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Mazda Furai
Here it is now released, the Mazda Furai. I am really not digging the design direction that Mazda is headed in, I hated the Nagare concept and think the Furai is quite hideous. It is however, very novel, as it is essentially a Courage C65 chassis - which I imagine will be very suited to racing and the like. Anyways, according to UCP it has a 3-rotor Wankel good for 450 hp.
Pics are form [URL="http://jalopnik.com/338324/detroit-auto-show-mazda-furai-revealed"]Jalopnik[/URL] and UCP by the way.
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I like all but the nose...
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Thats a cool car......most interesting thing in a while...
I'd bet its loud as hell like the C65 Mazda racecar.....that thing was ear piercingly loud....
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theyve taken the ryuga's grill and the taiki's front wheel arches and side vents. Mazda is making concepts from their own concepts and made their own version on the zonda. I love it.
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This car became epic the second someone said they would build it, great concept, one of the most beautifull cars ever.
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[QUOTE=RacingManiac;772705]I'd bet its loud as hell like the C65 Mazda racecar.....that thing was ear piercingly loud....[/QUOTE]
I doubt it's as loud as an old Lotus 69 at full throttle just inches form you... :p
Does Mazda plan on going racing again?
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What makes me more curious is the BP green fuel sticker is it running methonol? or some other green fuel (knowing my luck its petrol and running bp)
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[QUOTE=Falcon500;772751]What makes me more curious is the BP green fuel sticker is it running methonol? or some other green fuel (knowing my luck its petrol and running bp)[/QUOTE]
Yes, E100 apparently.
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now that's one cool mazda, i like the trend they're sticking with
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**** me sideways, that thing is spectacular. Love it. Can anyone else see a fair bit of McLaren F1 in the profile, particularly in the rear?
[QUOTE=Ferrer;772758]Yes, E100 apparently.[/QUOTE]
E100? Mmm, boost.
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So is this the 787B successor? If it is I hope they make their return to Le Mans with it. While the design isn't my favorite, it is quite a stunning car.
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[QUOTE=Filovirus;772777]So is this the 787B successor? If it is I hope they make their return to Le Mans with it. While the design isn't my favorite, it is quite a stunning car.[/QUOTE]
No it is not, it is a concept car.
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[QUOTE=Ferrer;772745]I doubt it's as loud as an old Lotus 69 at full throttle just inches form you... :p[/QUOTE]
I've never had the pleasure, or even been in the presence of a Lotus 69 at full throttle. I can say with out doubt that the rotary powered Courage-Mazda (that this car is based on) was the loudest car that has run in the ALMS.
[QUOTE=Ferrer;772745]Does Mazda plan on going racing again?[/QUOTE]
B-K Motorsports has run a Mazda powered LMP2 machine for the last 5 years. The current car is a Lola powered by a turbo-charged I4.
[url=http://www.b-kmotorsports.com/bkcarengine.htm]B-K Motorsports[/url]
I do wish Mazda would take a more aggressive approach though. Their program is minuscule compared with Porsche's and Acura's. To me this car signifies more of a desire on Mazda's part to make an uncompromising sportscar. I do think that this concept is far to extreme to make it to the street, but I sure do like what they are thinking.
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I like it a lot, coolest Mazda I've seen.
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Back and 3/4 profile are spot on. Front looks a bit too.. aerofoily, even though it comes off as windcarved. I'd have to let that part grow on me a bit but this is an ace design effort from Mazduh.
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[QUOTE=Turbo.Jenkens;772797]B-K Motorsports has run a Mazda powered LMP2 machine for the last 5 years. The current car is a Lola powered by a turbo-charged I4.
[url=http://www.b-kmotorsports.com/bkcarengine.htm]B-K Motorsports[/url]
I do wish Mazda would take a more aggressive approach though. Their program is minuscule compared with Porsche's and Acura's. To me this car signifies more of a desire on Mazda's part to make an uncompromising sportscar. I do think that this concept is far to extreme to make it to the street, but I sure do like what they are thinking.[/QUOTE]
That's interesting altough it's strange to see a non-rotary Mazda powered race car.
However what I meant is if Mazda was planning on making a full works effort again.
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[QUOTE=Wouter Melissen;772784]No it is not, it is a concept car.[/QUOTE]
I am quite disappointed at that.
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This car looks exceedingly excellent. I would say the best looking Mazda I have ever seen. Does anyone know if Mazda are showing this at NAIAS?
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I like a lot about this car. The one thing I don't like. At all. Is not the nose, but around the nose where it looks like they didn't know what to do so they twisted the metal into bizarre shapes. It doesn't look right.
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[QUOTE=Dino Scuderia;772851][IMG]http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=261783&stc=1&d=1198887627[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Thank you for that comical yet poignant post showing that the front end is butt ugly.
I love all the concept behind the car, the engine, the use of a racing chassis, I just don't like the execution. It's a car I want to drive, not look at.
I thought I read that the car will be shown at the NAIAS.
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Hmm .... since most Jap mainstream manufacturers are coming out with their top of the range racers .... what if Mazda steal the show and produced something on-par with Zonda, yet looks totally Japanese.
I really like their new design direction, totally oriental, totally Japanese, and the names kick asses, Ryuga, Nagare ....
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[QUOTE=Kitdy]I thought I read that the car will be shown at the NAIAS.[/QUOTE]
That is very good since I will be attending. I will be sure to get some good pictures of this.
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Very radical car, renesis rotary is intriguing at least
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[QUOTE=Ferrer;772824]That's interesting altough it's strange to see a non-rotary Mazda powered race car.[/QUOTE]
Restrictor plates are more restrictive to rotarys. The R20B was being choked, only producing about 400hp.
[QUOTE=Ferrer;772824]However what I meant is if Mazda was planning on making a full works effort again.[/QUOTE]
I sure wish they would too. LOL I almost replied "On any given weekend more Mazdas are roadracing than any other brand," but I was afraid of coming off as being a typical smartass American prick.
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Ill try to keep from sounding like a total fan boy.
The car is amazing, I could do without the flappy bodywork on the front, the idea works on the side, but not how it was executed in the grill(s). the cars overall profile is excellent.
I'm not sure how the world would take a Mazda supercar, but I like it nonetheless.
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That's definitely one of the most impressive designs I've seen in a while, I mean if you are going to spend crazy money some some car it should at least look like it came from Blade Runner or something.
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It's as if in the world of CARS (the Pixar animated cartoon), Reventon is the bad guy's ultimate robot, and after defeating Reventon, out comes the ultimate evil boss, Furai.
Supercars are supposed to make us behave like kids just by looking at them. :)
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source in the mazda design department tell me it is a design exercise to show proof of "language" in a moving car, they are racing in the ALMS already in lmp2, and have been- and the MX-5 cup and miata classes are huge- star mazda...various RX7 race cars everywhere proably the single most raced marque in the US today this is not a Mazdaspeed project, it is a design center piece... although they want to use some of the 'flow' lines on the lmp2 racer and other to sell by racing etc.
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we got to ride in it at Laguna Seca (the design staff and significants) I am no designer but this is as said Menacing in person-
not supposed to be a successor to the 787B- as discussed in other places it has 80% of the lmps courage C65 downforce....
(this is of course the plans i heard are North american only if Mazda-Japan want to go racing with it, i don't know, but the Design center has no real connection to MazdaSpeed and North american or japan racing stuff)
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[QUOTE=Turbo.Jenkens;772919]Restrictor plates are more restrictive to rotarys. The R20B was being choked, only producing about 400hp.
I sure wish they would too. LOL I almost replied "On any given weekend more Mazdas are roadracing than any other brand," but I was afraid of coming off as being a typical smartass American prick.[/QUOTE]
Restrictors are larger on rotaries yes, but only slightly so. Why doesn't Mazda make a large rotary that pushes the boundaries of the rules and has like 240 hp/L? That car would only last 1 year before being banned surely but they could own the ALMS!
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[QUOTE=Kitdy;773694]Restrictors are larger on rotaries yes, but only slightly so.[/QUOTE]
That might be true, but the restrictors might effect the rotaries worse than they do normal reciprocating engines.
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Aren't rotaries penalised in terms of displacement too?
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[QUOTE=Ferrer;773724]Aren't rotaries penalised in terms of displacement too?[/QUOTE]
No. To compare the displacement with a four stroke engine, a rotary's displacement is doubled. This has been the same since the first rotary engines hit the track.
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[QUOTE=Kitdy;773694]Restrictors are larger on rotaries yes, but only slightly so. Why doesn't Mazda make a large rotary that pushes the boundaries of the rules and has like 240 hp/L? That car would only last 1 year before being banned surely but they could own the ALMS![/QUOTE]
Why would a car built to the regulations be banned? There is no way that a rotary engined LMP car will be close to competing with the top runners, no matter how hard Mazda might try.
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[QUOTE=Wouter Melissen;773726]No. To compare the displacement with a four stroke engine, a rotary's displacement is doubled. This has been the same since the first rotary engines hit the track.[/QUOTE]
I have not seen this explicitly expressed in the rules anywhere.
Once again, I could be missing something.
[QUOTE=Wouter Melissen;773727]Why would a car built to the regulations be banned? There is no way that a rotary engined LMP car will be close to competing with the top runners, no matter how hard Mazda might try.[/QUOTE]
I meant that if there is such an opportunity for Mazda to exploit the rules, the rules would be modified after the season so that rotaries would be penalized.
Why is this? I thought that Mazda or a rotary team could run a 4L turbocharged rotary in LMP. Mazda's 787B had just short of 250 hp/L (rumored to make 900 odd hp at 11,000 rpm if not limited to 9,000 rpm) and as this is turbocharged I don't see why it couldn't make even more specific power - tentatively this engine could produce 1000 odd peak hp before the air restrictors are taken into account. The air restrictors would limit this power to a degree I am not sure of but it doesn't seem unreasonable they this engine could produce power similar to that of Audi or Peugeot's LMP1 effort.
Hell, Mazda could even opt to go for a 6L naturally aspirated engine with possibly even greater power.
Mazda may not have the monetary resources that Audi or Peugeot do, but if they had a car developing 1000 odd hp without air restrictors, I wouldn't be surprised if they did very well indeed.
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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEOHn7rspsk]YouTube - mazda furai[/url]
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2ndlclass, your custom user title ("Just ****ing make it!") sums up my sentiments exactly. What a wicked looking machine, and yes, it couldn't be mistaken for anything else and definitely has a Japanese identity. I like the whole design! :cool:
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We need this car, out racing, out shredding the tracks!!! PS: Any Hi-Res pics around the web?
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[QUOTE=Kitdy;773729]I
Mazda may not have the monetary resources that Audi or Peugeot do, but if they had a car developing 1000 odd hp without air restrictors, I wouldn't be surprised if they did very well indeed.[/QUOTE]
They may be able to match power, but it's endurance racing...