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[url="http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/105373"]Le Mans panel picks its legendary cars - Grapevine - Le Mans - AUTOSPORT.com [/url]
I can't find the original list, apparently 3 cars were picked by ACO in each decade and then the fans and panelists voted to decide the final winner....
Apparently R8 was not even in ACO's list, although I guess they really wanted the car to not feature....despite its [b]5[/b] Le Mans wins in 6 years....:rolleyes:
Same old, same old i'm betting. Bentley 3 Litre, Ford GT40, Porsche 917... i really think it's time for more obscure cars to be recognized. While it's still really cool that the famous cars have been restored it would be even cooler to get some recognition to some pretty rare machines.
Prob was they were only offering few per decade.
So the Matra 3 in a row that surely merits the 670 series and it's V12 as "Legendary" didn't really stand much of a chance with fanboys represented by the main "marques" :( and French vote split with the Alpine :(
[quote]Twenties
- Chenard & Walcker Sport 1923
- Lorraine Dietrich B3-6 1925
- Bentley Speed Six 1930
Thirties
- Alfa Romeo 8C 1933
- Bugatti 57 G 1937
- Delahaye 135 S 1938
Forties
- Ferrari 166 MM 1949
- Simca Gordini 1949
- Delage D6 S 1949
Fifties
- Mercedes 300 SL 1952
- Jaguar D 1957
- Aston Martin DBR 1 1959
Sixties
- Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa 1960
- Ford GT 40 1969
- Porsche 908 1969
Seventies
- Porsche 917 K 1971
- Matra Simca MS 670 1974
- Renault Alpine A 442 b 1978
Eighties
- Rondeau M379 1980
- Porsche 956 1982
- Jaguar XJR 9 LM 1988
Nineties
- Mazda 787 B 1991
- Peugeot 905 1992
- BMW V12 LMR 1999
Noughties (2000)
- Bentley EXP Speed 8 2003
- Audi R10 TDI 2006
- Peugeot 909 HDi FAP 2009
2010s
- Audi R18 TDI 2011
- Nissan DeltaWing 2012
- Audi e-tron quattro 2012
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[quote]
Noughties (2000)
- Bentley EXP Speed 8 2003
- Audi R10 TDI 2006
- Peugeot 909 HDi FAP 2009
[/quote]
Typical ACO agenda here...lol
Delta Wing? :D
Peugeot 909? :p
[quote=RacingManiac;991769]Typical ACO agenda here...lol[/quote]
Hard one, they've have been lambasted if Audi were listed TWICE for the same decade :)
and hell yeah, it's a FRENCH race, of course they can put the Peugeot forward !!!
[quote=faksta;991770]Delta Wing? :D
Peugeot 909? :p[/quote]
Same here, only got 3 years worth to go by so the list is inevitably contrived for the 10s :)
I give the Nissan legend status as it was against all odds and personally I didn't see it making it round Porsche curves flat out :)
[quote=faksta;991770]Peugeot 909? :p[/quote]
It's the new ultra-modern prototype! ;)
It's so new they haven't realsed it yet.
But if they wint they have until 2009 to unveil it!
Wait...
Or something.
[quote=Matra et Alpine;991771]Hard one, they've have been lambasted if Audi were listed TWICE for the same decade :)
and hell yeah, it's a FRENCH race, of course they can put the Peugeot forward !!![/quote]
It doesnt matter if there are 2 Audis, The R8 was THE Le Man Car Of the 2000s. The End
Hmm no Talbot?
Mugen, an Audi fan will say that and want both in and then chose. A French fan will want the Peugeot for it's achievement. IT's all subjective and the voting would have gone nowhere if they just said any car. Had to cut it down somehow and yeah, cobra, I hadn't noticed no Talbot. Which is even MORE crazy. Audi won when few others were investing at the same level. GOing back 50 years many cars were competing with similar investment and support. It's easy to win with money :) But it wont make a legend :)
... That depends on your definition of legend.
Subjective awards are fun food for thought, but not to be taken seriously in my eyes.
[quote=Matra et Alpine;991805]Mugen, an Audi fan will say that and want both in and then chose. A French fan will want the Peugeot for it's achievement. IT's all subjective and the voting would have gone nowhere if they just said any car. Had to cut it down somehow and yeah, cobra, I hadn't noticed no Talbot. Which is even MORE crazy. Audi won when few others were investing at the same level. GOing back 50 years many cars were competing with similar investment and support. It's easy to win with money :) But it wont make a legend :)[/quote]
I dunno if thats fair. Audi did no more work in the car after 2002. Ran with heavier weight, less downforce and power and still won 2 more times....The car won almost 80% of the races it entered(ALMS, ELMS included, where there are actually competition in sprint races) and had ZERO engine failure from 2000 to 2006 when it retired.....
People can talk all they want about Audi beat no one in those years, they didn't exactly sit around....and they moved the goal post considerably for what needs to be done to win Le Mans....
[quote=Matra et Alpine;991805]Mugen, an Audi fan will say that and want both in and then chose. A French fan will want the Peugeot for it's achievement. IT's all subjective and the voting would have gone nowhere if they just said any car. Had to cut it down somehow and yeah, cobra, I hadn't noticed no Talbot. Which is even MORE crazy. Audi won when few others were investing at the same level. GOing back 50 years many cars were competing with similar investment and support. It's easy to win with money :) But it wont make a legend :)[/quote]
[quote=RacingManiac;991807]I dunno if thats fair. Audi did no more work in the car after 2002. Ran with heavier weight, less downforce and power and still won 2 more times....The car won almost 80% of the races it entered(ALMS, ELMS included, where there are actually competition in sprint races) and had ZERO engine failure from 2000 to 2006 when it retired.....
People can talk all they want about Audi beat no one in those years, they didn't exactly sit around....and they moved the goal post considerably for what needs to be done to win Le Mans....[/quote]
Well I doubt some blokes in nothern Italy could match the resources of a North American multinational corporation, yet that doesn't make the GT40 less of a legend, does it?
:cough: it took a small team in England to make the GT40 a success :)
and success outside of La Sarthe I didn't even think was up for consideration as it's a Club L'Ouest anniversary and award :)
and yes it's a bit of fun ... and there's no more fun than winding up a fan :) :)
Nah....its more fun watching the French fail....
I always thought the Porsche GT1 Evo 98 was an interesting competitor. It was a funny looking (actually, I quite like the way it looks) car and won against the much faster competition... thanks to its reliability.
[quote=Matra et Alpine;991812]:cough: it took a small team in England to make the GT40 a success :)[/quote]
They still had the big corporation's money, though. ;)
[quote=Ferrer;991824]They still had the big corporation's money, though. ;)[/quote]
I meant it in the context of the Italian spend at the time :)
Team size was the bigger restriction back then, no computers and regular wind tunnels consuming $Ms back then :)
In a similar vane, her is a blog I worked on about the legendary formula one rivals - it's a top ten list.
[URL="http://www.evanshalshaw.com/Blog/blog-rush-top-ten-greatest-f1-rivalries.html"]http://www.evanshalshaw.com/Blog/blog-rush-top-ten-greatest-f1-rivalries.html[/URL]
I'm a newbie so if it's not quite right for the forum then just ignore this post, as I don't want to intrude on your community or irritate regular members.
[quote=Matra et Alpine;991812]:cough: it took a small team in England to make the GT40 a success :)
and success outside of La Sarthe I didn't even think was up for consideration as it's a Club L'Ouest anniversary and award :)
and yes it's a bit of fun ... and there's no more fun than winding up a fan :) :)[/quote]
Actually it took a small group in California to make 'Ford' a success at first and the a very small privateer team in the UK to make the small block GT40 a success.
And to be frank, I stopped enjoying LM around Y2K.
Detest the current cars.
:cool:
Nice use of the term Y2K. What caused your indifference?
[URL="http://www.borro.com/uk/borro-blog/le-mans-best-of-british"]Best British cars at Le Mans[/URL]
Article I saw on Reddit, misses out some notable winners, but a decent recap of British teams/cars/winners.