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[quote=Ferrer;926338]Yep, the old Ibiza.[/quote]
Exellent! Is there an Ibiza wagon?
In respect of the Ibiza hatch, what is the defining difference between it and a true wagon? Is there any? Is it the chamfered rear, rather than a more severely vertical rear glass?
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[quote=nota;926342]Exellent! Is there an Ibiza wagon?
In respect of the Ibiza hatch, what is the defining difference between it and a true wagon? Is there any? Is it the chamfered rear, rather than a more severely vertical rear glass?[/quote]
There was the Cordoba Vario, an Ibiza estate in all but name.
I'd insist again that the main difference, at least today where everything folds if you want, between a hatchback and an estate car is that the estate has a longer rear overhang. Then there are also differences in shape when hatchbacks are liftbacks, but that's for another discussion I guess.
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By the way I managed to save the images. :)
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1939 Chevrolet All Enclosed Coupe #2
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[quote=Ferrer;926343]There was the Cordoba Vario, an Ibiza estate in all but name.
I'd insist again that the main difference, at least today where everything folds if you want, between a hatchback and an estate car is that the estate has a longer rear overhang.[/quote]
But what about the Vega wagon & hatch, which seem to have equal overhang? And I could nominate many other similar examples.
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Then there are also differences in shape when hatchbacks are liftbacks, but that's for another discussion I guess.[/quote]
Whats the clinical difference between liftbacks and hatchbacks? :confused:
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[quote=Ferrer;926344]By the way I managed to save the images. :)
1939 Chevrolet All Enclosed Coupe #2[/quote]
Wonderful stuff Ferrer !! :cool: I owe you a beer or three, thanks Mate!
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[quote=nota;926346]But what about the Vega wagon & hatch, which seem to have equal overhang? And I could nominate many other similar examples.[/quote]
I guess some cars are a grey area... :o
[quote=nota;926346]Whats the clinical difference between liftbacks and hatchbacks? :confused:[/quote]
Liftback left, hatchback right. Altough technically liftbacks are hacthes, just a further distinction. This getting confused... :p
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[quote=Ferrer;926348]I guess some cars are a grey area... :o
Liftback left, hatchback right. Altough technically liftbacks are hacthes, just a further distinction. This [is] getting confused... :p[/quote]
Thanks for the pic explanation. Is it that liftbacks have a 'booted extension' (for want of a better description) aft of the rear glass, and hatchbacks do not?
What do you make of this one btw .. latter or former? :D
And what of the E-Type, which as you know has a hatch which doesn't lift .. it swings!
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[quote=nota;926349]Thanks for the pic explanation. Is it that liftbacks have a 'booted extension' (for want of a better description) aft of the rear glass, and hatchbacks do not?
What do you make of this one btw .. latter or former? :D[/quote]
On liftbacks the glass is usually more "horizontal" as well.
Also, that AC is a bloody Coupe...! :D
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[quote=Ferrer;926350]On liftbacks the glass is usually more "horizontal" as well.
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so wots this then eh? :p
(seriously..)
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[quote=nota;926351]so wots this then eh? :p
(seriously..)[/quote]
That's clearly a design fault, because there must be no rear visibility at all.
Lifthatch? :p
What would you say it is?
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Hard to define
There has to be a percentage of Van in there too, with that level of expanse of blank side panelling.
Its an interesting 'thing' to contemplate, whatever it is .. a dichotomy for sure.
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now looking at those images, there is nothing that makes me think it is a hatchback, I don't see that the rear windows are moving with the trunk lid. It is just an earlier version of a Volvo 444 split window.
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So would the Aston Martin Rapide be considered a liftback; a hatchback sedan of some sort?
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[quote=henk4;926354]now looking at those images, there is nothing that makes me think it is a hatchback, I don't see that the rear windows are moving with the trunk lid. It is just an earlier version of a Volvo 444 split window.[/quote]
Did this Volvo feature a rear seat that folded down flat a-la modern hatchbacks to create unfettered access from the luggage area to the cabin?
If not, then they are definately not 'just an earlier version' of Slopers.
Henk do you consider the Commerciale to be a hatchback, as is the common boast? Personally I don't, its just a disfunctional wagon with a see-through bootlid. And I'm far less hung up on whether or not the rear glass swings up with the luggage lid, than of having to unbolt the fixed rear seat and drag it out of the car and then leave it behind in the garage, when trying to achieve an extended luggage area of the kind which made Hatchbacks so popular.