View Full Version : I hate the 5th Bimmer
The Ferrarist
10-19-2004, 08:49 AM
I don't care if somebody doesn't understand me, but I hate the design and look of the new 5. It's terrible. Chris made it like a kid deisgner. The front and rear lights make that car just shit! They aren't for the 5th bimmer - the businessclass sedan of one of the leading car manufacturers. Many pro's think like me. It's NOT ACTUAL, NOT BY-CLASS, NOT BY THE BMW STYLE.
As I know, they are mostly being liked buy unskill kid amateurs. They think its cute - "it's so futuristic" they think!! The forn lights go somewhere up, then they make strange shapes. The rear ones are more terrible. Also, there are many mistakes in the common design. Many other things are not good.
Look at the new E Benz, the A6!!! That's keepin' the elegance. For-time, for-classification look, real businessclass spice!
I don't even think Chris Bangle would put it even on 1er - it wouldn't be solid even for that little hatch..
Sorry for some anger :cool: , but I don't love when BIGz make Mistakes.
I totally agree with you. It still is a good car though, but just hideous.
Coventrysucks
10-19-2004, 12:19 PM
Chris made it like a kid deisgner.
Chris Bangle didn't design this single handed, It is probably the work of many designers.
Many pro's think like me.
Pro whats?
Look at the new E Benz, the A6!!! That's keepin' the elegance. For-time, for-classification look, real businessclass spice!
Both somewhat dull. The new A6 is alright, but the E-Class is utterly dull.
At least BMW have the balls to be avant-garde and push the boundaries of car design forwards. Even if they aren't always brilliant looking cars.
I don't even think Chris Bangle would put it even on 1er - it wouldn't be solid even for that little hatch..
As I said in another thread...
Chris Chapman is responsible for the 1 series design concept, and the exterior styling was managed by Kevin Rice.
I really doubt Bangle had a huge ammount of creative input.
BMW bashing is tedious and boring for me.
I seem to be the only one who has some insight into how a car is designed and built.
It is not the work of 1 man.
And I doubt that what you see on the cars is exclusively down to Bangle.
Ok, some of his concepts and ideas have had a strong impact on the cars created recently, but seeing as BMW waited for Bangle to become available, I think they know what they are doing.
Deutscher Adler
10-19-2004, 12:50 PM
I dont see how the A6 is just aright. I mean place the A6 4.2L V8 Quattro or the 3.2L FSI V6 Quattro against the new 5 series. There is no way one can say that the 5 series is better in technology or quality. Let's just take an objective look at them. It is obvious that the technology that makes the A6 is better. One might like the styling of the 5 series more but as for which of the two is better it is an easy choice. You get more for you buck with an Audi. You get more image for more of your bucks with the 5 series. I am not bashing BMW. I like BMW very much. I just don't really feel the new designs as much as I did the older styles. I really think the best were in the 80s and 90s designs up till 2000 or 2001. After that, I dont know.
Coventrysucks
10-19-2004, 01:18 PM
I dont see how the A6 is just aright.
I ment in purely stylistic terms.
I don't think the A6 is a bad design (the E-Class is IMHO), it just isn't especially different or exciting.
The major stumbling block with car design is the USA.
The general population seems far too conservative when it comes to design.
People seem to be content with such monstrosities as the Ford Taurus, the bloody awful American Escort and anything by Buick.
I'm sure if you turned up in a Renault Megane in some areas of the USA the people would actually think you were the Anti-Christ, and burn you.
Deutscher Adler
10-19-2004, 01:21 PM
I'm sure if you turned up in a Renault Megane in some areas of the USA the people would actually think you were the Anti-Christ, and burn you.
:D :) :D
Your hilarious!
SPHFerrari
10-19-2004, 02:04 PM
haha you tell him coventry
Clunker
10-19-2004, 02:19 PM
I don't hate it, but I don't like the design. It could be better. The Ferrarist brought up a good point, the head and tail lights do look rather dumpy. I like the old designs better.
Distress
10-19-2004, 04:52 PM
Style wise I don't "like" it; it's not ugly, but for how much I am paying I would expect something elegant looking.
The STS is better..:D Not just by styling either (should I dare say?).
Style wise I don't "like" it; it's not ugly, but for how much I am paying I would expect something elegant looking.
The STS is better..:D Not just by styling either (should I dare say?).
The problem with the STS is the fact that the Audi A6, BMW 5-Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Jaguar S-Type and Saab 9-5 exist.
Distress
10-19-2004, 05:28 PM
The problem with the STS is the fact that the Audi A6, BMW 5-Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Jaguar S-Type and Saab 9-5 exist.
As much as I like Saab, why did you include the 9-5?
S-Type; althogh the newer ones are noticably improved, you've got to be jokeing.
E- class is just discusting.
Don't read much do you?
As much as I like Saab, why did you include the 9-5?
S-Type; althogh the newer ones are noticably improved, you've got to be jokeing.
E- class is just discusting.
Don't read much do you?
The Saab 9-5 is a rival to the STS. That is why I included it.
You are probably right about the Jag.
IMO the E-Class is less disgusting than the Cadillac STS.
The BMW, as a car, is a lot better than the STS.
The same goes with the Audi.
IMO, I think the STS is just as ugly as the 5 series.
I don't think I am going to be seeing many, if any Cadillacs in Britain typically because Brits know that Cadillacs don't work in Britain no matter how small they are. But I also know that Brits are silly enough to think BMWs are 'the cars of god'.
Distress
10-19-2004, 05:49 PM
RS6, I was refering to the STS (not the Seville base), not sure why you are bringing the CTS in?
http://x.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2004/01/14/WKA2004011457454_pv.jpg
RS6, I was refering to the STS (not the Seville base), not sure why you are bringing the CTS in?
http://x.wieck.com/pv/WKA/2004/01/14/WKA2004011457454_pv.jpg
Whoops, sorry mate, I meant the STS but obviously typed in CTS by mistake.
PS: Typos have now been corrected.
PerfAdv
10-19-2004, 05:59 PM
It's sad that the looks of the new '5' are so questionable that they need defending. Really, they're so that they might turn people away from an otherwise awesome product. In the 5 there is now even less unsprung weight, even better handling dynamics, acceleration, etc. Only now it's wrapped in an ugly version of the Pontiac G6. Someone's needs to get axed at BMW, or maybe the whole design conspiracy crew. Those who, under the quise of new and progressive are destroying BMW. But to know a car is to drive one, and better, own one. I'm sure the owners of the new 5 will be happy campers, just maybe a little conscious of their new nose jobs. ;)
QuattroMan
10-19-2004, 08:13 PM
keep the eng..and the trans,,,,the bod sty. sucks....
Matt Doe
10-20-2004, 03:26 AM
I think the new 5 is a great looking car.. yes its to early for its time but all other cars will come to look like it.. all Bangles designs are avant-garde (futuristic)..
eg. the fiat coupe Chris Bangle disaster bak in the early 90s because of its looks but it looks awesome now...
andy.muc
10-20-2004, 05:17 AM
I think the new 5 is a great looking car.. yes its to early for its time but all other cars will come to look like it.
OMG what a horrible imagination... :mad:
QuattroMan
10-20-2004, 12:39 PM
I think the new 5 is a great looking car.. yes its to early for its time but all other cars will come to look like it.. all Bangles designs are avant-garde (futuristic)..
eg. the fiat coupe Chris Bangle disaster bak in the early 90s because of its looks but it looks awesome now...
when it comes to German cars you cant go wrong, but the 5 gots to go.
sssooorrryyyyy!
Luciferous
10-20-2004, 05:44 PM
jeez you guys are pretty harsh on old Chris Bangle. I reckon flame surfacing is awesome, and it pushes exterior design forward another level. The cars would be designed according to whether or not they have to be pleasing to everyones' eyes. The ones that are suppposed to be the 'lookers' of the group (ie 6-series and Z4) look absolutely fantastic. The 5 was designed to look exclusive, and well, it looks pretty exclusive to me
PsychoChimp22
10-20-2004, 08:52 PM
I don't care if somebody doesn't understand me, but I hate the design and look of the new 5. It's terrible. Chris made it like a kid deisgner. The front and rear lights make that car just shit! They aren't for the 5th bimmer - the businessclass sedan of one of the leading car manufacturers. Many pro's think like me. It's NOT ACTUAL, NOT BY-CLASS, NOT BY THE BMW STYLE.
As I know, they are mostly being liked buy unskill kid amateurs. They think its cute - "it's so futuristic" they think!! The forn lights go somewhere up, then they make strange shapes. The rear ones are more terrible. Also, there are many mistakes in the common design. Many other things are not good.
Look at the new E Benz, the A6!!! That's keepin' the elegance. For-time, for-classification look, real businessclass spice!
I don't even think Chris Bangle would put it even on 1er - it wouldn't be solid even for that little hatch..
Sorry for some anger :cool: , but I don't love when BIGz make Mistakes.
I seriously could ot agree more.
Luciferous
10-20-2004, 09:49 PM
Unskilled kid amateurs like BMW's most eh? As far as I checked the same 'Unskilled kid amateurs' still think many luxury cars look cool, including the new Audis and new Mercs like the CLS. Insulting the people who like the cars isn't goin to win the argument. Doesn't anyone see that the styling is deliberately meant to be controversial, that every car has deliberate sticking points in its design to make sure that they aren't forgotten. I'm sick of people who look at the cars and say "god they're hideous blah blah blah" and "oh I've tried to like it but its just too ugly". Shut up, you've never tried to look at the car in a positive way, and everyone knows it. If people prefer cars that immediately dissapear in the background and then grow on you, then obviously BMW are wrong. But last I checked BMW are on a sales high, and the "ugly duckling" of the range (the 7) hasn't had a dent in its sales since the new model.
QuattroMan
10-21-2004, 09:44 AM
I dont see how the A6 is just aright. I mean place the A6 4.2L V8 Quattro or the 3.2L FSI V6 Quattro against the new 5 series. There is no way one can say that the 5 series is better in technology or quality. Let's just take an objective look at them. It is obvious that the technology that makes the A6 is better. One might like the styling of the 5 series more but as for which of the two is better it is an easy choice. You get more for you buck with an Audi. You get more image for more of your bucks with the 5 series. I am not bashing BMW. I like BMW very much. I just don't really feel the new designs as much as I did the older styles. I really think the best were in the 80s and 90s designs up till 2000 or 2001. After that, I dont know.
i feel the same my friend :D
The Ferrarist
10-21-2004, 09:55 AM
Hey guys.... I know that not only Bangle makes it, there are a lot, but he's the deisgn BOSS. It's one og the general qualities of a car - the LOOK! He's the BOSS, he could even make it without rear or fron lights :D (jokin')
He would tell "Whassup Jimmy, you made these light like for a Jupiter's President's Limo's. It Bimmer Five, man!"
Now there's one near our house. It's ugly, guys. I don't know.
capone
10-27-2004, 08:33 PM
I agree with most comments here, the technology in the 5 series is probably fantastic but the styling is not worth the shit that goes down the toilet. I suggest that BMW sack the entire design team starting with Bangle and bring in some new designers and fresh ideas.
ScionDriver
10-29-2004, 11:08 PM
I see where you guys are all coming from, but I don't think the overall design of the 5er is too bad. It grew on me and I don't love it but its ok, it can look agressive, but sometimes from the wrong angle it looks pretty ugly. I still think it is a marvelous car and if they touch it up a little bit they could have a bad*** car on their hands.
jcp123
10-29-2004, 11:55 PM
i have to say that the new bimmers are pretty much all ugly, though the 7 wears the styling pretty well
the current and the last 3 are the best of the late model bimmers in terms of looks, IMHO
islero
10-30-2004, 02:02 AM
I dont think it's THAT bad.
And Chris Bangle went mad before starting the BMW decline, cos he was responsible for some geniunely good stuff like the previous genration 3-series, Z3 etc etc
P3RG4R3C
10-31-2004, 08:45 AM
I think the new BMW M5 is a great looking car. It is the most powerful serial BMW. The technology in it is awesome (launch-control, head-up display, 330 km/h top speed, ...)
I think the new BMW M5 is a great looking car. It is the most powerful serial BMW. The technology in it is awesome (launch-control, head-up display, 330 km/h top speed, ...)
I would prefer a TVR where I can actually control the car myself instead of the computers. Nevertheless, the new M5 is a great car.
Jonny Flash
11-02-2004, 11:56 AM
why can't people talk about anything else for a change! its very boring to hear people always slagging off BMW for being daring, innovative and fresh with their designs.
Talk about something more important.
P3RG4R3C
11-03-2004, 12:23 AM
why can't people talk about anything else for a change! its very boring to hear people always slagging off BMW for being daring, innovative and fresh with their designs.
Talk about something more important.
Example?
andy.muc
11-03-2004, 08:25 AM
Now, that's my baby... :rolleyes:
Luciferous
11-03-2004, 10:56 PM
Example?
I could look at a Z4 all day. Same with a 6 series. And an M5.