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[QUOTE=kingofthering]Hmm... funny how noone mentioned understeer in AWDs.[/QUOTE]
i did..read back:)
it is also a lot easier to correct a car's path with RWD than AWD, in case of understeering.
read an article awhile back, on a skidpad, 3 cars (FF,FR,and AWD) have very similar performance (G's). then when the car starts to skid out, they've shown that it's much easier to steer a RWD car back than AWD or FWD. in FWD there's almost no response to correction, and AWD is only slightly better than FWD
[QUOTE=woodstock827]it is also a lot easier to correct a car's path with RWD than AWD, in case of understeering.
read an article awhile back, on a skidpad, 3 cars (FF,FR,and AWD) have very similar performance (G's). then when the car starts to skid out, they've shown that it's much easier to steer a RWD car back than AWD or FWD. in FWD there's almost no response to correction, and AWD is only slightly better than FWD[/QUOTE]
to correct an FWD car you only have to lift, if you do that abruptly it will loose its back and you have to correct it like a RWD car.:)
It's obvious that, in terms of daily driving AWD and even RWD is redundant because of economic reasons for both driver and the companies. Still only exclusive companies manifacture RWD cars. Excluding cold weather and some extremes like living on a mountain or working in a farm...
In professional driving, my guess is, it depends on the conditions where you race(i don't mean amateur or professional tracks? what kind of distinction is it anyways) The surface, the tires, and the weather etc. As some of you stated the same way above.
But there is a certain truth about asphalt surface, even the cars with most powerful engines and most advanced technology ( I mean Formula1, DTM, LeMans, any single seaters etc.) is RWD. I think it's not even open to arguement.
[QUOTE=woodstock827]it is also a lot easier to correct a car's path with RWD than AWD, in case of understeering.
read an article awhile back, on a skidpad, 3 cars (FF,FR,and AWD) have very similar performance (G's). then when the car starts to skid out, they've shown that it's much easier to steer a RWD car back than AWD or FWD. in FWD there's almost no response to correction, and AWD is only slightly better than FWD[/QUOTE]
It's more related to what car your driving. According to MC2 (Mini magazine), MINI states that up to 300hp and 300Nm, MINI CooperS responds to every movement on the steering wheel on ideal conditions (dry surface, 25 degrees Celcius temperature and approved tires). That means you can correct your path or whatever you call it even it is a FWD
[quote=yalim10]
But there is a certain truth about asphalt surface, even the cars with most powerful engines and most advanced technology ( I mean Formula1, DTM, LeMans, any single seaters etc.) is RWD. I think it's not even open to arguement.[/quote]
I'm not sure though, but I think the extra weight and the extra chance to break down, is the main reason. Imagine a F1 car with AWD,wondering where they'd put the axle :)
[QUOTE=henk4]to correct an FWD car you only have to lift, if you do that abruptly it will loose its back and you have to correct it like a RWD car.:)[/QUOTE]
Not all hatchbacks do this. The clio 197 does it excelenlty as you can dee on autocar podcasts.
[QUOTE=drakkie]I'm not sure though, but I think the extra weight and the extra chance to break down, is the main reason. Imagine a F1 car with AWD,wondering where they'd put the axle :)[/QUOTE]
so there was the McLaren M9 AWD, the Lotus 56 and of course the Ferguson that started the trend, and actually won an F1 race (in the rain...) The axle was put besides the driver, just like many front engined F1 cars had in the past...
[QUOTE=Rockefella]Stop yelling at me.[/QUOTE]
oh men!:D i just love the man to man sensitivity in this forum.:p
[quote=kigango123]oh men!:D i just love the man to man sensitivity in this forum.:p[/quote]
Rocke is [i]all about[/i] man-to-man sensitivity.
[quote=henk4]so there was the McLaren M9 AWD, the Lotus 56 and of course the Ferguson that started the trend, and actually won an F1 race (in the rain...) The axle was put besides the driver, just like many front engined F1 cars had in the past...[/quote]
Way before my time... My knowledge on that period of f1 is pretty much not-existent :o The 80's and onward is my time :)
I'd be pretty interested in any pictures of the solutions they made. Do you have any in your collection ?
[quote=henk4]so there was the McLaren M9 AWD, the Lotus 56 and of course the Ferguson that started the trend, and actually won an F1 race (in the rain...) The axle was put besides the driver, just like many front engined F1 cars had in the past...[/quote]
Deliberately ingoring the [B]Matra MS84[/B] just to upset me :(
It was a pig, like the rest of them, but managed a sixth in Canada driven by Servoz-Gavin the only F1 World Championship driver to score a point.
Moss' win at Oulton was the Gold Cup race for F1 cars
[quote=drakkie]I'd be pretty interested in any pictures of the solutions they made. Do you have any in your collection ?[/quote]
There's an excellent book on the devleopment ( and demise ) of the 4WD F1 cars.
If you want some specifics and pics I can easily scan bits. But not the hundreds of pages to post it all :D
[QUOTE=drakkie]
I'd be pretty interested in any pictures of the solutions they made. Do you have any in your collection ?[/QUOTE]
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