt it rather convincingly), and u have bragged abt ure driving skills...prove it on a proper race trak. n y run the risk of fatalities or injusries, to ureself and others, and risk breakin the law, for sumthin tht can b done jus as well legally? u have a 1/4 there? m sure a trak's gona have one too....
u may b rite abt everythin u sed abt how safe the place u use is...but ask the ppl who gave up racing, no1 for example, n theyll tell u tht by the time they realised tht it really wasnt tht safe, it was already a little too late.

how much are u willing to risk?

I go track racing..... but there's also a circle of guys who do ¼'s outta town, yes we could do it at the town strip but it's not the same. it's old school and mostly v8's....

[vg30det]

WTF ????
You have to have a license to have a roll cage, seats and harnesses on the road. That's jsut crazy. Nobody tried arguing the safety angle with the law courts ??
Wow, that's crazy :)


Yep in NZ to run a roll cage and race seats with a harness you have to have a valid motorsport license and compeate in at least 3 events per year....




as one who is anti-street racing and who has rallied, raced, caved, paraglided, mountain climbed and a few other 'dangerous' sports -- being CAREFUL has nothing to do with balls. It's all about brains :)


Don't get me wrong I understand your point but I disagree about the safety aspect....



Are these 'marshalled', coz if not they're relying on luck.


Yep....



Do kiddies watching it know the difference between the safety in a track, an organised event and the public roads - no matter HOW empty they look at the start ???


No kiddies allowed like I said it's mainly the older (30+)V8 crowd, and why I brought my panel van... by the way at the mo it only does a 16.5 ¼ so I'm only just breaking the speed limit :)



Coz the problem is they think it's cool. It's like kids in the 30/40s watching all the movies with all the hard men smoking cigarettes. woo-oo, I should smoke and be a "hard man". Funny how few of them are still around to be "hard" !!!!
Arguing the "safety" of street racing is akin to the "smoking makes you a man" BS of our previous generations !!!

Personally I think that ¼'s are a load of sht when it comes to driving skills, anyone can drive it like it's stolen.... different story at the pro level tho'
That's why I have a track car to....

Thanks to the local OSH laws another car club that I once belonged to can no longer afford to hire the track so they went underground as well.

You guys NEVER speed when there's no one around? You guys have never fanged it away from the lights as hard as it will go to the speed limit or a wee bit beyound????
If so you have more self control than me.

[vg30det]

What state do you live in? As far as i know a roll cage is illegal in many if not all states regardless if you have a race license.


NZ thankfully we still aren't a state of Aus ;)



race seats? i can go to repco and get "race seats" you dont need anything to have those, same with harnesses.


Ahem....I'm talking FIA approved not Rip Every Poor C__t Off (repco for the slow of wit) Actually the problem i the harnes if you run a seat with a std belt its fine.... Yep making your car safer make it illegal go figure....



i can have that stuff in my datto, which i use for hillclimbs and use it road legal... without any sortof special license. this proves nothing in your capacity as a driver. and unless you wear a helmet all that stuff wont help you much, why do you think the minimum requirement for ANY event hillclimb, rally, track etc is a helmet?

Insurerance/liability... you think I'm joking.....You have an off in a decent hill climb and a helmut isn't going to save you....



this proves nothing in your capacity as a driver.


Where did I say anything about my driving?
I've been talking about the location....

[crisis]

You make it sound like the street racers are running quarters through the local pre school. Where I am you have to be in the know to find out where they are, the roads get watched. You are there by choice and ma & pa aren't going to be on these roads at 2am. Yes it's not as safe but that adds to the excitment....just like smoking weed which I'm sure you wouldn't do either. To me a street quater is way safer than the burnouts with the crowds standing around.....

As to compairing it to a 1 in 6 chance of death what a drama queen!
So you are saying that every 3rd run someone dies.... sounds to me like you stuffed your tampon up the wrong hole this morning.....
You are obviously young enough that you have not experienced much death. A mate of mine died on a dual lane single way carriageway where a lot of illegal drags/races took place. The only side road was at the end from a oil company but as this was at night ( a good thing about 2.00am is its dark with limited visibility, what is the lightning like on you country track?) no one expected the tanker to pull out in front of him. Im sure the truck driver also did not expect a race to be going on at this time (although if he had been there long enough maybe he should have). So if you choose to persue this irresponsible disregard for everyone else at least you wont have to be there to see your mums face when the cop tells her that her idiot son has just been hosed out of his smoking wreck of a car and can you identify the remains. Im sure the cop will be used of doing it to and it will be no biggy. Yep thats dramatic. Yep I drove irresponsibly when I was young. I got lucky, watched others die, got older, got a better grip on my mortality, became a bit less selfish (a bit) and I can now pontificate to younger guys how dumb they are being. If your lucky you'll get to do it to.

[Blue Supra]

Im having a bit of a laugh at this, everytime i come back to thid thread VG30s rep has dropped another point. :p

A NEW ZEALANDER!!
i think that just said everything we needed to know lads.

[Blue Supra]

Also somethign else i noticed....
VG30DET joined this month, SDEWAYS also joined this month, both have few posts, both are arguing FOR street racing, both have NOT listed where they are, coincidence? possibly? what do you guys think?

[vg30det]

Also somethign else i noticed....
VG30DET joined this month, SDEWAYS also joined this month, both have few posts, both are arguing FOR street racing, both have NOT listed where they are, coincidence? possibly? what do you guys think?

Next you'll have me on the grassy noll with the gun....

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

Then, vg30det, as a racer you should realize the danger you put yourself and others in an uncontrolled enviroment as a street race. If you can't see this, you shouldn't be on the track. You shouldn't even have a driver's license.

[vg30det]

Then, vg30det, as a racer you should realize the danger you put yourself and others in an uncontrolled enviroment as a street race. If you can't see this, you shouldn't be on the track. You shouldn't even have a driver's license.

You'll love this.... the only reason why I have a License is because I got caught by the police when I was 18 as part of my dirversion agreement I had to get my license and do a defensive driving course. :D

[Sdeweys]

I love this forum. There's nothing better than arguements going nowhere. :)

[vg30det]

You are obviously young enough that you have not experienced much death.


Most of my dead/damaged friends are from motobike crashes....



A mate of mine died on a dual lane single way carriageway where a lot of illegal drags/races took place. The only side road


.....silly



was at the end from a oil company but as this was at night ( a good thing about 2.00am is its dark with limited visibility, what is the lightning like on you country track?)


None except the cars.....



no one expected the tanker to pull out in front of him.


When we used to drag at an indrustrial part of town the 3 side roads ALWAYS were blocked by cars.



Im sure the truck driver also did not expect a race to be going on at this time (although if he had been there long enough maybe he should have). So if you choose to persue this irresponsible disregard for everyone else at least you wont have to be there to see your mums face when the cop tells her that her idiot son has just been hosed out of his smoking wreck of a car and can you identify the remains. Im sure the cop will be used of doing it to and it will be no biggy. Yep thats dramatic.


It's all about picking the time and place....the small town I grew up in the cops even knew about the ¼'s on friday night. Since the guys did it where no one got annoyed and there was no side roads they turned a blind eye.... The city cops would come over every coupla months and do a blitz but that went on for years.



Yep I drove irresponsibly when I was young. I got lucky, watched others die, got older, got a better grip on my mortality, became a bit less selfish (a bit) and I can now pontificate to younger guys how dumb they are being. If your lucky you'll get to do it to.

Who knows?

[Sdeweys]

hey wow we both posted at the same time. ....there goes that theory bluesupra.
Yhep, there's definately two street racing morons on here :)

[vg30det]

How do I get my rep to 0? Then I'll be happy and leave ;)

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

Keep being a moron.

[vg30det]

Keep being a moron.

What a come back! .....are you always so lame or is today a special occasion?

[DodgeNitroBIRM]

Who said it was a come back?

[vg30det]

Wow so you are actuall that dull....... here was I thinking you were trying to wind me up..............

[Ferrari Tifosi]

Most of my dead/damaged friends are from motobike crashes....



.....silly



None except the cars.....



When we used to drag at an indrustrial part of town the 3 side roads ALWAYS were blocked by cars.



It's all about picking the time and place....the small town I grew up in the cops even knew about the ¼'s on friday night. Since the guys did it where no one got annoyed and there was no side roads they turned a blind eye.... The city cops would come over every coupla months and do a blitz but that went on for years.



Who knows?

Someone dying silly?!?!?!? This pisses me off, life something I respect, and if you see a human's death as silly, from something as idiotic as street racing, well, then I have absolutely no respect for you. :mad: Maybe you need a hard awakening to realize how dangerous street racing is. Hopefully not, and you will grow up and spread the word, but unfortunately I doubt.

[crisis]

Most of my dead/damaged friends are from motobike crashes....
Sad huh.



.....silly


Sillier than you? I suppose so, you seem to sound like youve got it al worked out.


None except the cars.....

.....silly


When we used to drag at an indrustrial part of town the 3 side roads ALWAYS were blocked by cars.


at least youve got that worked out. Im sure nothing can go wrong then.


It's all about picking the time and place....the small town I grew up in the cops even knew about the ¼'s on friday night. Since the guys did it where no one got annoyed and there was no side roads they turned a blind eye.... The city cops would come over every coupla months and do a blitz but that went on for years.
Sounds perfect, and you say no ones ever got hurt?

[vg30det]

Someone dying silly?!?!?!?


Take your meds there Susan and calm the hell down. Street drags with out blocking the roads is silly. It's like diving in to a river with out checking for logs first..... asking for trouble which regretably happened..... Many people have died from silly actions....in fact if you look at all the stories people here have pulled out that have ended in death the drivers were breaking the "rules"

I've been watching and participating in street races for about 14 years, I've seen a coupla offs and some prangs but no one has ever died.... the rules are
1) Pick you ¼ well.
2) Block any side roads (proferably have none)
3) Everyone helps walk a section of the "track" incase of debris/pot holes.
4) No human neighbours (the get annoyed and ring the cops)
5) No indrustrial areas as they have secuirity and video cameras....

If you just hit a set of traffic lights and blast it you are asking for trouble.....

[vg30det]

Sad huh.
Sounds perfect, and you say no ones ever got hurt?

Nope no ones ever been killed, I've seen 2 written off cars and a heap of panel damage/near misses......

[Ferrari Tifosi]

So you're validating your point by the fact that you haven't seen anyone die yet? That's any awfully weak arguement, don't you think? Good y'all closed off the roads, with what? Cars, People? That could possible be hit while racing????? Grow up and wise up before you KILL someone. I knew someone who died in a street race accident, he was a passenger in the car that was racing. From others in the car, I've heard that he was trying to get the driver to slow down. I guess you'll have to learn the hard way, its sad.

[vg30det]

So you're validating your point by the fact that you have seen anyone die yet?


How is that different from you guys validating your point by that fact people die?



That's any awfully weak arguement, don't you think. Good you closed off the roads, with what? Cars, People? That could possible be hit while racing????? Grow up and wise up.

Yep cars.... Dude if you want something to bleat about the power poles that were lining the road were in far worse than cars ever seen someone remove their doors with a pole?

That's why the rural setting is the best, least amount of sht to hit.
We are there by choice, we minimise the risk, hell yes there's risk but how is this any different from skydiving and base jumping?
Both can kill you both have risk. We minimis the risk as much as we can.

Racing on roads with innocents is just plan wrong, we "close" the road. It's so much more if an adrenlen kick than doing the track ¼. No one is forced that reminds me it's driver only no passengers.

Do you go around telling Base jumper to wise up? smokers? people having casul sex with out protection?

If I kill myself that's my choice if I wanted to live as another feckin drone I would be following the rules.......

[crisis]

You'll love this.... the only reason why I have a License is because I got caught by the police when I was 18 as part of my dirversion agreement I had to get my license and do a defensive driving course. :D
Back to the drawing board for the NZ legal system eh?

[vg30det]

BTW the cars were down the intersection about 10 meters, they do a good job of stopping without putting them in the "track"

[Ferrari Tifosi]

That's why the rural setting is the best, least amount of sht to hit.
We are there by choice, we minimise the risk, hell yes there's risk but how is this any different from skydiving and base jumping?
Both can kill you both have risk. We minimis the risk as much as we can.

Notice the YOU, this is the point you are failing to realize. Innocent people die as a result of street racing, its not just the driver. Street racing in a rural area is still dangerous and reckless none the less. There is no excuse for participating in street racing.

[crisis]

Nope no ones ever been killed, I've seen 2 written off cars and a heap of panel damage/near misses......
So you rely on luck a bit too then?

[vg30det]

Back to the drawing board for the NZ legal system eh?

It's getting far too much like the US, removing personal responsibility. I should have had fines and been stopped getting a license for my actions but nope, they gave me one insted. :cool:

[Ferrari Tifosi]

So you rely on luck a bit too then?

Unfortunately Crisis, this is an failed arguement, this guy is going to do what he wants to do, and doesn't car about the consequences. Oh well, I'm done.

[vg30det]

Notice the YOU, this is the point you are failing to realize. Innocent people die as a result of street racing, its not just the driver. Street racing in a rural area is still dangerous and reckless none the less. There is no excuse for participating in street racing.

Unless there are invisable people, who is going to get hurt...... apart from the drivers who are there by choice?

If things went really wrong some sheep might by it.....

Yes it's dangerous just like base jumping.....

[vg30det]

So you rely on luck a bit too then?

Yep, just like many extreme sports and race car drivers when things go wrong.

[vg30det]

Unfortunately Crisis, this is an failed arguement, this guy is going to do what he wants to do, and doesn't car about the consequences. Oh well, I'm done.

I have the failed argument huh? I'm not the one saying that invisable people are going to get killed...

You can't back your own statments.
Answer these questions.
1) who's going to get hurt apart from the driver?
2) Should "sports" offical or otherwise that can and do kill be banned?

I have argued every point you bring up.....so you run off with your tail beteen your legs.....

Off home see you tomorrow :D

[crisis]

Yep, just like many extreme sports and race car drivers when things go wrong.
In my opinion extreme sports are for extreme idiots but oddly when you get older and have less time left you tend to value life more. Or maybe you just realise you arent as clever as you thought you were.
Of course race car drivers (as you would know) have roll cages, helmets, race cars, controlled exclusion zones (race tracks) with fire fighting facilities and paramedics. And yes, they can still get killed.

[Ferrari Tifosi]

You can't back your own statments.
Answer these questions.
1) who's going to get hurt apart from the driver?
2) Should "sports" offical or otherwise that can and do kill be banned?

Who's going to get hurt, hmmmmm, what's that word I've been repeating over and over again. INNOCENT PEOPLE, whether it's someone walking a dog, or the guy walking to work who doesn't have a car. Street racing cannot be controlled therefore it is never anywhere near as safe as track racing which can be controlled to a point. You never know about some random guy who happens to be wandering around the area you're racing, you never know, that's the problem.

[Sdeweys]

Well this has been interesting. Seems to be that you guys have no idea about VG's points. Just a recorded message that repeats 'street racing is dangerous don't do it' He's told you specifically that where he street races there is nobody 'walking the dog' or 'going to work.' It almost makes me wonder if you have any idea what life is like outside of the US. Yep, the whole world must be same right?
If a 1/4 is setup how he's described then there's very little risk in my opinion. Ferrari, he's told you how street racing is controlled, yet he's wasting his breath in my opinion cos you're obviously not even contemplating his posts.
VG30, don't even bother trying to explain yourself. Unless you actually enjoy talking to brickwalls.

[fpv_gtho]

you both reckon that the way its setup that theres minimal risk, but ponder this.....you've oganised a race, in your "remote" locaton with the roads blocked off and no one else around. one of the cars blows a tyre, swerves out of control into another car, sending it off the road and barrel rolling into a field. would you go back the next day or next week and do it all again, knowing the dangers of what happened previously?

[Hell_Unleashed]

ya kno, vg, u actually got a few points there.
sure it safe to race down a rural, deserted, straight, unpopulated, deserted, wateva'ed 1/4 at insane speeds...safe to everyone else besides thos on the road at the time: u n the other racers. honestly, thts my kinda scene too. i luv speed n all, n ask any1 here, i was pretty pro street-racing a little while ago. i mite not b as good wit cars or as good wit drivin as u, but i have this insane need for spped, n i havent reached a speed wich has satisfied me yet. prob never will....but thts another story, u dont need street racing to go fast. but if u so cnfident abt ureself, y dont u go down to a trak n prove it? u have shown tht u know abt cars (atleast, u have talked abt it rather convincingly), and u have bragged abt ure driving skills...prove it on a proper race trak. n y run the risk of fatalities or injusries, to ureself and others, and risk breakin the law, for sumthin tht can b done jus as well legally? u have a 1/4 there? m sure a trak's gona have one too....
u may b rite abt everythin u sed abt how safe the place u use is...but ask the ppl who gave up racing, no1 for example, n theyll tell u tht by the time they realised tht it really wasnt tht safe, it was already a little too late.

how much are u willing to risk?
I got tounge tied trying to read this...

[Matra et Alpine]

I got tounge tied trying to read this...
me too, I stopped about 3 lines in.

'tuner', it's too hard to read your posts, can you please try to NOT use sms-text and try sentences, please :)
I'm sure yo've interesting stuff to say, just not sure how many are able to read it.

[Hell_Unleashed]

Im not taking anysides when I say this... but Sdeweys last post was very true... VG has repeatedly described the place where he races and there obviously can't be people walking dogs... umm let alone a guy walking to work at 2 am... and each post Ferrari posts makes it look like he hasn't really read what VG posted. Anyways... VG says he has been racing for 14 years... I think that is a very long time... so he should have reasonable experience. I don't think anybody is going to be able to change his mind.

[Coventrysucks]

Remember people:

Don't feel the trolls


:rolleyes:

[The Tuner]

I got tounge tied trying to read this...



me too, I stopped about 3 lines in.

'tuner', it's too hard to read your posts, can you please try to NOT use sms-text and try sentences, please :)
I'm sure yo've interesting stuff to say, just not sure how many are able to read it.

m sorry guys....
matra wrned me about this before....stil arent used to not using msn english...
il try tho.

n i aint modifying this psot now....m lazy!
:D

[NoOne]

You claim to have all risks minimized, sideroads blocked off, a very remote area where the only people there are people who are in attendence and are there solely by choice. Good for you for having that much sense.

But I ask you, haven't you just created your own track/strip where the only differences are the lack of emergency rescue personel, proper timing equipment to declare an out-right winner and proper lighting. How is this more of an adrenaline rush? Other than the fact that you are deciding the location of your "track", and could change it at any time for any reason. You have essentially removed all the components of a street-race good (see below)and bad and are left with a race on a road that is used by the public in daylight hours and street-legal cars (tho racing something that turns in only a 16.5 is totally laughable, you might want to try 10 speeds or wheelchairs).

I can't even consider you to be a real "street-racer", just a fool with a mis-guided ego that wants to be an idiot street-racer.

Ok, so I claimed there are good and bad elements of street-racing, this is going to be hard to explain, but I'll try.
Good points(for lack of a better description):
SPONTANEITY - you have precious little prep time, your either 100% ready or you lose
RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG - Talk is cheap, saying you plan on getting this or doing that means nothing, you have what you have and thats all.
ONE SHOT DEAL - You only have the one chance to win, there is rarely a rematch on the same night, a win is a win and losing is losing , end of story


I won't bother with a list of the bad points, they are listed throughout this thread.

[Ferrari Tifosi]

I have been reading VG and Sdwey's posts, I understand what they are saying. Desolate area, nobody around, I understand that. My arguement is that you never know, something can happen and someone could by chance be wandering around that area. It may be unlikely but it can happen. Racing is dangerous even when its done at the track, but I feel that it is even more so when done illegally on street roads. Doesn't make sense to me to do it on the street when you can do it on a track.

[Matra et Alpine]

Desolate area, nobody around, I understand that. My arguement is that you never know, something can happen and someone could by chance be wandering around that area. It may be unlikely but it can happen.
It might be this guy .... :) .....
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40015000/jpg/_40015536_protesterap203.jpg

... and if it is please go faster !!!!!

[vg30det]

Who's going to get hurt, hmmmmm, what's that word I've been repeating over and over again. INNOCENT PEOPLE,


For the millionth time what INNOCENT PEOPLE?
They'd have to walk through the paddocks to get to the road and by the time the got to the road they be well awear of what's going on....



whether it's someone walking a dog, or the guy walking to work who doesn't have a car.


Well unless his job is shagging sheep he'll have at least a 3 hour walk to work.
in NZ rural = no people.....



Street racing cannot be controlled therefore it is never anywhere near as safe as track racing which can be controlled to a point. You never know about some random guy who happens to be wandering around the area you're racing, you never know, that's the problem.

...and it's also the thrill

That's the last time I'll be trying to explaine this to you.....

[vg30det]

Well this has
VG30, don't even bother trying to explain yourself. Unless you actually enjoy talking to brickwalls.

I've given up with Ferrari. Have you ever noticed that some people only hear what they want to hear, dosen't seem to matter what I say about there being no one around he still has magical people turning up in the middle of the road.... Not to mention that there was no responce to the direct question I asked about base jumping..... I think he's ignoring the too hard questions :cool:

[vg30det]

would you go back the next day or next week and do it all again, knowing the dangers of what happened previously?

Yep, I've see some dings....I saw a car swipe a pole and rip a door off. That's the whole thrill of it something can go wrong, it's up to you to check your equipment and we all check the "track" for pot holes and debris first.....
Like I say it's like base jumping.....

[SlickHolden]

It's always safer at the track, Sometimes it's a shame you got to pay a little out, They should have a one day per month race day quater miles fastest to 160Kp/h, 0-100 times, Some track racing all pay $5 per person you get everyone turning up :D
Like a mini summernats but not :D

[vg30det]

You claim to have all risks minimized, sideroads blocked off, a very remote area where the only people there are people who are in attendence and are there solely by choice. Good for you for having that much sense.

But I ask you, haven't you just created your own track/strip where the only differences are the lack of emergency rescue personel, proper timing equipment to declare an out-right winner and proper lighting. How is this more of an adrenaline rush?


The biggie is that if things go wrong like you say the lack of emergency rescue personel. It's like the difference playing poker with match sticks vs playing with your own money for keeps.

It's all so the ritual of the evening getting the txt, preping the car, catching up with mates for a fun evening of racing where we could get rolled by the cops, So there's the stick it to the man aspect as well.



Other than the fact that you are deciding the location of your "track", and could change it at any time for any reason. You have essentially removed all the components of a street-race good (see below)and bad and are left with a race on a road that is used by the public in daylight hours and street-legal cars (tho racing something that turns in only a 16.5 is totally laughable, you might want to try 10 speeds or wheelchairs).


I said it was my van that did the 16sec BTW this weekend the carbs coming of and I'm injecting it. Did I mention that I have a silvia with a worked CA and the turbo from my VG on it (they are BB and have a ceramic turbine) that kicks my vans arse. There's mostly V8's but there's also a guy with a 600HP skyline that does 11sec on the real track. There's even a '70's capri with a turbo'ed 2L that pulls good numbers. BTW the ¼'s aren't timed they are head to head with 3 judges at the end.



I can't even consider you to be a real "street-racer", just a fool with a mis-guided ego that wants to be an idiot street-racer.


I'm a fool because we take prcautions so we don't risk the lives of innocent people?

You are the fool for posting this list on promoting ways to kill other innocent road users.... and you are a "Super moderator" is that for super idiot.
what a looser.....



Ok, so I claimed there are good and bad elements of street-racing, this is going to be hard to explain, but I'll try.
Good points(for lack of a better description):
SPONTANEITY - you have precious little prep time, your either 100% ready or you lose


Ask any extreme sports person or stunt man if they'd ever "jump" with out checking their equipment or "track" ...they'll call you an idiot to your face.
Not to mention just like Ferrari kept bleating at me you are risking the lives of innocent people.... and you say I've got a mis guided ego and I'm a wannabe for keeping innocents out of it?
You might think differently if your GF/wife/kid got killed for SPONTANEITY.



RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG - Talk is cheap, saying you plan on getting this or doing that means nothing, you have what you have and thats all.


How is that any different to our drags, or track drags?



ONE SHOT DEAL - You only have the one chance to win, there is rarely a rematch on the same night, a win is a win and losing is losing , end of story



So luck again comes in to your idea of street draging...... I can see it now some guy is sitting at the lights in his skyline you roll up next to him, lights go green you fang it away, he drives off.... you think you have "won" another race.....



I won't bother with a list of the bad points, they are listed throughout this thread.

You don't need to you're a "super Mod" who's promoting risking other innocent peoples lives. Ferrari you can give him the non stop "innocents walking on to track speach" as I agree with you.... but what would I know as I'm just a wannbe.....

I don't give a what you think of me but your list of good points of street racing is exactly what kills innocent people who didn't have a choice. Read this you dumb arse http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3020287a10,00.html now tell me how SPONTANEITY is a good point. How would you like it if it was your wife and child in the car that got hit????

Grow a brain........................

[SlickHolden]

Speed is dangerous, Others who take your life into there hands just for fun need to look in the mirror, But i don't think movies can be blammed it's to easy that way, You just need to know it's fiction and it's not for local streets leave it for the track :D

[The Tuner]

orite vg....
so you have a point.
you and ure mates obviously check and double check your equipment and all...
and i'm kinda (note: KINDA) beginning to agree with watever u have said here. perhaps ferrari and the others are being a little far-fetched in bringing dog-walkers and all here.
but 2 things:
1) plz keep the insults out of this. and plz dont claim tht u didnt REALLY insult coz u put "--" instead of letters....keep it clean. no1 here enjoys insults, and its not because we're immature or sumthing, everyone here keeps a certain level of respect alive. if you wana swear, there is the "swearing thread" and another thread made just for letting out steam. go there.

2) i pray this never happens to you...
u said tht there have been some near misses and all...now while you may not be the most-loved member on ucp, im sure u have your best friends n all...how wud you like it if they were in that "near-miss", the only difference being that it wasnt "near" and it wasnt a "miss"...it was more like a "direct hit"....and you lost your best friend? or sum1 u really cared about....i lost a friend 2 months ago. 2:30 am, deserted road....as much as i disagree with wat u may say because i know it is wrong, i still hope you never have to go through the loss. u mentioned u already have lost a few friends...u wana lose sum more??

it seems rather glaringly obvious that we can keep posting and we arent gonna change your views on racing. btw, ferrai n the lot arent really against you, they're agaisnt street racing. atleast they care enough about the lives of people they dont even know to try and convince a die-hard street racing fan like you to stop...the day they give up in desperation is the day a lot of misguided youths will start...and die perhaps...

u wana go on with it? go ahead. not to sound patronising or anything, but u have been warned of the possible dangers. yes, yes, u know it all already, but they're just being said out loud here. if u insist on continuing, how about u go on with wat uve alwyz done, and perhaps leave this forum. it obviously isnt too much fun for you or any1 else involved.


drive safely, and keep racing for the tracks.

[The Tuner]

i tried not to use msn-glish, but cudnt help it at the end....

sorry any1 who cudnt make sense of the ending...

[vg30det]

orite vg....
so you have a point.
you and ure mates obviously check and double check your equipment and all...
and i'm kinda (note: KINDA) beginning to agree with watever u have said here. perhaps ferrari and the others are being a little far-fetched in bringing dog-walkers and all here.


Thanks for actually reading what I'm saying....



but 2 things:
1) plz keep the insults out of this. and plz dont claim tht u didnt REALLY insult coz u put "--" instead of letters....keep it clean.


Ok, I'll go back and edit them out..... I just type how i talk.



2) i pray this never happens to you...
u said tht there have been some near misses and all...now while you may not be the most-loved member on ucp, im sure u have your best friends n all...how wud you like it if they were in that "near-miss", the only difference being that it wasnt "near" and it wasnt a "miss"...it was more like a "direct hit"....and you lost your best friend? or sum1 u really cared about....i lost a friend 2 months ago. 2:30 am, deserted road....as much as i disagree with wat u may say because i know it is wrong, i still hope you never have to go through the loss. u mentioned u already have lost a few friends...u wana lose sum more??


Firstly sorry about your mate :(

I know what you are getting at I truely do but that's also a big part of the kick, the whole playing for keeps. Ask any adreline junkie if they could do their chosen activaity and be 100% sure they were safe would it be as much fun. For me as long as it's my friends choice it's up to them what they do....



it seems rather glaringly obvious that we can keep posting and we arent gonna change your views on racing. btw, ferrai n the lot arent really against you, they're agaisnt street racing. atleast they care enough about the lives of people they dont even know to try and convince a die-hard street racing fan like you to stop...the day they give up in desperation is the day a lot of misguided youths will start...and die perhaps...


Fair enough, personally my view if the drive crashes his problem.... it's the innocents that have no choice that worry me. If I crash, my problem, if the other driver hits me for what ever reason, once again my problem as I chose to be there, killing someone walking down the road because *I* lost it.....not acceptable.



u wana go on with it? go ahead. not to sound patronising or anything, but u have been warned of the possible dangers. yes, yes, u know it all already, but they're just being said out loud here. if u insist on continuing, how about u go on with wat uve alwyz done, and perhaps leave this forum. it obviously isnt too much fun for you or any1 else involved.


I'd disagree a wee bit with you.....hopefully anyone who does street racing and isn't going to change will think about the safety of bystanders first....

[F1_Master]

We get a few, but ever since the drag strip opened "Saturday Night Street" it's cut down, really. I go every chance I get.

[Ferrari Tifosi]

Sorry if I came off as ignorant, and not reading the posts, I am. However I feel very strongly about this subject, and my opinion won't change. I be the first to admit that I am a stubborn person.

[fpv_gtho]

Yep, I've see some dings....I saw a car swipe a pole and rip a door off. That's the whole thrill of it something can go wrong, it's up to you to check your equipment and we all check the "track" for pot holes and debris first.....
Like I say it's like base jumping.....


i can understand to an extent people trying something for the thrill of it. but those people who will continually do something even after seeing the dangers and consequences of their actions, saying they need a reality check would be an understatement

[NoOne]

I see that I left my post wide-open for interpretation, and of course you took advantage of that to turn it around 180 degrees.

I thought I had made it quite clear that I am deadset against street racing, and when I posted the "good points", I did say "for lack of a better description", what I meant was these are the points that make it so appealing for many people, there cannot be any real good points to something that endangers participants, onlookers and the general public.

My entire post was meant to point out that the way you set up your races, leaves very little to chance (which is almost commendable), but also leaves me wondering why you do not just use a proper track, where it already has the same(or better) precautions you have taken and adds more of a safety margin.

I'm not trying to argue a point, just trying to make you aware that I have been there, done that, recognized the possible complications and have moved on to what I consider a much better scene. I'll also add that most real racers (meaning not racing street cars) look down on street racers and therefore are reluctant to offer advice (tips and tricks) and assistance let alone the loan of a fuel pump (for example), etc, to get you home.

I see I'm not going to change your mind, which is a shame, I can just be thankful we don't share any roads.

[The Tuner]

Thanks for actually reading what I'm saying....
....
I know what you are getting at I truely do but that's also a big part of the kick, the whole playing for keeps. Ask any adreline junkie if they could do their chosen activaity and be 100% sure they were safe would it be as much fun. For me as long as it's my friends choice it's up to them what they do....
....
Fair enough, personally my view if the drive crashes his problem.... it's the innocents that have no choice that worry me.
...
I'd disagree a wee bit with you.....hopefully anyone who does street racing and isn't going to change will think about the safety of bystanders first....

thumbs up to you buddy, and to ferrari as well for being such a man about it. u both have shown that u are indeed more than 10 yrs old!
:D
j/k.

we were all being a little stubborn...n thnx to vg for agreeing to edit his posts as well. i understand perfectly wat u mean about something that s 100% safe not being as much fun anymore, i luv taking risks myself.

and im sure your last statement includes u in it, that you arent going to leave street racing, so that is your choice. hopefully everything wil stay safe, and you will grow up to become as old and wise as NoOne here...

:D

now that every1's all kool wit this, allow me to be the first to welcome u to ucp, n hopefully none of the other threads u will participate in will come even close to what this started of as....

*bows out...*

[crisis]

...and it's also the thrill

That's the last time I'll be trying to explaine this to you.....
You were going ok until that. Your desire for thrills should not be accomodated by others safety. I was becomong more convinced you were at least approaching this in a responsible way but with that mentality im no longer sure.

[crisis]

The biggie is that if things go wrong like you say the lack of emergency rescue personel. It's like the difference playing poker with match sticks vs playing with your own money for keeps.

I would say its nothing like playing poker for match stick or money unless you consider your life to be worth no more than money. How can a 8 second hard on be worth risking your life? You claim to be respnsible in your prep for these races but so many of your comments reek of irresponsiblity, selfishness and immaturity.