Honestly, What Is This World Coming To?

[Quote=NewYorkDailyNews]

[B]All shook up over Dakota's 'Hounddog' [/B]

Cute-as-a-button child star Dakota Fanning, who turned 12 in February, is venturing into sexually disturbing territory in a movie being filmed in North Carolina.
The screenplay for "Hounddog" - a dark story of abuse, violence and Elvis Presley adulation in the rural South, written and directed by Deborah Kampmeier - calls for Fanning's character to be raped in one explicit scene and to appear naked or clad only in "underpants" in several other horrifying moments.

Fanning's mother, Joy, and her Hollywood agent, Cindy Osbrink, see the movie as a possible Oscar vehicle for the pint-size star. But despite Fanning's status as a bankable actress - whose movies, including last year's "War of the Worlds," have earned more than half a billion dollars since 2001 - the alarming material seems to have scared off potential investors from the under-$5 million indie project.

"The two taboos in Hollywood are child abuse and the killing of animals," a source close to the situation told me. "In this movie, both things happen."

Fanning's carefully choreographed rape scene has already been filmed. But then the production - which also stars Robin Wright Penn, David Morse and Piper Laurie - was shut down for lack of funds. Penn, who's also an executive producer, gave a pep talk to the dispirited cast in the days leading up to the shutdown. The desperate producer, Jen Gatien, daughter of former club czar Peter Gatien, sent out an SOS to New York entertainment entrepreneur Lawrence Robins. Robins located emergency investors, filming resumed, and the movie is scheduled to wrap tomorrow.

"The subject matter is very tough," Robins told me, "but I was attracted to it because in the end it's a story about human understanding, about a little girl who's dealt a very bad deck of cards, but finds solace in the music of Elvis and survives."

The script requires the preteen actress to confront tougher challenges than Brooke Shields and Jodie Foster did when, at Fanning's age, they played child prostitutes.

"It's not just the rape scene - the whole story is challenging Dakota as an actress," Fanning's longtime agent, Osbrink, told me. "And I've never been so proud of her in my life. I've seen the dailies, and in every scene she gets better and better."[/Quote]
How sick can you get? The mother should be ashamed of herself, think of the pediphiles who are going to watch this... it makes me sick :mad: I think it's entirely unneccessary, the girl doesn't know what she's getting into... what a total lack of integrity. A rape scene isn't necessary to establish a sense of sympathy from the audience, and the mother is despicable for sacraficing her daughter for the sake of an oscar. God...

*shivers*

Um yeah... no one gets naked, they only IMPLY that she got messed with

[QUOTE=kingofthering]Um yeah... no one gets naked, they only IMPLY that she got messed with[/QUOTE]
Either way, I'm sure the visual message is obvious, and I'm just saying that it sounds entirely unneccessary beyond shock value and a potential oscar, which the mother seems to want more than the actress herself :(

Then, don't watch the movie. Hell that's why we live in America.

[quote=TVRs4eva]think of the pediphiles who are going to watch this[/quote]

That's a stupid reason to be upset about it. Think of the murderers who watch people murdered in movies. Think of the reckless drivers who watch car chase scenes. She's portraying the part of, what I assume is, a real person enduring real circumstances. Why should the movie be less real than the real-life story?

[quote=speednine]Then, don't watch the movie. Hell that's why we live in America.[/quote]
Yeah, in other countries you'd be forced to watch the movie!
Thankfully Americans don't suffer that fate!:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=speednine]Hell that's why we live in America.[/QUOTE]
Thank God I don't:( Watch 14 years down the line when this "Pint Sized" actress is going crazi like Paris Hilton and Barely wears any clothing the mother will be like "Where did we go wrong?!":mad: This is truely disgusting..

[quote=man 430gt]Thank God I don't:( Watch 14 years down the line when this "Pint Sized" actress is going crazi like Paris Hilton and Barely wears any clothing the mother will be like "Where did we go wrong?!":mad: This is truely disgusting..[/quote]

I don't get the correlation. Was Paris in a movie as a child where she portrayed a rape victim?

Anyone heard about the beautiful thing called "Freedom of speech".

We even had a pedophile party running in our elections ! Many were offended,but they did have a right !

Censuring movies goes a bit too far IMHO and if they start doing that over here, I am definately out of this country.

[QUOTE=kingofthering]Um yeah... no one gets naked, they only IMPLY that she got messed with[/QUOTE]
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i'd only be worried if she actually did get raped for the camera. otherwise it's just acting, which is her job as i recall

You guys are all saying:

"OMFG think of the pedos that are going to watch this!"
And
"Her mother should be ashamed!"
And
"she doesn't know what shes getting into"

So her mother should be ashamed that her daughter who is currently one of the best child stars in todays world, landed a movie with a rape scene? Should she also be ashamed that this scene probably pays more money that most of us could ever imagine? Lets take the typical move rape scene.

1. Its very fast and most of the stuff you can't see anyway
2. Its dark, who gets raped in the daylight anyway?

Now lets talk about how the scene was actually filmed. This is from a essay written by Paul Peterson that was on filmstocker.

1. She was not even close to naked during filming of the scene
2. There was not a "boy" even touching her.
3. They only filmed her face in the scene for 15 seconds.

Point Proven.

One last quote from her mum:

"This is not an exploitive movie. It is real life and unfortunately this is what happens in real life. Dakota is very proud of it. And she is not shown nude."

You guys need to understand the concept of the movie before you bust a nut on it. Things like this really happen in real life. ITS AN INSPIRING STORY for those who grew up with jack shit.

Oh my... such a horrible movie... i hope it never get's here, in chocolate and magical fairy land! :rolleyes:

Children, women, men, are raped every day, why not make a movie about it, it'll probably make ppl think about it and be more active in fighting it. If ppl stop making it a taboo perhaps we can solve it more easly.

[QUOTE=baddabang]
2. Its dark, who gets raped in the daylight anyway?
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SOrry but, Lmao:D
[QUOTE=Matt]I don't get the correlation. Was Paris in a movie as a child where she portrayed a rape victim?[/QUOTE]
Yeah but her mum with this whole sexual reference thing, me just against it all!

[QUOTE=drakkie]We even had a pedophile party running in our elections ! Many were offended,but they did have a right ![/QUOTE]

That is just shocking. The Dutch are crazy. And unless pedophilia is legal in the Netherlands, I don't get how they had a right...

[QUOTE=Matt]That's a stupid reason to be upset about it. Think of the murderers who watch people murdered in movies. Think of the reckless drivers who watch car chase scenes. She's portraying the part of, what I assume is, a real person enduring real circumstances. [B]Why should the movie be less real than the real-life story?[/B][/QUOTE]
You worded that perfectly, I totally agree.

[quote=Piacki_117]That is just shocking. The Dutch are crazy. And unless pedophilia is legal in the Netherlands, I don't get how they had a right...[/quote]

It was 100% legal ! Many opposed it though and a house of the leader, which happened to be in my town, has been thoroughly demolished. Mostly by people my age,including friends, but plenty of older people too.

Anyway, I'll explain why it would be legal in France too. Correct me if I am wrong please.

Every human being has the right of an opinion. Remember the "freedom of speech" laws. The members of the party were mostly members of a allready existing organization. They were pedophiles, but had NOT been accused or trialed by any judge (afaik that is).

They organized a party and got the x-1000 signatures they needed to join the elections.

Nothing illegal so far right ? :rolleyes:

They didnt win any seats in our parliament. I would have preferred to see them there, instead of some "politicians" that want to kick me(and many others) out of my home-country.

A shocking truth perhaps for some, but we are ALL pedophiles. Why ?

In ancient Greek:
Pedo = child
philos = a verb meaning to love

Dont we all like (most) children ? :)


Disclaimer:
I dont support these guys AT ALL. I just mean to describe they had the right to form a party, by law. They would have in any country with freedom of speech/opinion. The actions of the pedophiles mostly disgust me.

[QUOTE=drakkie]
A shocking truth perhaps for some, but we are ALL pedophiles. Why ?

In ancient Greek:
Pedo = child
philos = a verb meaning to love

Dont we all like (most) children ? :)

[/QUOTE]

I hate kids.

[QUOTE=drakkie]They organized a party and got the x-1000 signatures they needed to join the elections.[/QUOTE]
That is even more shocking. I know many mayors sign in the name of the 'democracy support', but really, I can't get it.


[QUOTE=drakkie]
A shocking truth perhaps for some, but we are ALL pedophiles. Why ?

In ancient Greek:
Pedo = child
philos = a verb meaning to love

Dont we all like (most) children ? :)[/QUOTE]

I'm afraid in that case 'to love' has the meaning of 'to have sex'. Do you have sex with children?

[QUOTE=TVRs4eva]How sick can you get? The mother should be ashamed of herself, think of the pediphiles who are going to watch this... it makes me sick :mad: I think it's entirely unneccessary, the girl doesn't know what she's getting into... what a total lack of integrity. A rape scene isn't necessary to establish a sense of sympathy from the audience, and the mother is despicable for sacraficing her daughter for the sake of an oscar. God...[/QUOTE]wow... uneeded over-reaction. how is her daughter being "sacraficed". it is a MOVIE. A film, an interpretation. God.[QUOTE=man 430gt]Yeah but her mum with this whole sexual reference thing, me just against it all![/QUOTE]what? can you be a bit less vague?[QUOTE=baddabang]I hate kids.[/QUOTE]same

[QUOTE=blingbling]can you be a bit less vague?[/QUOTE]
Please...

[QUOTE=Piacki_117]Do you have sex with children?[/QUOTE]
Erm, no comment.

[quote=Piacki_117]That is even more shocking. I know many mayors sign in the name of the 'democracy support', but really, I can't get it.

[/quote]

Freedom of speech is something not all of us understand. Just watch the oversea's.

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I'm afraid in that case 'to love' has the meaning of 'to have sex'. Do you have sex with children?[/quote]

My dictionary ancient-greek:

Phileo = to cherish,to love, to be received well, to kiss, to like to do, to be common.

It has just been given that tag by society. You have Citro-philes too,right :) They dot have sex with Citroens.

And not I did not and will not have sex with any children.

[QUOTE=man 430gt]Thank God I don't:( Watch 14 years down the line when this "Pint Sized" actress is going crazi like Paris Hilton and Barely wears any clothing the mother will be like "Where did we go wrong?!":mad: This is truely disgusting..[/QUOTE]
Only difference is, Paris could never get raped, because she gives it up pretty much as soon as she knows your name, and also, all paris has done to get famous is have sex, she wasnt a successful child actor.

Ok, people, freedom of speech is a wild and outrageous crazy-liberal idea in the US, where we are so conservative we ban potentially life saving items because the Bible says no.

I agree with Matt.
Freedom of speech ftw.
Don't judge people based on your values. Remember, all values are societal and relative, not absolutes. As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that is wrong is to force other people to live the way you think they should.

Personally I got a problem with a kid being allowed to act in a film which includes nudity.

Let's face it, most people only start functioning properly in the brain department when they hit their twenties (I'm already over the quarter-of-a-century mark and I still struggle to keep all systems going smoothly, actually I struggle quite a lot with it).

I fear somewhere along the line this young actress is going to realize what she did. She might not have a problem with it when it eventually sinks in, but then again maybe she'll blame whoever guided her, in this case being her mother. She could turn out like MacCauley Culkin or whats-his-name and give herself over to drugs (OK, Hollywood isn't exactly known for it's drug-free attributes), she could get suicidal tendencies due to feelings of guilt etc. etc.

Given, there's many paths in life that could just as easily lead to the above, but the difference is that should she go ahead and act in this movie, the thought of it having been seen by millions of people I think will only make it worse, should she have a problem with it later. After all, she's a kid first, actress second.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but I'm also all for protecting and nurturing the youth.

My hope is that the movie is turned down, but que sera sera.


EDIT: After re-reading I think I got a bit ahead of myself in the above. If in the movie an implication only is made that the character got raped, without any nudity on the part of the young actress, then I don't see a problem.

[QUOTE=man 430gt]Thank God I don't:( Watch 14 years down the line when this "Pint Sized" actress is going crazi like Paris Hilton and Barely wears any clothing the mother will be like "Where did we go wrong?!":mad: This is truely disgusting..[/QUOTE]

Honestly if the little girl has psychological problems, im sure the media would play a bigger role then 15 seconds of a rape seen. Don't be so dramatic about the situation. Not only that but, how old are you?? Are you old enough to drink? There are a lot of young people who go out in barely nothing. Just because paris hilton is riding the ****ing im young, rich, and crazy, train doesn't mean everyone is. You don't need to go through a traumatic event in your life to want to drink. So shut up and don't jump to conclusions britty.

EDIT: not only that but if you've ever seen an interview with Dakota fanning you would know she is a pretty intelligent little girl. I think it is safe to assume she know's what she is getting into and understands the role.

[QUOTE=speednine]Honestly if the little girl has psychological problems, im sure the media would play a bigger role then 15 seconds of a rape seen. Don't be so dramatic about the situation. Not only that but, how old are you?? Are you old enough to drink? There are a lot of young people who go out in barely nothing. Just because paris hilton is riding the ****ing im young, rich, and crazy, train doesn't mean everyone is. You don't need to go through a traumatic event in your life to want to drink. So shut up and don't jump to conclusions britty.

EDIT: not only that but if you've ever seen an interview with Dakota fanning you would know she is a pretty intelligent little girl. I think it is safe to assume she know's what she is getting into and understands the role.[/QUOTE]
im not sure where the whole drinking reference came from, but the last paragraph is very true, shes pretty smart.

[QUOTE=drakkie]Freedom of speech is something not all of us understand. Just watch the oversea's.



My dictionary ancient-greek:

Phileo = to cherish,to love, to be received well, to kiss, to like to do, to be common.

It has just been given that tag by society. You have Citro-philes too,right :) They dot have sex with Citroens.

And not I did not and will not have sex with any children.[/QUOTE]
Let's try this with the meaning of the word, and not just the root words; so, if she wants to do this, so be it. Regardless, I won't be going to see this-I prefer comedy, or anything that doesn't involve rape.

[INDENT]pe·do·phile /ˈpidəˌfaɪl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[pee-duh-fahyl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Psychiatry. an adult who is sexually attracted to young children.

Also, pedophiliac.


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[Origin: 1950–55; pedo-1 + -phile, or directly < Gk paidóphilos loving children] [/INDENT]
So, yeah, In this case it's a bit more than love.
I'd just like to say that I am on the side of freedom of expression.

Ugh, 2 situations here:

Situation 1: Dakota Fanning isn't affected by the rape scene, life goes on as usual.

Situation 2: Dakota Fanning is affected by the rape scene, turns into a Lindsey Lohan/Paris Hilton.

I, for one, don't give a shit whether or not situation 1 or 2 surfaces, because frankly, I don't know the girl personally. Let's end the Kumbaya and the crying and move on with life.

/endrant

[QUOTE=my porsche]im not sure where the whole drinking reference came from, but the last paragraph is very true, shes pretty smart.[/QUOTE]

Reference for people in there twenties who go out to bars/clubs. I've seen girls in next to nothing, albeit in the summertime, so it doesn't matter if they are in a rape seen or not.:rolleyes:

[QUOTE=man 430gt]Please...[/QUOTE]wow, way to completely avoid the question

[QUOTE=blingbling]wow, way to completely avoid the question[/QUOTE]
Wow, way to be a complete jack-ass and not understand that I was trying to be Vague.. Now please follow the words of Yoda...

Dakota Fanning sided with Tom Cruise regarding his feud with Brooke Shields. Enough said.

i think she's more mature than people give her credit for and understands that she is an actress. she also understands the disturbing nature the material she portrays.

She's not dumb, and it's not explotative - did people complain when Haley Joel Osment had to deal with Puking dead people at 10?

[QUOTE=IBrake4Rainbows]She's not dumb, and it's not explotative - did people complain when Haley Joel Osment had to deal with Puking dead people at 10?[/QUOTE]

Off course they hadn't any trouble with that, he wasn't F****g dead people :D

If you could actually READ and remember other parts to the article than the headline, you would have found this:

[quote]The script requires the preteen actress to confront tougher challenges than Brooke Shields and Jodie Foster did when, at Fanning's age, they played child prostitutes.[/quote]

Two other actresses have gone through the exact same situation as children.
theyre not exactly ruined at the moment are they?

Teh jodie foster
[IMG]http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/inside_man/jodie_foster/inside.jpg[/IMG]



[quote]Fanning's carefully choreographed rape scene has already been filmed.[/quote]
its already filmed, its over, theres no more, its up to the censors now, and the whole sad sociaty thing? if you need a movie to show you sociatys sad, well, chances are your a pretty f*cking blind bat. no?

[QUOTE=drakkie]Anyone heard about the beautiful thing called "Freedom of speech".

We even had a pedophile party running in our elections ! Many were offended,but they did have a right !

Censuring movies goes a bit too far IMHO and if they start doing that over here, I am definately out of this country.[/QUOTE]

So then , XXX child porn?

[QUOTE=man 430gt]Wow, way to be a complete jack-ass and not understand that I was trying to be Vague.. Now please follow the words of Yoda...[/QUOTE]yes wise one