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porlamfer
11-21-2003, 11:19 AM
Don't you think this car looks very strange?
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch3?pic=image161.jpg&show=2003PebbleBeachConcoursd'Elegance
DasModell
11-22-2003, 09:01 AM
thats no bugatti ..
henk4
11-23-2003, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by DasModell
thats no bugatti ..
It surely is, this pic is taken at the Pebble Beach concours, and they would not allow cars that have a Bugatti logo on the grill and still aren't one.
The Bugatti 101 was the only type that was built after the war. Six were constructed, this one bodied by Ghia was once owned by Virgil Exner. Two others are still in the Schlumpf museum in Mulhouse, France.
white devil
11-23-2003, 07:17 PM
Off course it is cant you see the sign & here is an other pic
white devil
11-23-2003, 07:18 PM
I like this Maserati what about u ?:confused:
henk4
11-24-2003, 03:17 AM
5000 GT Frua I suppose.
Misho
11-24-2003, 03:55 AM
u can tell that this Maserati was probably awesome for its time, id still love to own it now. as for that Bugatti, it sure does look strange. especially in that second pic with the front end.
DasModell
11-29-2003, 05:33 AM
i know it has a badge . and a radiator grill .. i "have" photos of this car .. and it was done around 1962 .. i think ...but my point was that .. although it has a Bugatti chassis(it is a remodeling if i'm not mistaking :)) I'm not considering that car a car worthy of the name .. ( Veyron also :) :) :) )
henk4
11-29-2003, 06:05 AM
you could well be right about this, I suppose it could have been a bare chassis left over from the defunct factory. The body looks way to modern for a late forties car but the Ghia design's from the fifties were quite extravagant. I think organisers of concourses may have a blind eye for Bugatti derivatives, I think they even allow the Atlantic copy to show up, but not participate.
Batmobile_Turbo
11-30-2003, 08:51 PM
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: that bugatti and that maserati are so extremely beutiful and wicked.
kennyknoxville
12-05-2003, 04:40 PM
i like the bugatti. its obscene
bum-man
12-05-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by white devil
I like this Maserati what about u ?:confused:
certainly do.
Egg Nog
12-06-2003, 12:05 AM
It's a Bugattillac :)
godrie
12-06-2003, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by porlamfer
Don't you think this car looks very strange?
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch3?pic=image161.jpg&show=2003PebbleBeachConcoursd'Elegance
Yes, strange but a beauty :)
Alfahollic
12-12-2003, 04:10 AM
Don't you think this car looks very strange?
O a less serious note, i think the person on the left looks more strange. :p
porlamfer
12-12-2003, 02:45 PM
Who's grandma is she?
godrie
12-20-2003, 10:07 AM
Are the're more variants of the Bugatti 101 than this one ?
:confused:
henk4
12-20-2003, 10:17 AM
Are the're more variants of the Bugatti 101 than this one ?
:confused:
Check Google, type in
Bugatti Type 101 (check for pictures)
and you will find a few more pictures of other versions. All in all about 6 chassis were constructed and 4 of them are in National Motor Museum in Mulhouse (the former Schlumpf Collection). The type 101 was an attempt to continue the pre-war 57, using a standard chassis but using a Cotal electro-mechanical gearbox. It could be had with or without supercharger. Most bodies were made by Gangloff.
DasModell
12-22-2003, 05:28 AM
here's a nice 101
http://www.quattroruote.it/autoclassiche/automoto/protagoniste/visualizza_articolo.cfm?codice=8881&sez=Protagoniste
henk4
12-22-2003, 05:34 AM
here's a nice 101
http://www.quattroruote.it/autoclassiche/automoto/protagoniste/visualizza_articolo.cfm?codice=8881&sez=Protagoniste
Interesting, a Michelotti body. This article also counts 10 different models, while Hugh Conway, (the well respected Bugatti guru) gives 6 as the total numbers built). Is this also a rebodied Gangloff car? I vaguely remember having seen a picture of this car before.
henk4
12-22-2003, 05:47 AM
:D :D
here's a nice 101
http://www.quattroruote.it/autoclassiche/automoto/protagoniste/visualizza_articolo.cfm?codice=8881&sez=Protagoniste
Hi Dani, I have just been trying to become of member of the site you listed here, but the registration form only allows Italy to be country of domicile, and cant't put in any other mandatory data. Did you manage to get a login?
DasModell
12-23-2003, 02:02 AM
strange but yes... i am a member .. i put the real country .. but i did it two years ago . so maybe they changed something . anyway . i can give you my log-in password ..
i got it . when you get to this page
http://www.quattroruote.it/club/registrazione/informativa.cfm?sito=rcl
look for Residente/Living: and choose Estero/Abroad . it should work
henk4
12-23-2003, 02:17 AM
strange but yes... i am a member .. i put the real country .. but i did it two years ago . so maybe they changed something . anyway . i can give you my log-in password ..
i got it . when you get to this page
http://www.quattroruote.it/club/registrazione/informativa.cfm?sito=rcl
look for Residente/Living: and choose Estero/Abroad . it should work
It did, I actually overlooked that you not only could change the language but also your country of residence, which of course stands default at Italy. Thanks for the advice.
DasModell
12-23-2003, 02:34 AM
no problem . and Btw . happy birthday :) :) altough a bit late .. :)
henk4
12-23-2003, 02:37 AM
no problem . and Btw . happy birthday :) :) altough a bit late .. :)
Thanks, just wake up from it.
I found two pics on the Exner Bugatti on Peter Madles homepage. I contacted him and he met Exner Junior in his studio and photographed the mirror model of the exner Bugatti. It was built in 1965 by Ghia, that is definite. Here are the links to a rendering by Exner Senior and the two models:
http://www.madle.org/ebug.htm
http://www.madle.org/xnrbug101xj.JPG
http://www.madle.org/xnrbug101mod1.jpg
http://www.madle.org/xnrbug101mod2.jpg
http://www.madle.org/xnrbug101mod3.jpg
press release by Ghia:
http://www.madle.org/xnrbug101.JPG
another pic by Blackhawk collection
http://www.madle.org/xnrbug101bh.JPG
Bugatti 101
I also found pics of the Antem and the other T 101 models:
Antem:
http://www.bugattipage.com/voitures/bugatti/bgt-4-u2.jpg
Prototype of a T 101 Limousine in the Collection Schlumpf, Muhlhouse/Alsace (1952):
http://www.madle.org/bug101sdn.jpg
Coupé Gangloff-Bugatti T 101 (1951):
http://www.madle.org/bug101cpe.jpg
Bugatti 101 Gangloff-Bugatti Cabriolet (1951):
http://www.madle.org/bug101cabrio24.jpg
Bugatti 101 Gangloff-Bugatti Cabriolet (1951):
http://www.madle.org/bug101cabrio.jpg
netburner
10-14-2004, 02:29 AM
The 101 is not the only Bugatti after WW II, there was the 251 (1955):
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=1955_bugatti_type_251-1.jpg
and the 252 (1957):
http://www.supercars.net/PicFetch?pic=1957_bugatti_type_252-1.jpg
Both cars you can see in the Schlumpf-Collection in France.
Hey netburner, nice pics. I like the Roadster a lot!
There was also the Type 73 A Prototype designed by Ettore Bugatti himself, dated 1947. That ist a nice small car that was probably supposed to compete with the VW Beetle which was technically outdated already at that time; too bad it didn' come into production. It has doors like the Atlantic that reached into the roof.
Here it is:
http://www.bugattipage.com/voitures/bugatti/t73a.jpg
I appreciate more pictures of any postwar cars of Bugatti if you guys have any, especially rear views that are so difficult to find. The rears of those Bugattis were sometimes even more beautiful!!
henk4
10-14-2004, 06:20 AM
did you ever visit the Schlumpf collection?
Hi Henk,
if you are referring to me, yes I habe been to the Schlumpf collection, but at that time my Camera malfunctionned :mad:
Next time I'll have a high resolution camera, that's for sure. It's afantastic museum. I could spend years there and just looking. It's amazing how they reconstructed that Royale 41 Esders! I spent a lot of time comparing original photographs with the rebuild, I thimk it's great. They even used original parts. I saw a switch on the dash that was in a very bad shape, but it was original!!
So have you been there?
henk4
10-14-2004, 06:38 AM
Yes, four times now, last time december 2003 coming back from the Ferrari auction in Gstaad. I am somehow UCP related and we did a large fotoshoot in the museum, causing guards to ask us whether we were working on a professional basis. There are many pics in UCP's archives, and sometime they may come out. It is however a pity that the then (current) location of the Royales was soo dark, difficult to get good shots.
Hi Henk,
if you are referring to me, yes I habe been to the Schlumpf collection, but at that time my Camera malfunctionned :mad:
Next time I'll have a high resolution camera, that's for sure. It's afantastic museum. I could spend years there and just looking. It's amazing how they reconstructed that Royale 41 Esders! I spent a lot of time comparing original photographs with the rebuild, I thimk it's great. They even used original parts. I saw a switch on the dash that was in a very bad shape, but it was original!!
So have you been there?
That was exactly my problem. The darkness plus a bad camera. It might be they have to protect the precious fabric in the interior of the Coupé Napoléon. I know that sunlight kills colors in fabric. When I have some more time I might start a new thread on the Royales and post all the pictures i found on the net. Some interior pics, also. These are just magnificent cars. It is unbelievable how Jean Bugatti managed these voluminous cars to look so elegant. It's the shape of the fenders I guess.
I have a question to you guys:
Does anybody know when the Type 101 Antem was built? The Chassis is probably from 1951, but I couldn't find a reliable date for the body either. I found 1951, 1953 and 1956. Please help me, I am writing a thesis on car design and I am missing just that date! It must be 1953 or later, I would say. There's the car:http://www.bugattipage.com/voitures/bugatti/bgt-4-u2.jpg
(It belonged to the actor Nicolas Cage before it was auctioned in 2002 and I don't know who owns it now, otherwise I would contact the person.)
henk4
10-14-2004, 11:48 PM
I have a question to you guys:
Does anybody know when the Type 101 Antem was built? The Chassis is probably from 1951, but I couldn't find a reliable date for the body either. I found 1951, 1953 and 1956. Please help me, I am writing a thesis on car design and I am missing just that date! It must be 1953 or later, I would say. There's the car:http://www.bugattipage.com/voitures/bugatti/bgt-4-u2.jpg
(It belonged to the actor Nicolas Cage before it was auctioned in 2002 and I don't know who owns it now, otherwise I would contact the person.)
Do you know where it was auctioned and by whom?
This is what I found in the net: (http://www.myauction.com/index.html?/Auctions/148/Detail/Lot_63.html)
1951 Bugatti Type 101 SC Coupe
RM Auctions - Lot Number: 63
Vintage Motor Cars in Amelia Island
Location: Ritz Carlton Hotel, Amelia Island, FL
Phone: 310.246.9880 Auction Date: Saturday, March 9, 2002, 1:00 PM EST
Financially in disarray at the close of the 20th century’s fourth decade, World War II and its aftermath spelled the end of Ettore Bugatti’s enterprise. Its personnel and machinery were whipsawed back and forth across France by successive wartime regimes, its Molsheim production facilities and staff hijacked by the Reich to build torpedoes and Hans Trippel’s amphibious vehicles. Ettore’s heir-apparent, the gifted and creative Jean Bugatti died in a testing accident in 1939. Ettore Bugatti himself, isolated in Paris, was judged a belligerent by the postwar government because of his Italian citizenship and stripped of his property. His death in 1947, at only 58, split what could be recovered of the Bugatti enterprise into two camps along the lines of the families of his two marriages.
Yet out of this shambles the allure of the Bugatti automobile emerged, not only from its honored tradition but also from, it seems, a sense of duty felt by the family, the workers, and the designers who had labored under le patron’s influence. Bugatti had its own display at the 1947 Paris Salon, exhibiting the Type 73; a one liter supercharged design intended both as a road and race car. The Type 73, however, was too ambitious for the Molsheim facility – ruined by the retreating Germans – to build in quantity.
Four years passed in which the family partially settled its differences and the Molsheim works were rebuilt, supported by orders from the French railways for parts and service on the Royale-engined Bugatti railcars, subcontract production of weaving looms, castings, and machining work for Citroên. But the Bugatti automobile remained central to the Bugatti tradition and general manager, Pierre Marco, along with Roland Bugatti – the youngest of Ettore’s children from his first marriage – created the Type 101, two examples of which graced Bugatti’s stand at the 1951 Paris Salon. These were a drophead coupe by Gangloff and a two-door coupé by Paris-based Van Antem – the car offered here.
The Type 101 was, essentially, a prewar Type 57, including the 3.3 -liter dual overhead supercharged camshaft straight eight engine and solid axle suspension. Its coachwork, however, was thoroughly modern, a full-width streamlined envelope creation that owed only a curved and stylized Bugatti horseshoe radiator grille to classic Bugatti designs. However, the success or failure of the Type 101 was determined not by its character or appearance but by Bugatti’s decision to leave the Type 57 engine’s displacement intact, putting it in a 17 cheveaux vapeur fiscal horsepower class which imposed confiscatory annual taxes under postwar French regulations. Only about eight Type 101s were built and the Van Antem coupé offered here is arguably the most visually striking.
Nicolas Cage said of this car, "I think Bugattis are the zenith of automobile design and I am particularly impressed by the Van Antem. Its rear is much like the ’62 Corvette. In fact, I think Corvette styling owes a lot to Bugatti design."
Nicolas Cage’s 1951 Bugatti Type 101 is, indeed, striking, and the shape of its roof, rear deck, and fenders instantly recalls the treatment of the later solid-axle Corvettes. The matte black heat shield over its outside exhaust pipe is in marked contrast to the brilliant paint and chrome wire wheels, and further relates to the Corvette imagery. Sold out of France by DeDobbeleer to Robert Stanley, Nick Cage’s Type 101 Van Antem coupé then became an important part of the fabled collection of Bill Harrah before being sold to prominent French automobile proponent, Jacques Harguindeguy. Brilliantly presented in black over red, Nicolas Cage’s Bugatti Type 101 Van Antem coupé has been sympathetically maintained in highly original condition by its succession of owners. The interior seats appear to be the original dark red leather, showing a gentle patina and light surface cracking characteristic of occasional use and consistent care. The interior trim and door panels appear to be newer than the seats and are, in fact, in essentially new condition. The odometer shows only 11,369 kilometers and a glance under the Type 101 shows the chassis to be used to approximately the same mileage. There are a few minor cracks in the paint at body stress points such as over the left door post, and some of the plexiglass glazing has crazed, but it is otherwise clear and fresh.
Equipped with a Cotal electrically-controlled gearbox, Nick Cage’s Bugatti Type 101 Van Antem coupé is visually arresting, strikingly presented, exceptionally handsome, highly original and absolutely unique; it is the only example of the Type 101 with this coachwork. It is ready to be driven, enjoyed, and appreciated both for its outstanding condition and as an exceptional example of the passion and dedication that is Ettore Bugatti’s legacy.
SOLD: $0 to Bidder Handle: .
I don't even know if - and to what price it was sold.
The car was shown at the 1953 Paris Show as I could find out, so it must be after 1953, and not 51. And I don't think it's Van Antem, but Antem. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Any help would be great!!
Here I found out that a green Antem was shown in Paris in 1953:
http://www.macosordet.com/model/bugatti.htm
Glisson
09-27-2006, 07:32 PM
It surely is, this pic is taken at the Pebble Beach concours, and they would not allow cars that have a Bugatti logo on the grill and still aren't one.
The Bugatti 101 was the only type that was built after the war. Six were constructed, this one bodied by Ghia was once owned by Virgil Exner. Two others are still in the Schlumpf museum in Mulhouse, France.
And some more pics, Pieter
J.J.Horst
10-05-2006, 07:10 AM
It surely is, this pic is taken at the Pebble Beach concours, and they would not allow cars that have a Bugatti logo on the grill and still aren't one.
The Bugatti 101 was the only type that was built after the war. Six were constructed, this one bodied by Ghia was once owned by Virgil Exner. Two others are still in the Schlumpf museum in Mulhouse, France.
Correction: The car was DESIGNED by Virgil Exner, who also did a lot of other designs in the same time (1965) as a independent designer. The car was built by Ghia in 1965 on the last Bugatti Chassis ever built. The chassis even says "Fini" (the End) after the chassis number.
The car is now owned by William Lyon, who also owns the famous "Bathtub", the first real Bugatti which Ettore built in the basement of his house, while working for Deutz.
Hold_&
10-05-2006, 01:43 PM
I have a question to you guys:
Does anybody know when the Type 101 Antem was built? The Chassis is probably from 1951, but I couldn't find a reliable date for the body either. I found 1951, 1953 and 1956. Please help me, I am writing a thesis on car design and I am missing just that date! It must be 1953 or later, I would say. There's the car:http://www.bugattipage.com/voitures/bugatti/bgt-4-u2.jpg
(It belonged to the actor Nicolas Cage before it was auctioned in 2002 and I don't know who owns it now, otherwise I would contact the person.)
According to the french revue 'AUTOMOBILES CLASSIQUES' this coachwork is from 1953 or 1954; BTW one of it's previous owners said it was green when he bought it ...
henk4
10-05-2006, 08:51 PM
Correction: The car was DESIGNED by Virgil Exner, who also did a lot of other designs in the same time (1965) as a independent designer. The car was built by Ghia in 1965 on the last Bugatti Chassis ever built. The chassis even says "Fini" (the End) after the chassis number.
The car is now owned by William Lyon, who also owns the famous "Bathtub", the first real Bugatti which Ettore built in the basement of his house, while working for Deutz.
Thanks:)