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Touran
10-25-2003, 01:13 PM
Which motor is the best motor ever made by a manufactor? Please post also some pics (if you have some) of that motor.

Greetz Touran ;)

megotmea7
10-26-2003, 03:22 PM
best at what? performance? economy? driveability? are we talking race engines or street engines?

Egg Nog
10-26-2003, 09:16 PM
The best engine was the 1984 Chrysler IX-8 Flat-8 concept engine. It was developed to be used in conjunction with a hybrid drive system, using a minimum of only 0.3 litres per 100 kilometres. More spectacularly, it could acheive horsepower and torque numbers well into four digits at driver-programmable rpm levels.

:p

So... I think it's time to specify what kind of engine you're talking about :)

Touran
10-27-2003, 12:55 AM
I'm talking about motors you get in the normal cars you can buy in the showrooms. So I'm talking about normal streetmotors.

Which motor has the best performance? :)

henk4
10-28-2003, 07:04 AM
For normal showroom cars
petrol engine: Alfa V6
diesel engine: PSA HDI

for more extreme machines:
petrol : Ferrari 360V8
diesel: VAG V10

Probably 10 minutes after submitting this i could come up with a totally different list. Choice is too big.

MacF1
10-28-2003, 09:15 AM
Honda: NSX V6
Ferrari: Enzo V12
Alfa: GTV6
BMW: Maclaren F1 V12/ M3 CSL inline 6
Mercedes: Pagani Zonda V12
Nissan: SkylineGTR inline 6/350Z V6
Porsche: Carrera GT V10
Ford: Aston Martin DB9 V8
Mazda: RX7 Twin T Wankel
VW: Corrado VR6
TVR: Any V8!!!
Lamb.: Contach V12

in my opinion

DasModell
10-28-2003, 09:51 AM
it's a Ferrari V12(including the 180 degree ones :) )

FLORIN70IL
10-29-2003, 10:08 AM
The same quiz?What is best?
Honda S2000 2 liter 240bhp/9000RPM is the best 4 cylinder normally aspirated,
BMW 3 series 2.2 liter in line 6,170 bhp/6000 RPM is the best 6 cylinder,McLaren F1 6 liter V12(BMW unit) 660bhp is the best 12v,Lamborghini Gallardo 5 liter V10 500bhp/7800 RPM is the best V10,all those engines are normally aspirated.For V6 I didn't decided yet
I like Volvo too

MacF1
10-29-2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by FLORIN70IL
The same quiz?What is best?
Honda S2000 2 liter 240bhp/9000RPM is the best 4 cylinder normally aspirated,
BMW 3 series 2.2 liter in line 6,170 bhp/6000 RPM is the best 6 cylinder,McLaren F1 6 liter V12(BMW unit) 660bhp is the best 12v,Lamborghini Gallardo 5 liter V10 500bhp/7800 RPM is the best V10,all those engines are normally aspirated.For V6 I didn't decided yet
I like Volvo too

Gallardo V10 (VW) vs. Carrera GT V10

anyone....?

FLORIN70IL
10-30-2003, 01:37 AM
Gallardo vs Carrera GT? 150,000 euro vs 400,000 euro? what is the point?

megotmea7
10-30-2003, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by FLORIN70IL
BMW 3 series 2.2 liter in line 6,170 bhp/6000 RPM is the best 6 cylinder
best 6 cylinder? what about the 2jz-gte from the MkIV supra? capable of holding ~1000hp on a stock block... if your talking n/a then what about the carreras flat-6?

FLORIN70IL
10-30-2003, 03:02 AM
I forgot to mention that those engines are MY favorites and price vs performance ratio is a factor(except for McLarenF1) Regardless of price, I agree there are many more powerfull engines.This forum is a little unfocused because "the best engine" is not a stock one and a 1000 bhp 16V Veyron is cost about 1 million US dollar(900,000 USD).In my opinion there is car price vs engine performance factor that is very important .So the problem is how much money you have to spend for a new car and what is the best deal for your money .And we're talking about the engine only, not the car.If you wanna buy a Volvo what is the point looking to a Honda S2000? If you are a family man, you need a SUV,a van,a station wagon,not a coupe or a roadster.If you have to live in the both worlds,try a VW Tuareg ,an X5 or Porsche Cayenne,that's simple

FLORIN70IL
10-30-2003, 03:11 AM
that's what are you looking for?

MacF1
10-30-2003, 07:51 AM
Originally posted by FLORIN70IL
Gallardo vs Carrera GT? 150,000 euro vs 400,000 euro? what is the point?

buddy, its not about the cars, its about the engines. When your talking about the best engines in the world cost isnt a factor.
Plus you can't really compare the car prices cos the engine might not have cost the same percentage of list price.

The Veyrons 8.0-liter W-16 engine is essentially a 90-degree joining of two of Volkswagen's VR-8 powerplants.......where's the innovation in that.

MacF1
10-30-2003, 07:55 AM
Originally posted by megotmea7
best 6 cylinder? what about the 2jz-gte from the MkIV supra? capable of holding ~1000hp on a stock block... if your talking n/a then what about the carreras flat-6?

NSX V6 tuned with the help of the late great Senna...........nothing stock comes close!! (and I'm not talking hp!)

fpv_gtho
11-05-2003, 05:08 AM
Originally posted by FLORIN70IL
BMW 3 series 2.2 liter in line 6,170 bhp/6000 RPM is the best 6 cylinder

what is so good about this setup? if anything the best 6 would be the M3 CSL, 270kw/3.2L. how about that as the best straight 6, Porsche GT3 best boxer 6 and NSX best V6

MacF1
11-05-2003, 07:43 AM
Originally posted by fpv_gtho
what is so good about this setup? if anything the best 6 would be the M3 CSL, 270kw/3.2L. how about that as the best straight 6, Porsche GT3 best boxer 6 and NSX best V6

good call on the Porsche GT3 boxer!!
has been said to be one the best Porsche engines ever...

SL500
11-05-2003, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by MacF1
good call on the Porsche GT3 boxer!!
has been said to be one the best Porsche engines ever...
yeah,but don't forget the 935 Mobydicks engine

E34 Pacer
11-08-2003, 07:04 PM
no way. its gotta be the mighty HEMI!

fpv_gtho
11-08-2003, 07:08 PM
specs?

DwZX35
11-08-2003, 08:29 PM
The best Motor ever: The F40 engine.

http://www.vezess.hu/content/cm/Versenyauto_kiallitas_2002_02_15_18/F40_big.jpg

MacF1
11-10-2003, 07:49 AM
well folks, that about wraps up this discussion!!!:D

BiTurbo
11-12-2003, 12:26 AM
The best motor ever - is the V8 - even the japanese have finally realised it.
Take the original Ford V8 in the 'Drop-head' coupe or the Chey 327, the father of the 350 (5.7 LS1 etc) - the V8 is and always will produce the best torque, the smoothest idle AND THE BEST STREET NOISE. :D

-datsun 1600-
11-14-2003, 02:22 AM
Nissan-RB26DETT Skyline GTR :)
Toyota-2JZ-GTE MKiv Supra RZ :)
Honda-B18C Integra :)
Mazda-renisis 13B RX8 :)
Mitsubushi-4G63BT Evo 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 :)
Holden- 427 from the 427 :) (NOT BUILT GRRR)
Ford-GT40 engine :)
Euro- Porchse GT3 :)

megotmea7
11-14-2003, 03:35 AM
how is the B18C1/C5 better than the C30 or the C32? i find most of that list comical...

Alfahollic
11-14-2003, 06:57 AM
Alfa Romeo Giulia GTAm (1970-71)

1750cc: 220bhp @ 7200 rpm 220 km/h
2000cc: 240bhp @ 7500 rpm 240km/h

Alfa Romeo 159 (1951)

Although only four of these racing cars were ever built, it has still gone down in history. The 1479cc engine - the most powerful 1500 ever built - developed 425 bhp at 9300 rpm and could propel the Alfa 159 along at more than 300 km/h. The two-stage supercharged engine was now producing 420 bhp at 9600 on the same 1937 designed block!

MacF1
11-14-2003, 08:19 AM
anyone hear the new GTO's engine...........sounds pretty mean!!

www.pontiac.com

Prowl
11-15-2003, 04:45 PM
Cobra/GT40 427, 426 HEMI, or L88's 427

fpv_gtho
11-16-2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by -datsun 1600-
Nissan-RB26DETT Skyline GTR :)
Toyota-2JZ-GTE MKiv Supra RZ :)
Honda-B18C Integra :)
Mazda-renisis 13B RX8 :)
Mitsubushi-4G63BT Evo 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 :)
Holden- 427 from the 427 :) (NOT BUILT GRRR)
Ford-GT40 engine :)
Euro- Porchse GT3 :)

holden cant take credit for the 427 engine, they got it from the corvette C5-R

Egg Nog
11-16-2003, 01:44 AM
I just can't decide... anyway, here's one of my favorite 4-cylinder powerplants:

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=17307#post17307

NoOne
11-16-2003, 07:43 AM
I don't know first-hand, but I've heard it a million times, that the best engine ever is the early 1970's Mercedes-Benz 3.0 litre diesel, which I believe is an OHC inline 5 cylinder. I've heard claims of a million+ miles trouble-free. That's gotta be a helluva feat !!:)

BiTurbo
11-16-2003, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by MacF1
anyone hear the new GTO's engine...........sounds pretty mean!!

www.pontiac.com
Never will - only the US can have an engine note that LOUD.:D

bum-man
12-08-2003, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by NoOne
I don't know first-hand, but I've heard it a million times, that the best engine ever is the early 1970's Mercedes-Benz 3.0 litre diesel, which I believe is an OHC inline 5 cylinder. I've heard claims of a million+ miles trouble-free. That's gotta be a helluva feat !!:)
im half way there :D

Nildo
12-09-2003, 04:06 PM
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Best 6 cylinder? What about 2JZ-gte...capable of holding~1000 hp on a stock block...

The 2jz is the best straight 6 engine, turbo or atmo, in any car that costs less than $200000 australian. It has, as Megotmea7 pointed out, stupendous potential, but even in standard form it has good power (320 bhp), excellent tractability due to it's sequential turbo set-up, reliability, strength, great noise. For the money it really is tough to beat. It's in gear response murders that of the RB26 DETT skyline engine, and it has a more tractable nature than an (atmospheric compression) BMW M3. Don't knock it until you have tried it

crisis
12-09-2003, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by MacF1
anyone hear the new GTO's engine...........sounds pretty mean!!

www.pontiac.com

"Only" a GenIII but they got it sounding pretty good on the web site. Of course being a V8 its only a matter of removing annoying mufflers and adding sweet extractors. The only bad sounding V8 is a quiet one.

fpv_gtho
12-10-2003, 01:33 AM
well its always nice to get a decent sounding exhaust from the factory, but if everyone done that then the aftermarket exhaust business wouldnt be as big as it is. i reckon as long as its got a nice sound at idle it should be good

NoOne
12-10-2003, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by bum-man
im half way there :D

Congrats, it took this long (26 yrs) to get a 1/2 million? hope the second half takes just as long .... there has to be bragging rights when you can drive 50+ yrs on 1 engine :cool: :D :cool:

Infinity
12-17-2003, 03:36 AM
Any guessed which motor this is. This motor when well sorted can out run an M3 or Audi TT from standstill. They will however catch it on the longer drags.

Now here's a challenge for u.

henk4
12-17-2003, 05:41 AM
asa 1000 GT.

There are one cylinder ferrari testbed engines in the Ferrari Museum as well

Infinity
12-17-2003, 05:45 AM
This motor was designed by Ferrari. Installed in a different make of car i.e. not a Ferrari. CC's =1372

henk4
12-17-2003, 05:47 AM
Originally posted by Infinity
This motor was designed by Ferrari. Installed in a different make of car i.e. not a Ferrari. CC's =1372

An Innocenti of some sort?

Infinity
12-17-2003, 05:49 AM
I inadvertently gave the game away in my signature

henk4
12-17-2003, 05:53 AM
I had not realised that otherwise I would have suggested the a Nissan, or may be the Arna if you know what that is.

Infinity
12-17-2003, 05:58 AM
Yep I know the Arna. My first car was the 1.5 Ti Alfasud ( best handling car of its time) Alfa and Nissan collaborated to make the Arna using Alfasud mechanicals (don't let a matchbox near it or it will set fire to itself... so bad it was).

As for the Uno Turbo. I have seen this motor produce well over 200 KW and that beat the M3 and TT

lfb666
12-17-2003, 09:31 PM
Engine:
4 Cylinders = Lotus Elise 111S - 2000

Engine
Cylinders: 4
Engine Configuration: Inline
Aspiration/Induction: Normal
Displacement: 1796 cc | 109.6 cu in. | 1.8 L.
Valves: 16. 4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain: DOHC
Horsepower: 105.2 Kw / 143 BHP @ 7000 RPM
Torque: 173.6 Nm / 128 Ft-lbs @ 4500 RPM
Bore: 3.1501 in | 76.2 mm. | 0.1 m.
Stroke: 3.5201 in | 101.6 mm. | 0.1 m.
Compression Ratio: NA


Engine:
8 Cylinders = Spyker C8 Double 12S

Engine
Cylinders: 8
Engine Configuration: V
Aspiration/Induction: Normal
Displacement: 3.9 L | 244.1 cu in. | 3999.2 cc.
Valves: 40. 5 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain: DOHC
Horsepower: 456.3 Kw / 620 BHP
Torque: 520.7 Nm /
Bore: 3.3301 in | 76.2 mm. | 0.1 m.
Stroke: 3.6601 in | 101.6 mm. | 0.1 m.
Compression Ratio: NA

Engine:
12 Cylinders = Pagani Zonda C12-S

Engine
Cylinders: 12
Engine Configuration: V
Aspiration/Induction: Normal
Displacement: 7291 cc | 444.9 cu in. | 7.3 L.
Valves: 48. 4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain: DOHC
Horsepower: 408.5 Kw / 555 BHP @ 5900 RPM
Torque: 745.8 Nm / 550 Ft-lbs @ 4050 RPM
Bore: 3.601 in | 101.6 mm. | 0.1 m.
Stroke; 3.601 in | 101.6 mm. | 0.1 m.
Compression Ratio: NA

Engine:
16 Cylinders = Bugatti 16/4 Veyron - 2002

Engine
Cylinders: 16
Engine Configuration: W
Aspiration/Induction: Quad Turbo
Displacement: 7993 cc | 487.7 cu in. | 8.0 L.
Valves; 64. 4 valves per cylinder.
Valvetrain: DOHC
Horsepower: 736.7 Kw / 1001 BHP @ 6000 RPM
Torque: 1250.2 Nm / 922 Ft-lbs @ 2200 RPM
Bore: 3.3901 in | 76.2 mm. | 0.1 m.
Stroke: 3.3901 in | 76.2 mm. | 0.1 m.
Compression Ratio: 9.0:1

fpv_gtho
12-17-2003, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by lfb666

Bore: 3.1501 in | 76.2 mm. | 0.1 m.
Stroke: 3.5201 in | 101.6 mm. | 0.1 m.


are you sure these are the right way around, if thats how they really are, that must be one hell of a stressed engine

Infinity
12-18-2003, 01:56 AM
Any1 guess what this motor is?

Egg Nog
12-18-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by Infinity
Any1 guess what this motor is?

I think its pretty safe to say that engine is a 1.4 litre Turbocharged Uno unit :)

fpv_gtho
12-18-2003, 08:39 PM
it looks to me like a cosworth engine

Infinity
12-18-2003, 10:51 PM
"I think its pretty safe to say that engine is a 1.4 litre Turbocharged Uno unit " says Egg Nog

The first picture I posted yes but not the second 1.

"it looks to me like a cosworth engine" says fpv_Gtho

Nope Try again.

I'll give you a clue. The pic is the car it is installed in. But do not be fooled by the make of the car. I'll post more pics of when we were building the car.

T33
12-18-2003, 11:45 PM
Without a doubt:

ALL Abarth/ Abarth Simca some of these normally aspirated four cylinder motors developed over 140 horse power per liter!


Alfa Romeo: P2 supercharged 1.4 liter 400+ horse power in the 1930's - their aircraft radial engines held horsepower records until the mid 40's- 1950's 159 formula 1 engine- V-8 2000cc Can Am/ sport prototype motors made mostly of titanium - flat 12 cylinder of late 70's F-1 produced more horsepower than Ferrari.


Ferrari motors: almost all of them not to forget the 330P3 / the 212E- mountain climb motor flat 12 2liter 300+ hp at 14,000+ rpm
the F-1 turbo v-6's rumors of around 1500 horsepower.

Lancia: legendary smoothness and power of their V-4's and V-6's,
600+ hp rally cars faster than Formula One cars.

Maserati V-8's and 12's gear driven DOHC and double ignition when most other companies were still perfecting rocker arms.

Mercedes: 1950's vintage inline 8 desmo valve train with direct injection and pressed roller bearing crankshaft- the best "street" Wankel in their C111.

AutoUnion: 1930's/40's V16 Only when driven by Nuvolari could this magnificent beast of a motor when powering an equally magnificent beast of a car could make you see God. To hear its exhaust note at idle is nothing short of a religious experience.

Honourable mention: GM 6/8/71 supercharged two stroke diesels of the 1940's - MV/ Agusta four :1950 alloy sand cast DOHC 500/600/750cc. MotoGuzzi 250cc V8 Grand Prix bike motor. Ducati Desmo motors.

henk4
12-19-2003, 01:36 PM
The MotoGuzzi V8 was actually a 500 CC, here's a pic of this amazing machine, and for the cognoscenti a 250FV12 Maserati engine

Nildo
12-20-2003, 03:49 PM
FPV I looked it up and the Elise stats I have put bore at 80 mm and stroke at 89.3 mm. Sounds a bit more reasonable.

Nice list T 33. Actually I have another engine I think is pretty special. The 4.0 litre TVR Tuscan engine. 328 kw from a 4.0 is great!

Oh, and the Arna was total crap, wasn't it?

fpv_gtho
12-20-2003, 06:11 PM
FPV I looked it up and the Elise stats I have put bore at 80 mm and stroke at 89.3 mm. Sounds a bit more reasonable.


thats sounding alot more reasonable for something making peak power at 7000rpm, but it still seems proportionally similar to that of the BOSS V8, maybe cause its got half the cylinders and theyre overall smaller it can rev harder

Touran
12-25-2003, 10:58 AM
What do you think of this motor????

NAZCA C2
01-12-2004, 07:39 PM
The best engine is the 6.0 liter BMW V-12 that is in the Mclaren F1. This engine makes 627hp and about 500 lb-ft of torque. It also meets CA emission standards and gets decent gas mileage. Versions of this engine also powered the Mclaren F1 cars that raced Le Mans in the mid 90's.

Smokescreen
01-14-2004, 09:14 PM
'66 Ford 427 Cammer
657bhp, 550 lb-ft

fpv_gtho
01-15-2004, 12:07 AM
i was under the impression the cammer was making closer to 700hp

Ferrari Tifosi
01-19-2004, 11:59 AM
The Four Rotor Engine from the Mazda 787B

tncarsonjr
01-21-2004, 09:15 PM
Which motor is the best motor ever made by a manufactor? Please post also some pics (if you have some) of that motor.

Greetz Touran ;)
Well there is one engine that is used in trucks cars race cars and carroll shelby chose it first to put it in the ac cobra and that was a small block 5.7 chevrolet.

tncarsonjr
01-21-2004, 09:24 PM
I would say jaguar's turbo v-6 and GM 5.7. Even Carrol Shelby chose it first to put in the AC Cobra. I saw a 5.7 in a 96 street car that puts out 1200+horsepower and I have one in my truck with 210000miles on it and has yet to be tore down and rebuilt.

fpv_gtho
01-22-2004, 12:27 AM
theres alot better engines in the world than the chev small block. as for carrol selby using them in the AC cobra this is the first ive heard of it. he started with a 260 ford small block, moved to the 289 then went to the 427, quite a jump considering

SHAKER
01-22-2004, 02:08 AM
its got to be the big block hemis, they still use the block design today in top fuellers, and theyre the fastest accelarating vehicles in the planet.

SHAKER
01-22-2004, 02:11 AM
theres alot better engines in the world than the chev small block. as for carrol selby using them in the AC cobra this is the first ive heard of it. he started with a 260 ford small block, moved to the 289 then went to the 427, quite a jump considering
well he did aproach chevrolet first and they knocked him back, where as ford jumped at it. We compared the conrods to a small block chev to a 6 cylinder hemi 265, and the hemis were nearly twice the thickness, so no points to gm for that

fpv_gtho
01-22-2004, 02:16 AM
well looking back on it, the top ford exec's probably consider it as one of the smartest decisions theyve ever made. now that theyre back workign with carrol there must be alot of people wondering what couldve happened had ford not stuck the GT-350 badges on a 20th anniversary version......

the hemi 426 is a good call, as i recall it was NoOne who said it was a street modified race engine whereas the ford and chev big block engines were race modified street engines. i still wouldnt knock back a ford 427 cammer though,

SHAKER
01-22-2004, 02:48 AM
well thats cause ur a ford man lol.....i love american hemis and american fords and some chevs, ei 400 ci 1969camaro and 1957 2 door belair convertable

fpv_gtho
01-22-2004, 03:06 AM
i think everyone loves 57 bel air convertibles, theyve got a ticket on them as big as the phase 3. the worst thing about the 427 cammer is the timing chain is about 7 foot long so theres a fair bit of stretch between all of the links so alot of people have gone for a gilmer drive, practically a belt drive

NoOne
01-22-2004, 08:23 AM
the hemi 426 is a good call, as i recall it was NoOne who said it was a street modified race engine whereas the ford and chev big block engines were race modified street engines. i still wouldnt knock back a ford 427 cammer though,
The Ford 427 SOHC was brilliant, a shame Chrysler didn't up the ante once more with its 426 DOHC, which I believe only 2 were ever built and 1 of them is on display at "The Don Garlits Museum of Drag Racing", I'll have to do some research on the specs.

fpv_gtho
01-22-2004, 08:31 AM
DOHC?? well you'll have to forgive me for saying this but ford and chrysler were toying with OHC back in the 60's and today GM is still using OHV and wants to make a twin cam OHV. makes you think theyve either discovered something others havent cause 40 years ago people new OHC was the next step forward......

although both the ford SOHC and chrysler DOHC were only toyed around with for race applications, could you just imagine what wouldve happened if they went mainstream?

NoOne
01-22-2004, 09:26 AM
If I remember correctly the 427 SOHC had an incredible power curve all the way up to 9000 rpm with over 750 hp !! I have no idea what the torque curve or figures are.

fpv_gtho
01-22-2004, 06:37 PM
well if they revved that hard i wouldnt expect too much more than 500ft/lbs torque which is still a substantial amount

Doza
01-26-2004, 07:09 PM
non production is this beauty: http://sdpc2000.com/cart.asp?action=prod_detail&catid=1579&pid=14349

Production is probably the LS6 :D

Bear87G
01-30-2004, 03:02 PM
Maybe not street legal or such and maybe not production but thought I's post the beauty anyways.

SPN:DOC
01-30-2004, 06:07 PM
BMW M3 e46 naturally aspirated Vanos straight six 3.3L 252kw and 365nm of torque :D :D

MrVette83
02-20-2004, 08:09 PM
Three of the best engines i can think of are the
RB26DETT from the Skyline, the 2JZ from the Supra, and the LS1Chevy V-8. I include the last one just because it's so versatile, I've seen it in everything from Camaros and Firebirds all the way to RX-7's and BMWs.

Mustang
02-21-2004, 04:53 AM
Ok so it isnt in production but i think it has te best engine(s) out of them all.
this thing has ot 7500 bhp and the driver can choose between having either 5 or 6 big block chevvy V8's.

http://www.tractorpulling.freeserve.co.uk/

Suka
02-21-2004, 05:02 AM
Now I don't know an awful lot about other engines but i like the Rover K 1.8 VVC simply because I put one in my Libra and had to recently replace the Head Gasket and lightened the fly on it a while ago aswell, i didnt personally but my Dad is good friends woth the guy who does Ford's WRC teams flywheels, His name is Mick Jennings he owns a breakers yard upi the road form us.

Matra et Alpine
02-21-2004, 07:24 AM
How about the engine from the Fiat "Mephistopheles".

This was the last of the big-engine approach to faster speed in car racing in the 20s. It managed nearly 150 mph.

But the engine ........ 22 litre straight 6 producing 300bhp at about 1500 rpm !!!

Now wouldn't we all like to see and hear that running :)
Each CYLINDER was over 3.5 litres.
One piston bigger than most of the engines we're talking about !!

Doza
02-21-2004, 09:24 AM
Ok so it isnt in production but i think it has te best engine(s) out of them all.
this thing has ot 7500 bhp and the driver can choose between having either 5 or 6 big block chevvy V8's.

http://www.tractorpulling.freeserve.co.uk/
Damn that's excessive..... and I thought one 572CI was a bit crazy.

henk4
02-21-2004, 10:11 AM
How about the engine from the Fiat "Mephistopheles".

This was the last of the big-engine approach to faster speed in car racing in the 20s. It managed nearly 150 mph.

But the engine ........ 22 litre straight 6 producing 300bhp at about 1500 rpm !!!

Now wouldn't we all like to see and hear that running :)
Each CYLINDER was over 3.5 litres.
One piston bigger than most of the engines we're talking about !!


Here is a picture of a model of this car (1/12 scale) made by Dan Parratt. One I'll hope to finish mine.

Suka
02-21-2004, 11:00 AM
How about the engine from the Fiat "Mephistopheles".
For a moment there i thought you were just mashing random keys on the keyboard!

henk4
02-21-2004, 01:51 PM
For a moment there i thought you were just mashing random keys on the keyboard!

This has earned you one reputation point ;)

Matra et Alpine
02-21-2004, 03:14 PM
Here is a picture of a model of this car (1/12 scale) made by Dan Parratt. One I'll hope to finish mine.
Where do you get the kit ?
And how BIG is the finished model :)

henk4
02-22-2004, 01:23 AM
The kit was made by Protar, (from Tarquinio Provini fame) which has now been taken over by Italeri, and a reissue has been announced. It will set you off with about 150-200 Euro. Should be available in the UK, and Ebay would also be an option. I don't know the exact size of the kit, the box is pretty big.

crisis
02-22-2004, 10:28 PM
The kit was made by Protar, (from Tarquinio Provini fame) which has now been taken over by Italeri, and a reissue has been announced. It will set you off with about 150-200 Euro. Should be available in the UK, and Ebay would also be an option. I don't know the exact size of the kit, the box is pretty big.
Protar have made some obscenely awsome models of cars and bikes, and bikes pushbike style as well I beleive. Right up your alley there Matra but they are not for the faint hearted. No Airfix 1/72 Spitfires here. Metal rubber, plastic and all the goodies.

Matra et Alpine
02-23-2004, 06:15 AM
No Airfix 1/72 Spitfires here. Metal rubber, plastic and all the goodies.
The mroe detail is the better for kits.
I prefer full detail rather than kerbside.
I try to add extras the original kit doesn't include like wiring looms, leads, switches, relays, fuseboxes.
My ultimate 'add-on' was the careful dust build up on a Datsun 240Z rally car.
It was the MOST realistic way of creating the "rallied on the safari" look as it had real depth.
Sad tale was after the first attempt I came home and my new wife of only a month told me she'd been really careful and had cleaned the cabinet and my models. Yep -s he'd remove almost allt he dust :( It took a few times counting to 10 !!!!!

henk4
02-23-2004, 06:45 AM
The mroe detail is the better for kits.
I prefer full detail rather than kerbside.
I try to add extras the original kit doesn't include like wiring looms, leads, switches, relays, fuseboxes.
My ultimate 'add-on' was the careful dust build up on a Datsun 240Z rally car.
It was the MOST realistic way of creating the "rallied on the safari" look as it had real depth.
Sad tale was after the first attempt I came home and my new wife of only a month told me she'd been really careful and had cleaned the cabinet and my models. Yep -s he'd remove almost allt he dust :( It took a few times counting to 10 !!!!!

Ough, my cabinet is off limits for any female hand.
When I am back home I'll send a picture of the Protar RE23, (1/12) according to the box containing more than 800 parts (including screws). Wonderful model, I recently saw another and had no hesitation to make it change hands.

crisis
02-23-2004, 04:05 PM
Perhaps a post of some photos of your work gentlemen.

byronleehk
02-23-2004, 04:06 PM
My ultimate 'add-on' was the careful dust build up on a Datsun 240Z rally car.
It was the MOST realistic way of creating the "rallied on the safari" look as it had real depth.



Matra,

Can you tell me more about how this dust 'add-on' works? I'm into model kit building and I'm having troubles in weathering rally cars.

Thanks.

Matra et Alpine
02-23-2004, 04:36 PM
Matra,

Can you tell me more about how this dust 'add-on' works? I'm into model kit building and I'm having troubles in weathering rally cars.

Thanks.
First, I have to admit it started by accident - well being a bachelor actually :)
It sat on top of my loudspeaker for a couple of months untouched.
I noticed that the very fine dust was about the right colour and texture for Sahara sand at 1:12 !

So I decided to leave it.
I collected dust from all the surface and laid it on with a VERY fine brush to build up areas.
I used damp brush to clean wiper areas.
I cleaned away where mechanics hands would have cleaned dust.

It looked fantastic after 6 months.
A real thick layer.

I Thought I should spray it with a matt lacquer to seal it and make it permanent, but every time I tested on scrap pieces it always flattened and didn't look natural.

So once it's out of storage, it'll get the same treatment again.

You can get weathering materials - oo-scale raildroad modellers have fantastic stuff to play with. You can buy dirt, mud, sand of colours to match the real world. But, I've had a friend-of-friend who specialised in railroad say that he'd never seen anything as good as the 240Z :)

crisis
02-23-2004, 05:57 PM
You can use artist pastels by scraping them into powder and applying with a brush. Some guys are good with an airbrush but you need big cohones to spray brown paint over a meticuloulsy crated paint scheme. If you used enamel paints for the base you can spray acrylic over the top and it can be removed if your lucky and quick if you dont like it.

henk4
02-23-2004, 11:13 PM
Perhaps a post of some photos of your work gentlemen.
Agreed, have to get home first though, later this week. Hope you don't mind a pic of a Tamiya 2CV, very nice kit, with extremely realistic suspension components.

crisis
02-23-2004, 11:25 PM
Agreed, have to get home first though, later this week. Hope you don't mind a pic of a Tamiya 2CV, very nice kit, with extremely realistic suspension components.
This is what I look forward to every day. Laughed my proverbial proverbials off!

ace
02-23-2004, 11:58 PM
my pick some prob's in fitting