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the aston martin one-77 engine is the most Powerful Naturally aspirated engine in a production car
hear are some stats
7.3 V12
750bhp
220mph
0-60 3.5
the one-77 engine is the same size as the cinque engine but with the one-77 you get a lot more power.
i wish AMG could get that power out of their engine for the pagani zonda cinque. that would mean if they did it would be a powerful as the zonda r
Dude...
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Surprisingly, the One-77 has less torque. Missed that little statistic didn't you ;)
Yes, the One77 Motor makes only 550 Ftlbs torque, vs 570 from the 6.1l V12 in the McLaren F1 (I think that was the previous record holder?).
But in all honesty, guys have been making WAY more Horsepower in the garage with NA big blocks for decades. 800HP from a tuned big block running on pump gas is not unheard of, but the engine is a 572 CUBIC INCH V8 with a 1200CFM Racing Carburetor.
Thats about a 20K big block. But is it worth it? Hell yeah.
But I believe 750 HP from a NA production engine is a big accomplishment. Cosworth did a great job of it. And I think its about damn time Aston Martin ha sput a proper engine in their cars. In this day and age, its Ford 5.9l V12 putting out little more than 500HP is unacceptable.
Its not just about the number though. You criticise the Aston Martin engine, but it produces more power per litre than the 572's making 800hp.
[quote=aiasib;951507]Dude...[/quote]
I know right.
[quote=fpv_gtho;951518]Its not just about the number though. You criticise the Aston Martin engine, but it produces more power per litre than the 572's making 800hp.[/quote]
Who cares? What is it like to drive? How is the sound? How well does it spin up?
What about the engine's power/weight ratio?
[quote=aiasib;951507]Dude...[/quote]
He can be no one's dude... for he is thebrochureman.
[quote=fpv_gtho;951518]Its not just about the number though. You criticise the Aston Martin engine, but it produces more power per litre than the 572's making 800hp.[/quote]
Yes, it should for what it costs. I know a guy who gets 750hp and 670lb-ft out of what started as a 460 ford that he built for a total investment of less than $7,000. He drives it daily and has yet (5 years on) to have any problems with it, either. Big blocks aren't about hp/liter, that's like comparing the number of airbags in an Elise vs a Camry, they have a lot of other advantages.
I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.
[quote=Ferrer;951550]I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.[/quote]
Well, you could barely beat a mustang with that kind of power. What happens when you're at a light talking smack and the guy dusts you? Your woman gets out and walks away, that's what. Who wants that?
[quote=Magnum9987;951512]
But in all honesty, guys have been making WAY more Horsepower in the garage with NA big blocks for decades. 800HP from a tuned big block running on pump gas is not unheard of, but the engine is a 572 CUBIC INCH V8 with a 1200CFM Racing Carburetor.
Thats about a 20K big block. But is it worth it? Hell yeah.
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good luck getting that past emissions and obtaining any semblance of fuel economy though.
[quote=Ferrer;951550]I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.[/quote]
depends how big the car is i guess..
[quote=clutch-monkey;951553]good luck getting that past emissions and obtaining any semblance of fuel economy though.
depends how big the car is i guess..[/quote]
It's actually not that hard to pass emissions with a big block, depending on how you built it. And because they can run at such a low RPM the mileage can be surprising. Really, compare it to Ferrari's or Lambos making similar power.
Edit: Wait, were you referring to big block/power or the carb?
the big block at that power level using a carb.
except the Zonda's M120 engine is about 18 years old considering its first iteration, and it was discontinued this summer or as we speak.
I guess if the M120 was meant to be produced only in such limited numbers AMG could have done much more with it, or even if it wasn't designed in the days when AMG was just tuning existing engine and with relatively bespoke units.
Why do I always need a Pagani-related thread to come back?!
[quote=Ferrer;951550]I fail to see how 500bhp would feel inadequate.[/quote]
Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp
[quote=wwgkd;951554]It's actually not that hard to pass emissions with a big block, depending on how you built it.[/quote]
Not in Europe, man, not in Europe :(.
[quote=Commodore GS/E;951629]Not in Europe, man, not in Europe :(.[/quote]
Europe is terrible and only inhabited by ecomental communists...
Or that's how you'd have the story told to you by some.
Not me, to be clear.
[quote=Kitdy;951521]Who cares? What is it like to drive? How is the sound? How well does it spin up?
What about the engine's power/weight ratio?[/quote]
I dont think you understand my criticism. A 5.9L/500hp is bad but a 800hp/9.4L engine is good? Granted big block V8's wont have the revs to produce the power for their displacement, but that example was still a $20K engine. Ive seen articles on 1000hp NA big blocks for the record. If you want to discredit the AM, use that as an example.
[quote=wwgkd;951548]Yes, it should for what it costs. I know a guy who gets 750hp and 670lb-ft out of what started as a 460 ford that he built for a total investment of less than $7,000. He drives it daily and has yet (5 years on) to have any problems with it, either. Big blocks aren't about hp/liter, that's like comparing the number of airbags in an Elise vs a Camry, they have a lot of other advantages.[/quote]
Aston Martin should do better yes but what are their competitors doing? Their current engine is also the product, crudely speaking, of 2 Ford V6's stuck together and tarted up.
[quote=syko;951621]Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp[/quote]
That's why the 180 grand 470bhp Grand Tourer is more than enough.
[quote=fpv_gtho;951518]Its not just about the number though. You criticise the Aston Martin engine, but it produces more power per litre than the 572's making 800hp.[/quote]
HP/Litre is a joke measurement. You have to consider that block max's out at 5800 (the Aston Goes to, I believe 8K, I could be wrong though), while the torque is 600FT-LBS as low as Idle, and 650 for a 1200RPM Range. At Idle it has more torque than the 1 Million quid supercar. And then you have to consider thats on a carb and only 2 Valves per cylinder.
It is in stock trim a 10 second engine. If you buy the Race fuel alternative, its 9 seconds easy. Pour 10K in mods (new heads, cams, pistons, etc), you've got an 8 second car. For 30K, you will outrace a One-77 on the 1/4 mile.
Not that I don't think its necessarily better. I mean, the One-77s V12 is mounted 200MMs behind the front axle. It has a pushrod suspension. Its handling is supposed to be brilliant because of this. No cast iron Big Block camaro could hang with a One-77 on a circuit, ever, I'll admit.
[quote=syko;951621]Considering the price I would be pretty pissed if my $1 million + supercar only had 500bhp[/quote]
haha true, you can get that in holdens/ford now of roughly similar weight :cool:
[quote=Magnum9987;951675]
It is in stock trim a 10 second engine. If you buy the Race fuel alternative, its 9 seconds easy. Pour 10K in mods (new heads, cams, pistons, etc), you've got an 8 second car. For 30K, you will outrace a One-77 on the 1/4 mile.
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i've never seen an engine do a 10 sec 1/4 mile... :p
[quote=clutch-monkey;951676]
i've never seen an engine do a 10 sec 1/4 mile... :p[/quote]
Hahahaha, Lol, you know what I mean.
[quote=clutch-monkey;951560]the big block at that power level using a carb.[/quote]
Ahh. Eh. You see tuned Ferrari's and Lambos making more power with no one making that comment. It's not as bad as people think. A more powerfull big block in a heavier car (in this instance at any rate) still got better mileage than a Murcie during a club cruise. Well, marginally better. A race carb that just dumps fuel in may not be the best way to go about it, though.
[quote=Commodore GS/E;951629]Not in Europe, man, not in Europe :(.[/quote]
Oh, I see. After years of loose emissions regs you finally pass us up and now you get snobby about it? ;)
[quote=Kitdy;951633]Europe is terrible and only inhabited by ecomental communists...
Or that's how you'd have the story told to you by some.
Not me, to be clear.[/quote]
That's ok bud, I got your back. It's how I tell it. :D
[quote=wwgkd;951862]That's ok bud, I got your back. It's how I tell it. :D[/quote]
It seems to me that Europeans are more likely to hold this view than Americans though.
The Dutch even have a rabidly anti-immigration racist supporting their minority government! Sarkozy has shipped out tons of Roma, and Britain has the fairly popular BNP!
Wooo! So much for Europeans calling Americans hicks!
EDIT: And that's just Western Europe! Let's not even get into the East!
Also, Merkel said multiculturalism has failed!
What a continent!
Left-wing European superiority complex failure!
Please don't mention our Mr B.
I've heard fair too much from him. He is not even funny anymore...
I know surprisingly little about Italian politics. British, German, Spanish, Dutch, French - I know to some degree about these countries.
I hear bad things about him though.
I always assumed that no matter how much the politicians in charge gesticulate wildly and shit out crazy ideas, nobody will ever actually govern the Italians.
[quote=f6fhellcat13;951987]I always assumed that no matter how much the politicians in charge gesticulate wildly and shit out crazy ideas, nobody will ever actually govern the Italians.[/quote]
He actually is managing that. Apparently we are duller than what we used to.
Some of us surely deserve him.:(