holden commodore calais v8

[danno]

what is a good price for a VX calais??

[danno]

so............uh, seeing as nobody has replied yet, i will supply the answer to my own question. around $30,000.

my friends dad offered him his company car which is a VX calais for 13,000.

im thinking he should buy it :D

[fpv_gtho]

thats too cheap, my dad payed $19K last year for a 1999 Fairmont Ghia V8 and that was the trade in price

[danno]

yeah its a company car and they offered his dad first choice of whether he wanted to buy it or not. he didnt want it so he asked my friend.

only problem is he doesnt have 13,000 dollars to spend. but he should buy it anyway. even if he doesnt want it he can sell it again for around $30k

[Blue Supra]

13k is stupidly cheap
if its an ex company car, chances are its been thrashed... i thrash the govi cars i use...

[fpv_gtho]

well maybe thats a bit much to sell it again

[danno]

his dad got it new as a company car and is a very conservative driver, so it hasnt been thrashed.

basically its a ridiculously cheap deal, and i have no idea what the company is thinking.

[Colty]

i wouldve said a VX calais is worth about 25k 30k max! But heh, im clueless when it comes to resale

[fpv_gtho]

VX's are getting on 3 years old now so theyre dropping down pretty severely

[carl0.LS1]

thats too cheap, my dad payed $19K last year for a 1999 Fairmont Ghia V8 and that was the trade in price

the same car is worth about $15'5k now. my mum bought a V6 AUII fairmont ghia w/87'000km's on the clock for about $17'5k six months ago after trade-in. its now worth about $13k outright. this calais sounds like a score. it makes sense to be cheap, because chances are it was being paid for while it was been driven. most company cars are on lease. at the end of the lease you can purchase the car outright, usually at a great price.

[danno]

ok, so thats why its cheap. i was looking at used car sales, and the cheapest VX calais i found was $27,000, so either im looking in the wrong places, or its a very very good deal.

[SlickHolden]

If your dad is the only one that has sriven that calais and he feels it's a good car, Tell it's good price:D If everyone drives it then it could have some problems that he doesn'y know about:D And a V8:D

[danno]

If your dad is the only one that has sriven that calais and he feels it's a good car, Tell it's good price:D If everyone drives it then it could have some problems that he doesn'y know about:D And a V8:D

its not my dad, its his dad :)

and yes, he is the only one i beleive, apart from my friends brother who drove it about twice, and my friend drove it once. thats about it.

the only problem with a V8 is the rising fuel prices :(

[Blue Supra]

i had that thought about it being a lease car... my GFs family lease their VX wagon, at the end of a lease you have the option to sell it or buy it off the company you leased it from on the cheap... thatd explain why its so cheap:)

[fpv_gtho]

those fuel prices arent getting any better, but you should still be able to get respectful figures just so long as you dont worry about if your slow taking off from the lights etc.

[Colty]

Time for a thread subject change, ah yes fuel prices, very high at the moment, could be less demand for V8's if it continues to rise meaning lower resale!

[fpv_gtho]

it'll take a while for them to drop, but i dare say it'll just put more of an influence on what Ford and Holden do to try and make the V8's as fuel efficient as possible

[Colty]

Even though they will, to the average person a V8 will still seem like a thirsty mean sounding car.

[fpv_gtho]

but theyre already thought as that for the most part

[Colty]

Exactly which is why it will take alot to convince the public they are not when they are even tho ford and holden say theyre not when they are and theyre not you know? :p

[fpv_gtho]

i think it could be quite easy if they focused hard enough on the marketing side. realistically theyre not that much worse than the 6 cylinders when pushed hard

[Colty]

Well they had better start now then.

[Blue Supra]

well with a 7L on the way.... and a 6L just out, its obviously not deterrin them at all.

[SlickHolden]

Run them on unleaded, Try driving a car on LRP :(

[Blue Supra]

mmmm. LRP is nasty, im fortunate that my dato runs on unleaded:)

[SlickHolden]

All the old V8 guys hate this, There was one local guy that had super still for about 2 years extra the v8's loved him:D

[danno]

lol!!

how is premium unleaded compared to super?

[SlickHolden]

I'm not sure? But these cars are the early 90's and 80's hotted up rods:D

[danno]

ok. because premium unleaded costs pretty much the same compared to normal unleaded as super used to.

my mums old van used to run on super :)

[SlickHolden]

I'm Not sure if i like LRP over The old super, I think the engine sounds a little more pingy with LRP?

[fpv_gtho]

LRP's just 95 octane premium with the valve seat protectant in it really, i dont know what Super was.....

[SlickHolden]

I read that the HSV's dont have exstrackters on them:eek: Buy one grab them will sound great and give some extra power, I hate LRP :( it sucks makes the car run ok but sounds like something is off when all is fine

[fpv_gtho]

i thought that putting extractors on them was one of the things they done to get it to 285kw, unless its the LS2 your talking about which probably still uses cast iron headers

[Blue Supra]

herd a VY SS ute rev it up today, had aftermarket exhaust, sounded meaty:D

[fpv_gtho]

yeah they seem to have a world of difference with a grand spent on the exhaust, but i guess you'd want any car to with that money spent on the exhaust

[Blue Supra]

def, im hesitant to spend 260 on mine:p but then my cars worth like 5% of a SS ute:D

[fpv_gtho]

well if you think it'll be enough to give you an edge over someone else, then you may as well go for it :p

alot of people with SS's though probably have plans to keep them for a while, i guess you'd be just holding onto the Datto until you can afford something better like that RX-7 :p

[Blue Supra]

i think ill keep it for life, when i get a new car ill derego the dat and just over time work on it... its not worth selling now.

[fpv_gtho]

hehe just save it and turn it into a race car you can just take to events :p

you can do whatever you want to it then and not worry about having it pass rego :p

[Blue Supra]

exactly, strip it out properly, put a roll cage in, racing seat with harness, new engine SR20DET would go nicely:D

[fpv_gtho]

haha yeah, that roll cage'll probably keep the chassis straight with the SR20 :p

those other people there wont know what your packing :p

[Blue Supra]

ive been quoted 1500 just to do the mounts for it, that put me off, itll be 5k for the engine and then prolly 1k at least for fitting, then with that id need new GB, brakes, tailshaft, diff etc etc etc:o
thisll prolly take a few years to get to that stage:)

[fpv_gtho]

its alot of BS to go through to something your not even gunna drive on the streets :p

then you'll probably want to spray paint it a different colour

[Blue Supra]

nah, im def gunna keep it yellow, i cant imagine it any other colour, if i do respray it, itll be devil yellow off the monaro! thatd look so good i rekin:)

[fpv_gtho]

haha yeah.....i think i'd find it hard though to be forking out money for the respray just to keep it much the same colour, i'd be thinking of something nice and bright

[Blue Supra]

well the respray i did was pretty frickin crap, the yellows are diff coz mines faded so the paint doesnt match up, looks pretty cruddy but when its dark or the lights right you cant even tell, up close it looks terrible though:(

[fpv_gtho]

maybe in that case yellows not that bad :p

put a bit of a flame job on the front end maybe :p

blacken out the bonnet so theres no glare :p

[Blue Supra]

ill stick, A'Pexi, Greddy, and NOS stickers on it too:p:D

[fpv_gtho]

haha man you'll be making a mockery of the Datto by doing that :p

[Blue Supra]

but itd be funny as, imagine the shock hearing the BOV on a datto:D

[Colty]

Your datto will be a Ricer soon enough! :p jkk!K!!!

[Blue Supra]

well its already lowered...:D

[SlickHolden]

i thought that putting extractors on them was one of the things they done to get it to 285kw, unless its the LS2 your talking about which probably still uses cast iron headers
Yes LS2. Not sure on the cast irion ones, But what i read was they got that power without exstrackters, Which ment there is room for some upogrades in the future:)
Motor done the test and they say if they try hard enough they can get it into the 4 sec 0-100, They belive it's sweet spot is 200-260+. And when testing it they were told to take off in 2nd. But they said you can brake traction in 4th with traction on it bites hard, I Think they were more impressed with the 6L more then the GTS donk:)

[SlickHolden]

well its already lowered...:D
Go lower F1 height lol be hard for you to jump outta that then long legs :p
^^^^
M.O.S

[Blue Supra]

the front wheels are less then an inch off the guards! thats why im makin a brace for the front struts.:)

[Colty]

-5seconds sounds a bit quick i rkn, if the 285kW supposedly does 0-100 in 5.36 taking 4 tenths of a second wif 20nM and 12kW seems farfetched, but u never know, it might happen.

[SlickHolden]

The 285kw Did 5.2 Sec.... But the LS2 has already done a time of 5.2 with a hand timmer. they say on the DIN it's 305KW ?. I think if they had a car for a day they will give it a big try:) I someone buy a HSV and gets a new Exhaust system put on it, then 4sec pass is on the cards:)

[fpv_gtho]

-5seconds sounds a bit quick i rkn, if the 285kW supposedly does 0-100 in 5.36 taking 4 tenths of a second wif 20nM and 12kW seems farfetched, but u never know, it might happen.


thats just talking about the increase in peak figures, and the engine hardly ever spends time at its peak torque or power (all bar the XR6T and F6) during performance runs. i'd be interested to compare dyno graphs to see how the low and mid range is affected.

then of course theres traction and running the engine in, the 2 biggest problems in getting decent times out of the BOSS

[SlickHolden]

But it's not a fav with the ford boys really is it, The boss, Most ford guys give it hell they get pissed it's not faster then the LS1, And now LS2 is faster then the GTS they are more pissed off, They want more power maybe thats why they are so pissed off wiht it they want more like oliver, Please sir can i have some more! :p

[fpv_gtho]

no thats just your brother :p

i'd be interested to compare the LS1 in 2001 to the BOSS now, cause thats about what its down to...1-2 years of BOSS development compared to 6 years out of the LS1 so its an unfair comparison....the LS2 will be in a similar predicament but then again, its still got alot in common with the LS1 and its already that much more powerful stock...

[SlickHolden]

I would even say it's 40 years old:D they have made it better over the years but it's a old thing really, Some say pushrod is old tech, But then you get some that say it's worked for 40 years and when your been doing it for that long and know it that well, Maybe you should just stick with what you do best:)
But i think the Boss won't get it's time to blossom, By the time it's ready for action it will be replaced.

[Blue Supra]

Thats usually the way with anything, once i got my head around win 98 along came 2000, got my head around that too, then came XP....
its a never ending cycle:)

[Colty]

thats just talking about the increase in peak figures, and the engine hardly ever spends time at its peak torque or power (all bar the XR6T and F6) during performance runs. i'd be interested to compare dyno graphs to see how the low and mid range is affected.

Id imagine it would stay trend throughout the rev ranged :confused:

I think theres still alot more power to be made out of the BOSS.


I would even say it's 40 years old they have made it better over the years but it's a old thing really, Some say pushrod is old tech,

Correct me if im wrong but i believe OHC technology existed back in the 1930's too, as well as pushrods.


Maybe you should just stick with what you do best
But i think the Boss won't get it's time to blossom, By the time it's ready for action it will be replaced.

Maybe, hopefully as what fpv said, a 5.9ltr or 6.2ltr DOHC! :D

[Blue Supra]

wont compare to the 7L!:D:D:D
bring it on!:p

[Colty]

I cant see 7litre engines coming here with the way petrol prices are at the moment.

[fpv_gtho]

OHC HAS been here since the 1920's, but who cars since it was in racing.....we dont complain because out cars dont have the Pneumatic valve systems of F1 in out Daewoo Lacetti's do we?

it was in the 50's they started on the first small block V8 and that had OHV.....as theyve gone to Gen2, Gen3 and now Gen4, there's either never been a big push for excessive technology, or what it had before, still works with a bit of refining.

and Colty, HSV lately has been doing alot to aid the breathing of the engine, eg CAI and the extractors on the Y series 2 HSV's....the LS2 has a very strong midrange, much like the BOSS, and its alot to do with the breathing.....at 3000rpm, with a 90mm throttle body, you can satisfy the breathing requirements of an engine MUCH easier than double that at 6000rpm, thats why engines with different breathing can comparitively have much different midrange, low range or high range performance....

[Blue Supra]

well mine will breathe much easier as of wednesday with the headers and exhaust goin on it:D

as the old sayin goes Colty, "if it aint broke, dont fix it!"

[fpv_gtho]

then all you gotta do is get the head ported :p

[Colty]

Well then it should be interesting to see what the low and mid power is like on the LS2 :p

[fpv_gtho]

the GTS-R concept got just over 600nm, but i dont know what rev's thats at, so it shouldnt be all that hard you'd think to match the GT's 400nm at 1000rpm

[Blue Supra]

then all you gotta do is get the head ported :p

how much do you think thatll cost?

[Colty]

My dad wants to buy a GTS-R! If they ever get put into production.

[fpv_gtho]

i think the porting could set you back a fair bit, but its only a 4 cylinder, so that could be something last on the list, like blueprinting the engine..

i dont think the GTS-R's gunna go into full production, they only want to make race spec versions

[Colty]

Well he did say he wanted to race them :o

[fpv_gtho]

well he better be prepared for first a CAMS license, possible team franchising, spare parts, the initial $100K+ asking price of a GTS-R......

AND...the collateral for the loan if he hasnt got the money in the bank :p

[SlickHolden]

Shit thats a bit of Crust:eek:
I'll do that when i win Tattslotto :p

[2ndclasscitizen]

holden might start up a onemake series to run the GTS-R
and also MOTOR said when they tested the Zseries HSVs that they were the first model not to run extractors so they obviously arent having to many engine breathing problems

[fpv_gtho]

just think of how hard Ross and Jimmy Stone are doing it, or Kees Weel, Simon Wills's dad and the Kelly's. ALL of them run successful V8 supercar teams, which set them back a minimum of $700K to build 2 cars, and since theyre not HRT or FPV theyre basically privateer's

[2ndclasscitizen]

kees weel is gunna be feeling the financial pinch after he had another car basically destroyed

[fpv_gtho]

well for Launceston, Bright'll be using his old Betta Electrical VX that was converted to a VY Hybrid for Paul Weel this year

[SlickHolden]

Remeber the old landsvale boys, I used to think they were awsome, They would swap the drive every now and then, I remeber a long time ago they were 4th on the grid, You couldn't wipe the smiles of there faces, It was like someone said you have a years vouchers @ Maddam hens parlour :p They were rapped:D

[fpv_gtho]

well the lansvale team's now Tasman Motorsport, they were the only real NSW based team, considering BJR are on the VIC/NSW border

[SlickHolden]

Thats them dam i didnt know that, Are the old boys retired now and they have new drivers.

[Blue Supra]

Well ill be out there one day... and you can all go, i knew bluey way back when he started out...:) come see me and ill give you all hot laps:p

[fpv_gtho]

haha man put me behind the wheel and we'll see who'll be giving who the hot laps :p

[Blue Supra]

With you Ls experience im sure that itll be an... exciting... ride:p;)

[fpv_gtho]

haha who knows, im getting better and better every time i go in the car :p

but that lil datto could prove "interesting" to drive :p

[SlickHolden]

Well ill be out there one day... and you can all go, i knew bluey way back when he started out...:) come see me and ill give you all hot laps:p
Yeah i knew bluey when he was just a little:p Spammer Then he turned into CEO of AusSpam :p

[Blue Supra]

well, Ill set up a dummy company. Ausspam Inc. have it sponser me for a season on borrowed coin. then claim bankruptcy after i win the series and then skip the country:D

[fpv_gtho]

i thought you wouldve said something like have it as a front for money laundering to fund all your crashes :p

[Blue Supra]

oh itll do that too:D

[fpv_gtho]

better keep it quiet then :p

dont want the plan to fail before it gets on its feet

[SlickHolden]

I'm looking going bankrup :( I am down the shitter at this time:(

[fpv_gtho]

that doesnt sound too good mate

[Blue Supra]

ooo dear, better give Ausspam a ring mate;) theyll hook you up with some "financing":D

[fpv_gtho]

man someone sounds like theyre loaded, spending big on the Datto now offering personal loads

[SlickHolden]

You got a spare $6.325.55 AusSpam :D:D:D

[fpv_gtho]

maybe he does.....hes got big plans for that datto :p

[SlickHolden]

Fastest datto in OZ:D Or Fastest datto on 2 wheels in OZ:p

[fpv_gtho]

maybe just in his suburb in ACT for now :p

cant match those FJ20/SR20 1200's with just the extractors, exhaust and the racing seat :p