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The ones you're listing were pretty much rally homologation specials.
Make enough to get into the GroupA.
Especially the likes of the Chevette HS2300. It was bitch in traffic with a clutch MADE for rally-line starts and not for pressing regularly in town :)
But I come back to what I was saying ... the GTi name was for a fast, light, responsive variant. NOW, it's only a title to a lardy, not very fast, not light, barely responsive car with a high price premium :( For the office managers girlfriend and not the lads in the office :)
Look around, back in the 70s every "fast lad" wanted and if had the moeny OWNED a GTi.
Now it's the bankers who've not managed to get the big bonusses :(
Shame, they needed to NOT use the GTi name for these ones.
THe other cars didn't re-use classic titles to sell the cars, isntead came up with "new".
( until that was Renault decided to revive the Gordini name ? :) )
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Abarth? ;)
EDIT And GTA, altough that engine... it was quite glorious.
EDIT 2 I've driven a Mk II 16v GTi, and it was great but nowhere near as hard as the supercharged Cooper S.
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Not driven the new Abarthm but heard good comments from those who have. So I'll hodl fire on that one :) But good point :)
"GTA" ? which car ? THe Alpine ? Was never a realistic family car !
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[quote=Matra et Alpine;936727]Not driven the new Abarthm but heard good comments from those who have. So I'll hodl fire on that one :) But good point :)
"GTA" ? which car ? THe Alpine ? Was never a realistic family car ![/quote]
I was refering to the V6 Alfas. Not really [I]leggeri[/I] are they? :)
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This is well off topic, but I have been spotting 164s around here for a while. I looked for any for sale online in Ontario and Canada on Autotrader and eBay respectively, but sadly found nothing. I want to see how much they are in Canada.
I found a few in the States, a total of 7 on Autotrader - none on eBay. These things appear to be rare as hell. Price ranged from a few grand to over 7k which seems ludicrous.
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[quote=Kitdy;936739]This is well off topic, but I have been spotting 164s around here for a while. I looked for any for sale online in Ontario and Canada on Autotrader and eBay respectively, but sadly found nothing. I want to see how much they are in Canada.
I found a few in the States, a total of 7 on Autotrader - none on eBay. These things appear to be rare as hell. Price ranged from a few grand to over 7k which seems ludicrous.[/quote]
Alfa 164?
Over here from 1.000 to 4.000 € on ebay and other sites, depending on year and restyling.
When new, at the end of its life, it was available with good options and all for about 27.000 €.
We used to have one. Best car my father bought to date. 420.000 awesome km.
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[quote=LeonOfTheDead;936741]We used to have one. Best car my father bought to date. 420.000 awesome km.[/quote]
Specs? Colour? Details? Pics?
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Ahh...serious consideration now to get this car to replace my 1998 Camry that I've been driving around since end of high school....For a new car at less than $25K in US(and ones that I can get supplier discounts for, thats kinda sporty and practical) its hard to find something that compares to it(Our discount applies to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, VW(non-TDI), Audi, Mitsubishi)....
Hard to believe that I am looking at a VW but the deal seems pretty good...
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They're good, I have two friends with them.. one a Mk V (US auto) and one a Mk VI (AU DSG). They're both real happy with them.
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[quote=RacingManiac;959812]Ahh...serious consideration now to get this car to replace my 1998 Camry that I've been driving around since end of high school....For a new car at less than $25K in US(and ones that I can get supplier discounts for, thats kinda sporty and practical) its hard to find something that compares to it(Our discount applies to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, VW(non-TDI), Audi, Mitsubishi)....
Hard to believe that I am looking at a VW but the deal seems pretty good...[/quote]
Mustang V6?
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Not looking to own a 300+ bhp RWD coupe at this stage of the game....although it is very tempting....
And Mustang is one of those cars that if I were ever to own one it'll probably be a V8....
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True, as a V8 it is much more desirable. But, now that the V6 is decent it even makes sense to go for it.
Out of those, and I guess the Camaro and Challenger are out too for the same reasons, the GTI is a very good choice.
I personally like the new 300 a lot as well.
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[quote=RacingManiac;959812]Ahh...serious consideration now to get this car to replace my 1998 Camry that I've been driving around since end of high school....For a new car at less than $25K in US(and ones that I can get supplier discounts for, thats kinda sporty and practical) its hard to find something that compares to it(Our discount applies to GM, Ford, Chrysler, Nissan, VW(non-TDI), Audi, Mitsubishi)....
Hard to believe that I am looking at a VW but the deal seems pretty good...[/quote]
Subaru would be a good choice, but you probably don't get discounts.
Of those the VW looks good. Nothing from Mitsubishi is really desirable except if you want a Evolution. Same to GM, Ford and especially Chrysler.
Nissan's pretty boring. Maybe an Altima?
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Subaru is a bit out of my range, and again the issue was like if I were to get a WRX now, I'll always know that there is that STI there...
At any rate, I just put the deposit down for a GTI today....