Car platforms

[SlickHolden]

I have seen this Pontiac Soltice. Which is built on kappa i think, Anyway something that has crossed my mind of late is what does a platform look like beofre the car is built on it ?
Cause the thing i'm intrested in is what it starts as and then what is built on it, Because after seeing the torana concept and Pontiac Soltice, they looked like they were from differnt worlds. :cool:

[Slicks]

Heres some pics of the actual Solstice chassis, sry couldnt find any basic Kappa pics
http://www.fast-autos.net/pontiac/solstice20.jpg
http://www.fast-autos.net/pontiac/solstice21.jpg

[Distress]

That's it, the Solstics platform; well actually, take away the wheels, engine, and interior materials, then you have the platform.

The Solstic, like a lot of today’s cars, uses a unitized construction (also said as: unibody, or unitbody). Basically, the metal body, floor pan, and chassis form a single structure. It's usually lighter and more rigid (important for the Solstic) over the basic body-on-frame assembly; where the metal body structure is attached to a separate chassis frame. Trucks and SUVs are known for there body-on-frame construction, not to rigid really :rolleyes:

[SlickHolden]

Now is that the kappa platform ??

[fpv_gtho]

For platforms just think of the floorplan....2 cars sharing a platform, if engineered right, can look completely different but share the same wheelbases, tracks, room for engine, drive layout etc. just the bare basic things i guess that determine its overall image

[SlickHolden]

So if that is the kappa How did holden get the torana to look like that ? it looks longer and heaps bigger, Is it a Modafied version like the Holden Platform is ?
Don't ask me why all of a sudden but i'm really intrested in this stuff cause i really have not seen or payed very much attension in the past till now:)

[fpv_gtho]

Have a look at the Chevy Nomad concept and you'll see another car based on Kappa.....Compare it to the Solstice and look at the similarities, but also see its flexibility

[SlickHolden]

Looks like a panel van with a chopped roof, So you can really build anything of a platform you just stretch it:) http://www.detnews.com/pix/2004/01/07/0biz/b007-nomad-0104y-4.jpg

[fpv_gtho]

There wasnt any stretching, but from the same base theyve made a wagon and a convertible

[sunce]

did anyone wathc Bathurst today?
I can't belieive John Bowe didin't win!

[fpv_gtho]

wrong thread buddy

[SlickHolden]

So then Holden made the hatch?

[Blue Supra]

OMIGAWSH!!! i want a new Torana! 280kw of twin turboed V6!!! RWD and i feel like a little kid when he sees a cool ride. I just wont stop talking about one till i get one!

[SlickHolden]

Yeah i wouldn't mind one myself, Just give me man colors lol:D

[Blue Supra]

Def NOT a fan of the pink and white colours but give it a bright red exterior and a matching leather interior id sooo be into that!

[SlickHolden]

That intiria is so future look, Maybe that's why the white??
Maybe what every color you have the inside will be with the white:)

[fpv_gtho]

I personally dont mind the colour scheme, hey it grabs your attention at least...

Holden wont produce it with those figures though, It'll kill the GTS by day 1

[SlickHolden]

Yes very true, And i really can't see some of that intiria execpt that centre of the dash, That is VE maybe ?

[fpv_gtho]

could be, but i wouldnt expect much this early, for such a significant model. maybe they'll produce something for Melbourne that'll be completely different interior wise, yet still similar so people think of VE, then another Syndey 2005 as well

[SlickHolden]

I think they try to confuse us with stuff, And most of the time the truth was right in front of us in plain view lol :D

now that post could also confuse lol :p

[Blue Supra]

:confused:

You're right about it killing the GTS, but damn it would start a whole new sub-culture like the XR6T did... and id soo be in it!:)

[SlickHolden]

But if the GTS got 7lt then the Torana wouldn't kill it, Unless HSV made one, And i guess they wouldn't mind getting there hands on one:D
Also if Holden do build it, There will be differn't models a FWD plus RWD Turbo and Nonturbo, But if they could AWD it there could be a Competitor for WRX :)
But in it's current form it could kill the SS if lower in price :eek:

[Colty]

Id imagine it would also be very light like the like old toranas giving it a big advantage

[fpv_gtho]

They wont put Torana and FWD together noway, but it could start something up again. im wondering if Holden and Ford for that matter, are willing to consider medium sized local cars with the potential to rob the large cars of their performance buyers. I suppose though if you take the Commodore's average of 6000 sales a month and consider if it dropped to 5000, but with 2000 Torana's, Holden still comes out ahead.

[SlickHolden]

Ahhh good point, They might lose in one area but gain 1000 extra overall :D
Maybe the TTV6 isn't a good idea just yet but the torana is.
They could make a coupe out of it, a 4door and The hatch.
Wonder if they will look at a smaller capacity engine for base models ?
But if ford and Holden built smaller cars they could steal some sales from toyota mitsubishi, I think anyone that owns a Current Vectra would have a torana in a heart beat :)

Your getting close to the magic 7 mark :D:D

[fpv_gtho]

Anyway they look at it, Holdens stuck with their mantra.....they wont be able to get away with a large RWD coupe, medium RWD coupe/hatch/sedan or small RWD coupe/hatch/sedan without it being labelled a 21st century Monaro, Torana or Gemini.....Theyve got the possibility i think for a 2.8L Alloytec which could work as a good base engine against the Commy's 3.6, but it'd be getting tedious i think

[SlickHolden]

You might get the torana fathfull screaming about a 2.8L lol:D I can just hear them now,,, Thats to bloody small ra ra ra ra bla bla bla... But really it isn't at all. Could be good for a ladys :D Adn the pink also :eek: yuk :D

[Luciferous]

I think all Holden needs to do to avoid killing the GTS is just bring back the SLR nameplate, that way both models can have massive performance and be different enough to not take sales away from each other

[SlickHolden]

I think all Holden needs to do to avoid killing the GTS is just bring back the SLR nameplate, that way both models can have massive performance and be different enough to not take sales away from each other
I remeber HSV did a SLR Model :eek: they really made it crap :(

[Slicks]

got any pics of this torana? I dont think ive seen one before...

[Blue Supra]

link:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/frame.php?file=car.php&carnum=2101

[fpv_gtho]

Wouter got in pretty quick with the page on the Torana there...

[Blue Supra]

Hes a good man that Wouter, ill have to buy him a beer one day!:D

[fpv_gtho]

haha yep, if your ever in the Netherlands one day i think anyone here would :p

[Blue Supra]

Well im going to france for the rugby world cup... is that close enough?

[fpv_gtho]

haha well its driving distance at least....you might have trouble getting hold of a car that someone'll let you do some long distance driving though

[Blue Supra]

stuff me driving there! If im buyin hes drivin!;)

[fpv_gtho]

Its not all that far, Europes by no means a small place compared to here, but theres not much between the Netherlands and France :p

[Blue Supra]

ill just rent me a lambo or something similar and go for it, get there in ten mins:p

[SlickHolden]

Hes a good man that Wouter, ill have to buy him a beer one day!:D
Your in the good books now mate lol :p :D

[Matra et Alpine]

but theres not much between the Netherlands and France :p
Only BELGIUM :)

[fpv_gtho]

matra, some people here will drive from one side of the country to the other (Perth to Melbourne) in their XR6T, to run it in, get an APS kit fitted, then run THAT in.....:P

i dont think Belgium's much of an issue...:D

[Matra et Alpine]

matra, some people here will drive from one side of the country to the other (Perth to Melbourne) in their XR6T, to run it in, get an APS kit fitted, then run THAT in.....:P

i dont think Belgium's much of an issue...:D
:) good point gfpv, it's easy to forget how big Oz is - kind of puts Belgium into persepective :)

But, all those people !! 10M Belgians , only half the size of Aus :)

[fpv_gtho]

haha yeah, they reckon that we're like so many times bigger than the UK, but you'd never fit the people in here

[Colty]

Trouble is every1 sticks to the coastlines, too bad the middle of Aus is....desert :(

[fpv_gtho]

its a bit ironic....its all sand on the inside and no one wants to be stuck there, but on the edges its sand as well, but everyones more than happy to be there

[Colty]

well at least things grow on the edge sand :P

[fpv_gtho]

you'd probably be surprised how much the sand goes into the coastline.....i was driving up to Port Stephens not that long ago, and maybe only 10km from the coast, you could see all the sand in the ground, especially the hills....

[Colty]

10km :O !! what does that signify, a long time a mega tsunami came along and put all the sand there ><

[fpv_gtho]

lol maybe, i doubt it though.......All up there its like swampland and stuff though so maybe its just a place that just recently came out of the water

[Colty]

Well thousand or millions of years ago sydney to Newcastle was just ONE BIG swamp, thats why theres so much coal around the area.

[fpv_gtho]

well i think anythings possible......the reason why theres the great dividing range is cause the tectonic plate that NOW is cutting NZ in half, used to be halfway between NSW, VIC and QLD

[Colty]

fek it has a name too, the great dividing range has some sort of special fault name, where the area below it is flat (sydney) and its a rapid increase in height(medlow bath - katoomba) then its practically a very very slow descend(lithgow - bathurst - so forth)

[fpv_gtho]

Yeah, i went right over them to Bathurst once, and all the altitudes they put on all the towns going up there was quickly going up to 1000m, then started going down to about 800 slowly, then suddenly jumped down to 600 at Oberon and Bathurst

[Colty]

hehe the topic is car platforms and here we are talking about australian geography :P

[fpv_gtho]

you obviously havent been here as long as i have :p

[whiteballz]

yea, remember the time we were talking about sydney and st marys in my holden and ford both suck thread? that was funny

[Colty]

well april 2003 vs jun 2004 :<

[fpv_gtho]

haha yeah, now that you mention it i think i do.....considering i LIVE in st marys :p

[whiteballz]

thats what i mean :P

[fpv_gtho]

well april 2003 vs jun 2004 :<

i signed up on the 3rd day of the forums.....me and crisis have seen it aaallllllllllll :p

[Colty]

well i cant compete with 7000 posts =P

[fpv_gtho]

gaaaawwwwd..........whats the big deal about 7000 posts? :p :D

[whiteballz]

7000 = spam! no matter how long youve been with the site

[fpv_gtho]

bloody hell :p

so now everyone over 2000 posts is a spammer, or just those with 2000 more than the next guy :p

[whiteballz]

no, everyone over 1,431 :D

[Colty]

I think the most ive even had on a forum is 600 :O

[fpv_gtho]

no, everyone over 1,431 :D

i think alot of the regular members here wont like that :p

[whiteballz]

well now i am a spammer
so i guess they will just laugh!

[Colty]

See now were talking about post counts lawl

[fpv_gtho]

nah, now your right on your self imposed limit :p

they wouldve laughed anyway

[Blue Supra]

we have a habit of deviating off topic here in the aussie threads, more commonly so then anywhere else iv noticed:D but thats just the wat us aussies are i spose! i love it!

[SlickHolden]

That's right mate, Aussie's can make a house outta match sticks, We can make a conversation out of wet paint, We are just bloody good :D:D:D Nothing we can't do:D

[danno]

lol!!

except block out indias spin attack it seems :(

if anything over 2000 posts counts as a spammer, then i guess im pretty stuffed then on sc.net :(

[SlickHolden]

lol.. Hey i get foxtel Wednesday i can watch the 3rd test woohoo finally :D

Something is finally going right,,, I have the worst ISP phone company in the world. And if i said there name i might get sued lol:eek: That's my luck :d

[danno]

lol.. Hey i get foxtel Wednesday i can watch the 3rd test woohoo finally :D

Something is finally going right,,, I have the worst ISP phone company in the world. And if i said there name i might get sued lol:eek: That's my luck :d

lol!!

optus is great, you should change over. we have phone and 12gb cable internet plan for $90 a month or something like that. dont know exactly how much but its pretty good. nice speeds (gets up to around 1mb/s downloading from aussie sites) and very good customer service.

[SlickHolden]

lol!!

optus is great, you should change over. we have phone and 12gb cable internet plan for $90 a month or something like that. dont know exactly how much but its pretty good. nice speeds (gets up to around 1mb/s downloading from aussie sites) and very good customer service.
I can't get underground cable to my unit telstra won't do it, And my phone line is pairegain so there goes ASDL also.
I'm on this shitty thing called primus one... As much as i hate them it's a great deal for me, pay $55 That includes line rental plus dial up internet, And free local phone calls up to 1,000 per month. And my dial up internet is unlimeted, Plus i get 24Hour connections so all up it's probley the best dial up access i can get, But i really dislike primus they are fools, Not Long ago i was offline for 7 days cause they stuffed me up, Last night was off also, The dick heads gave me 2 accounts and i was paying one but the other was the account i should have been paying the money into, If i knew :eek:
Anyway wile i was paying account 1 Account 2 was behind and they cut me off, Rang up found out they transferd the money to the right account and closed account 1 all problems fixed i hope :D:D

[whiteballz]

wow, they do sound like fools!

i want to buy a new mobile, found one too, but i dont know wether i want to buy that phone or a mini ipod/mp3 player in general

[fpv_gtho]

I can't get underground cable to my unit telstra won't do it, And my phone line is pairegain so there goes ASDL also.
I'm on this shitty thing called primus one... As much as i hate them it's a great deal for me, pay $55 That includes line rental plus dial up internet, And free local phone calls up to 1,000 per month. And my dial up internet is unlimeted, Plus i get 24Hour connections so all up it's probley the best dial up access i can get, But i really dislike primus they are fools, Not Long ago i was offline for 7 days cause they stuffed me up, Last night was off also, The dick heads gave me 2 accounts and i was paying one but the other was the account i should have been paying the money into, If i knew :eek:
Anyway wile i was paying account 1 Account 2 was behind and they cut me off, Rang up found out they transferd the money to the right account and closed account 1 all problems fixed i hope :D:D

I've got optus with everything: cable, dialup and phone.......

its under $30 a month for the internet with unlimited hours and downloads and its a pretty decent connection. i cant remember how much the TV is :p

[SlickHolden]

Optus and telstra won't deal with me :) No cable no ADSL not good :) I need alphalink wireless, It is moving towards me now could be 1 year away :(

[fpv_gtho]

aw well, their loss i suppose if you look at it from a customers view

[SlickHolden]

To get cable underground i would need permission from the body corp, + they would need to foot the bill, Which would be more then $2,000. They won't pay and i havent won keno yet lol. :D
ADSL my phone line is Pairgain so it will not support ADSL, If they come and replace the phone line it will cost me $250 Sounds good, But here is the catch, The hole area is pairgain it's telstra's cheap way of laying line down, Save's them $$$$. Now they can't do it anymore but 7 years to late for me.
So i can pay the $250 for a new line but because the hole area is pairgain they will need to fix everyone's they wont bother it's a bill of 10's of millions to replace all that, So my area is only 7 years old but shit old underground with low tech phone lines :(
Bloody telstra :(

[fpv_gtho]

sounds like you guys got screwed around with pretty bad......best city in the world 2 years in a row you reckon: :p

[SlickHolden]

This is the western sububrs mate :Dlol they treat us crap out here:(
You won't belive telstra's explanation over it they blame the develaper for telling them to go cheap on the lines :eek: That's telstra shifting the blame always :D

Superman is on now :eek:

[fpv_gtho]

im in the western suburbs here.....its not all that bad really, except for all the westies giving the area a bad name. i guess you could always move :p

[charged]

To get cable underground i would need permission from the body corp, + they would need to foot the bill, Which would be more then $2,000. They won't pay and i havent won keno yet lol. :D
ADSL my phone line is Pairgain so it will not support ADSL, If they come and replace the phone line it will cost me $250 Sounds good, But here is the catch, The hole area is pairgain it's telstra's cheap way of laying line down, Save's them $$$$. Now they can't do it anymore but 7 years to late for me.
So i can pay the $250 for a new line but because the hole area is pairgain they will need to fix everyone's they wont bother it's a bill of 10's of millions to replace all that, So my area is only 7 years old but shit old underground with low tech phone lines :(
Bloody telstra :(

Slick I feel sorry for you mate either your on a Digital 4,2channel(Shit copper),a rim,rcm(fibre but doesnt support ADSL) these are the biggest abortions ever,I put a shitload of them in SA metro & country when the internet was far and few between,Telstra are rolling out some equipment called c muxes these support ADSL hope you get one in your area soon. :)

[danno]

dont worry, wireless cable is coming. most of the metropolitan suburbs can get it now (we can get it in hornsby), and soon they will start expanding out west. im not sure what the speed is like, but ive heard its pretty fast.

edit: that sounds pretty ratarded, seeing as wireless = no cable :D
what i really meant is wireless internet at cable speeds.

[fpv_gtho]

wireless ADSL or some crap.....the stuff ice seen so far i think its midway between dialup and normal broadband as far as speed goes

[danno]

wireless ADSL or some crap.....the stuff ice seen so far i think its midway between dialup and normal broadband as far as speed goes

ok, i heard that its around cable speed atm, except for the outer edges of where you can get it. if your right in the middle i expect speeds would be pretty good. the best part about it is, you can take your laptop anywhere you like and still be connected to the internet.

[Matra et Alpine]

wireless ADSL or some crap.....the stuff ice seen so far i think its midway between dialup and normal broadband as far as speed goes
The newer metropolitan wireless technologies are good for 2Mb deployed NOW and have the advantage of being symmetrical so te same up and down speeds.
You can sometimes push to get community hubs set up. All it takes is a network location within a 2-5 mile radius - so still probably not what Australia needs :)

[SlickHolden]

im in the western suburbs here.....its not all that bad really, except for all the westies giving the area a bad name. i guess you could always move :p
I'd still stay in the West. But this is my mum's unit through Housing Comission so we kind of stuck here for now, Till she gets the big payout fingers crossed.

dont worry, wireless cable is coming. most of the metropolitan suburbs can get it now (we can get it in hornsby), and soon they will start expanding out west. im not sure what the speed is like, but ive heard its pretty fast.

edit: that sounds pretty ratarded, seeing as wireless = no cable :D
what i really meant is wireless internet at cable speeds.
I think it's in Essedon, I'm In sunshine it's close

Slick I feel sorry for you mate either your on a Digital 4,2channel(Shit copper),a rim,rcm(fibre but doesnt support ADSL) these are the biggest abortions ever,I put a shitload of them in SA metro & country when the internet was far and few between,Telstra are rolling out some equipment called c muxes these support ADSL hope you get one in your area soon. :)
That copper sounds familiar ??
You know the worst thing, My mate in unit 1 has telstra cable, But i'm down the back at unit 4 so they won't give it to me :(
I'm like 14Foot away from the cable it hurts :(
My mate was gunna shove a cable over to me but the drive and other units get in the way lol I said no mate it's allright :D

Bring on the c muxes pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

wireless ADSL or some crap.....the stuff ice seen so far i think its midway between dialup and normal broadband as far as speed goes
This alphlink wireless they have 256k-512-1024k i thini. But they also have 2MB deal which is differn't.
I would love 56k right now lol but i would be happy 112k-256k Anything is better then 31.2k.

The newer metropolitan wireless technologies are good for 2Mb deployed NOW and have the advantage of being symmetrical so te same up and down speeds.
You can sometimes push to get community hubs set up. All it takes is a network location within a 2-5 mile radius - so still probably not what Australia needs :)
www.alphalink.com.au Check it out mate :D it's here :D But not in my area just yet.

[SlickHolden]

Slick I feel sorry for you mate either your on a Digital 4,2channel(Shit copper),a rim,rcm(fibre but doesnt support ADSL) these are the biggest abortions ever,I put a shitload of them in SA metro & country when the internet was far and few between,Telstra are rolling out some equipment called c muxes these support ADSL hope you get one in your area soon. :)
That copper sounds familiar ??
You know the worst thing, My mate in unit 1 has telstra cable, But i'm down the back at unit 4 so they won't give it to me :(
I'm like 14Foot away from the cable it hurts :(
My mate was gunna shove a cable over to me but the drive and other units get in the way lol I said no mate it's allright :D

Bring on the c muxes pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D

[Matra et Alpine]

That copper sounds familiar ??
You know the worst thing, My mate in unit 1 has telstra cable, But i'm down the back at unit 4 so they won't give it to me :(
How far away is your mate ?

You could sling 802.11g over a couple of miles with a directional aerial ( home made out of pringles tubes - SERIOUSLY :) )

About $70 for gateway oin his network and card in your PC :)

[Blue Supra]

wireless is insecure but, anyone with a wireless card and a laptop and can hax your network if its not secured right. At some of the schools ive worked in theyve had wireless set up, as a test of security i brought in my laptop with wireless card, haxed their network inside 10 mins and was sucking up their 2mb pipeline....
if you get wireless make sure its DAMN tight security wise or youll have leeches comin out the wazoo!

[SlickHolden]

How far away is your mate ?

You could sling 802.11g over a couple of miles with a directional aerial ( home made out of pringles tubes - SERIOUSLY :) )

About $70 for gateway oin his network and card in your PC :)
I would guess but maybe 15 meters from my front door to his back door, I can snap a pic of the distance, But there are 2 units to the left and everything is underground:(

[Blue Supra]

like he said but, a few miles with the righ gear, wireless on its own will cover 15 metres easy:)

[SlickHolden]

Also to telstra there is Only one Residents here. Not 4 units how incompatant can they get lol:D
I was told this over the phone i said hang on to them wen't outside ROLFPMSL:D
Wen't back in and said F Me dead i see 4 :D

[fpv_gtho]

some people just dont have a clue do they :p

[SlickHolden]

I know i'm scared that someone like that runs the countrys :eek: :D

[fpv_gtho]

but someone does...........:p

[SlickHolden]

but someone does...........:p
:eek: ... I hope telstra doesn't get privatized it's bad enough now :p

[fpv_gtho]

well with that idiot in government getting more control than he had before, anything could happen

[SlickHolden]

well with that idiot in government getting more control than he had before, anything could happen
I know i can't belive the swing in his way, It was a shock, There was never any signs of this comming :eek: Another 3 years with big eye brows again :(

[fpv_gtho]

maybe he'll get the whitlam treatment after the first time he tries to use the senate to his advantage :p

[Colty]

Im on a RIM! cant get ADSL etc so im on ISDN :o with Ozforces who give low pings if u like gaming ;)

[danno]

i dont see whats wrong with howard. (well i do sort of but hes so much better than mark laitham (im not even sure thats spelled right) its not funny. i would so much rather him in than anyone else that was running.

[fpv_gtho]

i never had a problem with him, but im just getting sick of him and hes getting worse and worse. the way he's dealing with Iraq and the US is a complete joke

[Matra et Alpine]

I would guess but maybe 15 meters from my front door to his back door, I can snap a pic of the distance, But there are 2 units to the left and everything is underground:(
I'd talk to your mate (quietly).
Share some of his monthly costs for connection and link your PC to his with 802.11g. As BS says, jsut set it up to it's highest security and you're OK and DONT do network shares on anythingf personal between you !!
Oh and don't tell his ISP what you're doing and remove it if they come around. ISPs dont' let you do that normally and will ask you to remove it if caught.

[Blue Supra]

^^^
smart man matra, i mean, he just knows EVERYTHING!
i cant wait to get over 40:D:p j/k

[charged]

I know i can't belive the swing in his way, It was a shock, There was never any signs of this comming :eek: Another 3 years with big eye brows again :(Know what u mean slick aussie public got sucked in by intrest rates,when i bought my house when rates where 17% cost me about 800 a month on 80k now if i was to buy a house 7% 1500 a month on 250k and if interest rates go up Im screwed,nephew just built a house, about 250k borrowed just had a second kid if rates go up will be very tight.So a we really better of with low interest rates and sky high house prices or high interest rates and low house prices.Also the libs said interest rates will go up if labour get in,when in reality goverments have very little influence on interest rated their goverened by world rates.Well thats my rant over and done with.

[fpv_gtho]

my mum tells me though that high interest rates are a result of a strong economy though...so if its really the case, its a bit of a trade off

[Blue Supra]

If the government runs the economy into the ground tho, the interest rates go up to pay for the taxes and stuf the govt either cuts or needs to fund stuff...

[charged]

my mum tells me though that high interest rates are a result of a strong economy though...so if its really the case, its a bit of a trade offStrong economy is good if you are well paid and employed,friends of mine are on $15 an hour he will tell you what he thinks of a strong economy,he hasnt reaped any benefits from the boom all that has happened with him is his cost of living -rent,car,food cost have gone up not everybody is fortunate enough to reap the benefits of a strong economy.Im lucky both my wife and I have good jobs that pay well,but i would hate to live like my mate he does it very bloody tuff. :(

[fpv_gtho]

well i suppose theres the views of the people and whats good for them, and its alot different to whats good to the country as a whole

[Blue Supra]

im lucky, i used to live off 50 bucks a week, now i work full time, massive differnce, but im still a stingy prick:p

[fpv_gtho]

well i suppose theres good and bad points to that...you can get through rough times a bit easier, but then theres all the other things with being a stingy prick :p

[SlickHolden]

Know what u mean slick aussie public got sucked in by intrest rates,when i bought my house when rates where 17% cost me about 800 a month on 80k now if i was to buy a house 7% 1500 a month on 250k and if interest rates go up Im screwed,nephew just built a house, about 250k borrowed just had a second kid if rates go up will be very tight.So a we really better of with low interest rates and sky high house prices or high interest rates and low house prices.Also the libs said interest rates will go up if labour get in,when in reality goverments have very little influence on interest rated their goverened by world rates.Well thats my rant over and done with.
But one thing he Didn't say was intrest rates won't go up under lib, But he did say they would be lower, But didn't say they wont go up,
I think the experts know there stuff, The reseve bank sets intrest rates not the Gov, So i will be watching the rates and when they move up i hope he gets stoned on that bluff, Cause it could have got him back in power,
But hey if the intrest rates go up .05 .1 anything, Grab yourself a Little jonny doll and stick neddles in it lol:D He has made people scared to buy a house at any price, I won't buy i'll wait for keno :D ;)

[SlickHolden]

My mate drives trucks, He was on about $37,000 per year, He left that job and now in his new job of about 16months He gets $49,000. And you won't belive this he looks no better off now, About 10 years ago when i was on the doll, Life seemed much more easy then now, Back then i got a playstation, Bed, Stereo, Car, We had what we wanted, Now i have twice as much money and can't do anything like that, The only thing i have spent a bit of money on over the last 3 years is this PC. I feel we struggle to pay the bills and have something we need or want, Our shopping bill is $150 every 2 weeks that's the limit, If we wan't to pay the bills have our personal things like for me the internet, And soon pay TV, If we want these things something has got to suffer along the way,
It's like you got to suffer now to get what you wan't to make your life more fun more happy. And it's as has been said already, If the Goverment is claiming such a strong and great budget, How come it doesn't help lower paid people :confused:
When i was 18-19 i was always thinking ahead, What was i going to do with my life, Now i can't see much ahead other then the same old stuff, The only light in the distance could be my mums insurence claim comming through,
And if it does its up to me she said to make things happen, I'm the one everyone comes to to hide money or do low budget shopping or save money, Some call me tight:D But i know limits and never cross them, My mum hates shopping with me she love to pick everything up, And i like to toss it out:D

[Blue Supra]

I feel your pain buddy... living off youth allowance wasnt fun, outta that 50 about 40 went into petrol every week. 10 bucks left, you cant do alot with ten bucks these days...

now workin full time i can do stuff ive been wanting to do for ages, still livin at home is good, but ive been able to fix up the datto a bit and travel a bit and have a safety blanket which has been awesome. Being stingy is good i think, stops me from impulse buyin that others are prone to, ive saved so hardcore over past 6 months. and now im off to buy a RX7.... (hopefully:D)

[charged]

I feel your pain buddy... living off youth allowance wasnt fun, outta that 50 about 40 went into petrol every week. 10 bucks left, you cant do alot with ten bucks these days...

now workin full time i can do stuff ive been wanting to do for ages, still livin at home is good, but ive been able to fix up the datto a bit and travel a bit and have a safety blanket which has been awesome. Being stingy is good i think, stops me from impulse buyin that others are prone to, ive saved so hardcore over past 6 months. and now im off to buy a RX7.... (hopefully:D)Good on you supra enjoy it while you can,life is too short,you dont know how long you will be around.This is getting a bit personal but anyway,Im 35 years old had a heart attack Sep 2003 scared the living shit out of me ,my wife and certainly my kids.My whole attitude on life has changed,used to try and plan a future-uni for kids,retirement etc now I live for the moment went to the bank last week hocked myself up big,going to pull down my little shack up the river,build a new one buy anew ski boat,enjoy it while I can if you know what I mean,lifes to short :)

[Blue Supra]

yeh dads had a triple heart bypass a few years ago, unfortunately he hasnt had your change in mindset...:(

thats it man, im gunna live it up while i can, coz once i settle down, this stuff wont be hapnin anymore.:(

[charged]

Tell him he has to for his family,I have lost 18kgs,had three stents put in,next step for me is probably a bypass as well,what will be will be ,just trying to prolong it now with a healthier lifestyle,check to see if your old man is suffering depression,My cardioligist says 50-85% of people suffer depression after a heart attack,I did now on anti-deppressents and have never felt better,my wife says Im like I was when we first met.Hope the advice helps plenty of info about heart attack,depression on the net get him to have a look.Although he has to be ready to do it himself. :D

[Blue Supra]

for sure, thanks mate:)

[fpv_gtho]

my grandfather had i think a double bypass done last year, a lifetime of smoking caught up with him and then this year he found he had bladder cancer. after those 2 big hits, i think he was about ready to give up, but now he's just sold his 25 acre block of land which was good for a million and a half, and is building a house next to my uncle

[Blue Supra]

thats helluva expensive piece of land... where was it?

[fpv_gtho]

luddenham...he bought it like 20-25 years ago so it was pretty cheap then

[SlickHolden]

My mum wants to buy house's, But i told her i don't think it's a good idea now, If we had something from 10-20 years ago it would be perfect like your grandfather:D
But today it's to expensive:eek:

[fpv_gtho]

i dont think its really gunna get any cheaper....i guess its just like any investment, if you sit back and wait for the right time, you'll be waiting all your life, you just gotta invest then stick with it. people who were looking at GTHO's 5 years ago and sold them 3 years ago would be kicking themselves now, good show quality ones almost doubled in value

[Blue Supra]

I wouldnt mind investing, its just in what thats the prob? shares, property,bonds etc i dont know jack cept i wanna make something on the side:)

[fpv_gtho]

in that case maybe you should save up for the deposit on a house, rent it out and use the rent to pay it off.....after its payed off, youve got money coming in ever month you havent had to work that hard for

[SlickHolden]

Also vending machines is a cash in hand idea,
I'm looking into the machines you sit there for 10min spend $20 Just to get 10 choclate bars:D It's a pot of gold, I have been guilty of it myself, :D

[Blue Supra]

LOL, i was thinkn of actually opening a pay parking area, just near my work theres an absence of cheap parking areas, 100 spots, 3.50 a day, thats 350 a day:)

change in hand:p

[SlickHolden]

Chanrge $7 Mate.... If you had the $$$ you could own the lot next to the Docklands Telstra stadium. Full every game $10 Per car.

[Blue Supra]

yeh
but this is canberra, parking all day in the city is only 8 bucks
out in tuggeranong its like 7 all day underground, this a gravel outdoor lot im talkin bout:)

[SlickHolden]

Come down here mate make $1,500 per game :D ABout 45 Games per year:D

[fpv_gtho]

man i hate the vending machines at the train stations.....theyre the worst for the ones that dont work

[SlickHolden]

This is the claw one's have you sene them, Like the one's you got to grab the toys from, Only the claw is better and it does pick up the choclates only problem is they need to build up first and it pushes them till they drop down for you to grab them.

[fpv_gtho]

sounds a bit like one of these games you have at video arcades like timezone or some of the others....

[Blue Supra]

Ive seen those choccy ones, so bad, never actually tried but then ive nver seen anyone actualy win anything...

[Colty]

Theres Ice cream vending machines that use a vacumm cleaner to suck the ice cream from its spot and into the area where you take it out :O

[Blue Supra]

i like the ones where theyre all on a little conveyor belt (drink machine) and a arm comes up and grabs em for ya and drops em into the slot:D

[whiteballz]

i love the inventions of the japanese, using mobile phones as methods of paying like credit cards for venders and train tickets

[Blue Supra]

yeh its a good idea, i never have any change and cant be bothered breakin a note...

[fpv_gtho]

i guess soon we'll be gettig crap like off back to the future, everyone buys things with their fingerprint :p

[SlickHolden]

I put $2 in once and won 5 choc bars, One tim tam, Kit kat crunch, Small picknic, Twirl, Small mars bar :D

[SlickHolden]

I just read up on the torana, And how it isn't kappa, zeta, or Sigma. They build new architecture for it, It's new and now if this architecture gets into GM like they say it will cause it makes a gap that Mike Simcoe identified in 2003 he said they had no mid-sized rear-drive sports sedan. So holden built it, And it meens one good thing, This car may really be more then just a concept, It really looks the goods to be built now:D

[whiteballz]

i tell you secret, if you put some money into a vender, then turn it off at the wall
then turn it back on, and you press any button, it will spit them out for free..

i found this out due to some vandals at my school.

they were so stupid.

[Blue Supra]

Slick, do you know how much theyll retail for?

[fpv_gtho]

I just read up on the torana, And how it isn't kappa, zeta, or Sigma. They build new architecture for it, It's new and now if this architecture gets into GM like they say it will cause it makes a gap that Mike Simcoe identified in 2003 he said they had no mid-sized rear-drive sports sedan. So holden built it, And it meens one good thing, This car may really be more then just a concept, It really looks the goods to be built now:D


that could prove interesting......i'd be interested whats in it though, theres a lot of diffences between a concept's chassis and something set for production....i suppose it explains a fair bit though

[SlickHolden]

Slick, do you know how much theyll retail for?
Thats the only thig i didnt find out, I wish i knew :D :D

[SlickHolden]

that could prove interesting......i'd be interested whats in it though, theres a lot of diffences between a concept's chassis and something set for production....i suppose it explains a fair bit though
I read this on ninemsn.


Some media outlets seem a little confused about the origins of Torana's underbody, claiming it is the same as that beneath the left-hand drive Pontiac Solstice convertible. One or two outlets have even suggested it's a variation on the Zeta architecture set to underpin the next Commodore.

One look at wheelbase and track dimensions cast serious doubts on both scenarios. Torana's wheelbase of 2.84m is a massive 43cm longer than Solstice, while its front and rear track measurements of 1542mm are 11cm and 13cm shy of the Zeta-based Buick Velite.

Make no mistake, the Torana rides on a new architecture, which is set to go before GM's portfolio planning board to get the approval it needs to become a production platform. Then, and only then, will Holden and any other GM brand have the green light to develop vehicles like the Torana.

[fpv_gtho]

very peculiar.....it'd be the first ive seen of any plans for a RWD Medium sized car, GM seemed more focused on FWD Medium and a cheap RWD and premium RWD

[Blue Supra]

whats theoir cheap RWD? if its cheap enough/ good enough ill buy one:p

[fpv_gtho]

hehe Cheap RWD will be Zeta/VE Commo, premium RWD will be the caddy CTS, large premium RWD will be the STS

[Blue Supra]

damn, thats not cheap:p

[fpv_gtho]

well this is on a global new car scale remember :p

if they tried to make the VE on the CTS's platform, it'd be toppig $40K in executive trim

[Blue Supra]

screw that!

[fpv_gtho]

well the Kappa platform is RWD and small, but small like that FC :p

[Blue Supra]

i hate being big, wish i was a flat 6 foot no inches, thatd be ideal.:)

[fpv_gtho]

Well just as long as you dont get stuck HAVING to always drive around in the likes of Landcruisers despite never needing them...theres advantages and disadvantages to everything i suppose, my great uncle is edging on 7 foot tall and hes got a 98 Camry, although he doesnt drive anymore

[Matra et Alpine]

i hate being big, wish i was a flat 6 foot no inches, thatd be ideal.:)
Guy I worked with was 6 foot 3 inches tall and drove a Mini.
The seat was right back but he was totally comfortable and loved chucking it around :)

[fpv_gtho]

i reckon he wouldve had fun getting in and out of it :p

[Matra et Alpine]

i reckon he wouldve had fun getting in and out of it :p
You'd think , but he didn't !! He was a slim guy.
If you want to see fun you shoudl see me tryign to get in and out of the MGB with the full roll cage !!!!!

[fpv_gtho]

i think that'd be pretty hard for anyone, open top racer with the full cage..

i reckon im probably not that bad a build for racing, not overly tall and fairly slim, although with that i'd probably wear out too quick unless i done something serious about my fitness...

[Blue Supra]

yeh im prolly a bit heavy, im 120kgs:p sounds heavy but you cant tell from lookin at me, wouldnt mind getn down to 100...

[SlickHolden]

You should have seen me in the Gemini :D I'm Nudge 6Foot, Weight No coment:)
Anyway people seeing me get into a small car would laugh, But on the inside for a small thing, Get the seat back tilt the back the peddles were a tinng bit close i like to streach out, But the steering was high enough, The seat lower down which is what i like:D So all in all it was a very comfy thing to sit in:D But it was hard to get out from it was very low, The guard would pass the wheels and a can wouldn't go under it:D

[Blue Supra]

I love my my datto, if its seats were slighter bigger width wise then i would have no complaints only praise for interior designers of that car... i can do 8 hour trips comfortably in it. just the trip itself thats uncomfortable.:D

[Colty]

lol whats that, a double negative or positive?

[Blue Supra]

i dunno, its comfy to be in, its the actual driving that far that uncomfy:S

[fpv_gtho]

when my dad first got his one tonner it surprised me a bit, id go to hop out of it and swing my legs out and everything, and my ankles would feel like theyre about leve with my hips or something...i dont notice it so much anymore

[SlickHolden]

You got taller:D

[whiteballz]

ether that or he is just used to it. or WAS just high on some "green leaves" at a younger age.

:P KOS!!! naughty boy!

[Blue Supra]

ROFL
that used to happen in my dads old starwagon, it happens coz u have your ankles at an odd angle for a long period of time, i couldnt drive it for more then an hour without having to stop and walk around...

[fpv_gtho]

:P KOS!!! naughty boy!

alright what did i miss? :confused:

[Blue Supra]

youre on drugs apparently:p

[fpv_gtho]

i mustve REALLY missed something...:p

[whiteballz]

nah, you didnt miss it, you were just too high :P

whos bro was it that tried to grow some of the little green and purple flowering plant?

[Colty]

Omg Why Didnt U Tell Me!!!

[fpv_gtho]

nah, you didnt miss it, you were just too high :P

whos bro was it that tried to grow some of the little green and purple flowering plant?


hey man i told you they got over fertilised so we didnt get caught with them...

uughhh...i mean

i dont know what your talking about :D

[whiteballz]

:D :D

told you he was high!!!

this is what us aussies do! rat eachother out for international trial.

unlike bush. :P but thats different. he fought in wars and never drank and is still american prez!

:D :rollseyes:

buuut thats different.

all good fun!

[fpv_gtho]

hey theres a big difference to actually getting high, than having the fumes spread out through the house from the bathroom next to you :p

[Colty]

OH puulleeeezzz, STOP THE LIES!

[fpv_gtho]

lies? what lies? i tell no lies, i swear :p

[Colty]

Lies, All Lies, Lies I Tells Ya!

[whiteballz]

mmm well, whats the point in smoking in the bathroom?

honestly?

[Blue Supra]

dutch it up! get even more high! i mean err nothing:o:D

[Colty]

*sIGh* ^^

[Blue Supra]

:o ohhhh man, im so high right now, i got no idea what goin on, ohhh man!
- towlie (south park):D

[SlickHolden]

Lies, All Lies, Lies I Tells Ya!
All Australian boy he tell no lies :p
That we know of lol :p :D

[SlickHolden]

:o ohhhh man, im so high right now, i got no idea what goin on, ohhh man!
- towlie (south park):D
Because i got high because i got high because i got high lalalalalalala :p

[danno]

you guys will all be brain dead in 10 years.

[SlickHolden]

Not me the only smoke i do is the rears:D:D:D

[Matra et Alpine]

Not me the only smoke i do is the rears:D:D:D
less curry and beer mate :)

[SlickHolden]

But i love curry,,, Ohhh no smell that :eek: toliet brake lol:D

[Blue Supra]

ewwwwwwww who farted!
SLICK!:D

[Colty]

/runs away

[SlickHolden]

ewwwwwwww who farted!
SLICK!:D
Guilty:D :p

[fpv_gtho]

/runs away

YAY

i mean....

thats disgusting slick :p

someone open a window, even though its a forum an all....

[SlickHolden]

Turn the A/C on it's gettin hot in here:p

[Blue Supra]

dammit man that stinks, at leats its clearing out now:) after a day youd hope the forums at least had that much ventilation:D

[fpv_gtho]

you wouldnt wanna get caught without a firewall :p