[quote=Castro CyM;922231]This hubcaps are so ugly, but it will cost €12.300, we cannot complain![/quote]
Right now the base price for Mini One is about €15,200...€16,000.
€12,300 sounds impossible.
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[quote=Castro CyM;922231]This hubcaps are so ugly, but it will cost €12.300, we cannot complain![/quote]
Right now the base price for Mini One is about €15,200...€16,000.
€12,300 sounds impossible.
[quote=Revo;922235]Right now the base price for Mini One is about €15,200...€16,000.
€12,300 sounds impossible.[/quote]
Hello,
Oops, sorry, you're right, this is the price of the Mini First (entry level, L10.950 or L1.395less than the Mini One). Anyway, €16.000 is not a bad price, cheaper than similar cars.
Regards,
Castro CyM.
[quote=RenesisEvo;922224]How do you propose you start the engine? The battery's main job is providing enough amps (between 300 and 800, depending on engine size, temperature, so on...) to the starter motor. It would be more efficient to use the alternator to capture energy under braking, and store it (battery), then have the alternator permanently loading the engine to deliver all the current required for all the toys onboard (which on a MINI, is quite a bit. On a Merc S-Class, it's a LOT.)[/quote]
A crank.
But seriously, you understand what I'm saying, no? Lightweight aerodynamic cars are a much better alternative to hybrids/electrics.
Adding lightness is nice, but the minimalist title is quite moot seeing as it's still a damn sight heavier than the original Mini.
[quote=Castro CyM;922233]Hello!
Thank you Kitdy, I will visit this forum everyday, here's a lot of information, images and [B]kind people.[/B]
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you sure you got the right forum :p :D
[quote=kingofthering;922259]Adding lightness is nice, but the minimalist title is quite moot seeing as it's still a damn sight heavier than the original Mini.[/quote]
like they'll be able to duplicate that again though.
I think modern cars should produce more lift at speed so they are lighter, and thus more efficient. :rolleyes:
There is no other solution.
You need to be massaged while looking through cameras to verify your rear-parking radar is working correctly. It is necessary weight.
[quote=f6fhellcat13;922262]I think modern cars should produce more lift at speed so they are lighter, and thus more efficient. :rolleyes:
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well at least the handling would be interesting!
[quote=Castro CyM;922231]Hello,
It will hurt a lot of cars... The sales of the 500, the Fiesta ECOnetic and the CR-Z will be low with this Mini on the market. This hubcaps are so ugly, but it will cost €12.300, we cannot complain! It will be succesful.
Regards,
Castro CyM.
PS: I take this opportunity to introduce myself, I'm Castro, I'm from Tarragona (Catalonia), and I'm glad to know this forum.[/quote]
Benvingut! :)
I don't think the Fiesta sales will suffer, they are simply for a different audience. The 500 maybe, but then they'll get the 900cc turbo twin later this year, so we'll see how that turns out.
Even more impressive than this is the new S, which despite having 184bhp and doing 0-100km/h in 7 seconds it still only uses 5,8 litre of fuel every 100km. That's downright amazing.
Thats precisely my Point Ferrer. BMW especially are masters of getting their STANDARD vehicle range to have bloody fantastic real world fuel economy figures, using their "efficient dynamics" concept.
The only reason you should crow that your vehicle is green is if there is genuine improvement, now increased gear ratios and ugly hubcaps. it's still got the Aerodynamics of a newborn Gnu.
[quote=IBrake4Rainbows;922287]Thats precisely my Point Ferrer. BMW especially are masters of getting their STANDARD vehicle range to have bloody fantastic real world fuel economy figures, using their "efficient dynamics" concept.
The only reason you should crow that your vehicle is green is if there is genuine improvement, now increased gear ratios and ugly hubcaps. it's still got the Aerodynamics of a newborn Gnu.[/quote]
Indeed, they could just put those improvements (in a nice way) in all of their cars, but tis all marketing and getting more money from less. In the end they are still a bussiness...
Some of those green cars makes sense, others don't. It's up to the (intelligent) customer to decide which is which and what should he or she buy and with what should stick to the normal car.
The intelligent customer is swayed easily by the promise of a brighter tomorrow.
Essentially carmakers have become politicians :)
For a minute there I thought it might be a stripped down version, really light, no AC, no cupholders, no extras, no anything.
That's minimalism enthusiasts would like. Add skinny tires and it should get the mileage this thing promises.
EDIT: Calling these "trends" green is starting to chap me a bit too, IB4R. The Jetta diesel and Honda CRX of 20 years ago
got twice the fuel economy of what's promised by the "new" tech cars.
Those two cars weren't particularly designed to be "green". IE; with flowery badges and great marketing.
They spoke of great fuel mileage as a money saving thing, not as a pious "planet saving drive".
To me, thats a horrible "trend" that, given 5 years time will be out of date, and speed will be preferable again.
[quote=IBrake4Rainbows;922321]To me, thats a horrible "trend" that, given 5 years time will be out of date, and speed will be preferable again.[/quote]
What do you think gas prices will be like in 5 years when the economy is humming along again rightly and the Chinese are sucking back tons and tons of black oil?
I think they are going through the roof and I think that mileage will be king.
The horsepower wars may not be ending, but the displacement wars may well be ending.
People will continue to pay whatever for petrol is necessary. Does this mean that the days of the unconcious consumption are over? probably, but there will be some who will simply write it off as a cost of driving what they want to.
As I've said, the BMW way of doing things (EfficientDynamics...IE actually making the entire range fuel efficient without sacrificing driving pleasure or performance) is a much more effective and long term view of things than the simplistic "lets slap some decals and ugly hubcaps on it, lengthen the gears and charge through the eye for it!". It smacks of profiteering.
Consumers will demand fuel efficiency and buy accordingly, so there is obviously a market for this sort of thing. I just prefer that consumers (and companies) stop kidding themselves that their doing this for the environment and start acknowledging their back pocket has a say.