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because 2010 has been a good year for hot hatches i wanted to get Peoples opinion on the best hot hatch of 2010 these are the main contenders
Skoda Fabia RS (180 bhp)
VW Golf R (265 bhp)
Ford Focus RS500 (350 bhp)
Citroen DS3 R (207 bhp)
Subaru Impreza STI Cosworth CS400 (400 bhp)
Peugeot 308 GTi (200 bhp)
What about the Peugeot 308 GTI?
the Lancer hatch?, and a Poll?
i will add them in, and the poll i can't do that now i have posted this thread
[quote=thebrochureman;956827]i will add them in, and the poll i can't do that now i have posted this thread[/quote]
Voila.
thanks, but how are you able to do that
[quote=thebrochureman;956829]thanks, but how are you able to do that[/quote]
have a good look at my avatar....;)
This HAS to be the Ford Focus RS500. It truely set new standards in terms of handling and sheer power while keeping the fwd layout. The whole car is a masterpiece (at least in my eyes). I have huge respect for the guys that managed to build an fwd car with that much horsepower which can still put it's power to the ground, even trough the twisties. It also shows what a long way hot hatches have come- I mean it's more powerful than a Porsche Cayman R (although it wouldn't beat it on a track, if I'm honest ;)). The other ones are impressive, too, but you can't beat the Ford when it comes to innovations.
By the way, I just love the looks. Very sinister :D.
Isn't it unfair to add cars like the Skoda Fabia RS and Ford Focus RS500 in the poll together? Although both being hot hatches, the similarity ends there. There is a huge difference in power and price.
I think the temporary result of the poll says all, 9 people voted for the RS500 while the Fabia, Lancer and DS3 are left unvoted for. And it should be that way indeed, in my humble opinion, when compared to the mighty RS500.
i love the look of the RS500 but i don't like the fact it is FWD,as well of having to steer the front wheels have to cope with 345 bhp. thats way to much power for the Front wheels to cope with. I prefer the Golf R its got the looks, performance, practicality, and the reliability it got the lot.
[quote=Man of Steel;956941]Isn't it unfair to add cars like the Skoda Fabia RS and Ford Focus RS500 in the poll together? Although both being hot hatches, the similarity ends there. There is a huge difference in power and price.
I think the temporary result of the poll says all, 9 people voted for the RS500 while the Fabia, Lancer and DS3 are left unvoted for. And it should be that way indeed, in my humble opinion, when compared to the mighty RS500.[/quote]
Why?
I'm sure both hot Focuses are very exciting, but I can't help thinking that it's simply too much power for the front wheels to handle. In the old Cooper S you could still feel the torque steer and the understeer (despite being great), and it had half the power of the RS500.
The DS3-R, that looks like it could be a great hot hatch in the traditional sense. Light, nimble, moderately powerful, agile and fast. Only the price tag and limited availability put me off a bit. That and the orange paint.
You are both right, there is a maximum amount of power which can be driven to the front wheels only.
Unfortunately I can not object from personal opinion, but when reading the reviews it seems the Focus is able to handle that power in a more then decent manner. This due to Revoknuckle wheel suspension and a Quaife differential, whatever that means. That doesn't mean it is free from traction problems though :)
This poll was about personal opinion though. In that case I rather have the brutal RS500 with its looks and some traction problems, then a (in my humble opinion) boring Fabia. I can hardly tell the difference with all the different versions of the Golf and I never been a fan of the Impreza, although it is wickedly fast.
The Fabia RS to have is the estate version. :)
In my opinion, the Golf R is even worse than the Focus RS. As a hot hatch, it's far too complicated. I think that a hot hatch should be car that offers a bit of fun, simple, practical and cheap to buy and run. The muscle car of Europe if you want.
Golf's are overrated. Period.
Sure they are built perfectly with German technology and have great lasting value, but I can not get excited about them.
Exceptions are the MK I's convertible and GTI, those are all-time classics with their boxy styling.
[quote=Ferrer;956983]In my opinion, the Golf R is even worse than the Focus RS. As a hot hatch, it's far too complicated. I think that a hot hatch should be car that offers a bit of fun, simple, practical and cheap to buy and run. The muscle car of Europe if you want.[/quote]
True.
All Hot-Hatches should live in the spirit of the 205 GTI, which truly is the greatest Hot Hatch ever (the only one who comes close is the first Golf GTI, but was too expensive compared to the 205)
[quote=Man of Steel;956989]Golf's are overrated. Period.
Sure they are built perfectly with German technology and have great lasting value, but I can not get excited about them.
Exceptions are the MK I's convertible and GTI, those are all-time classics with their boxy styling.[/quote]
[quote=Brix;956990]True.
All Hot-Hatches should live in the spirit of the 205 GTI, which truly is the greatest Hot Hatch ever (the only one who comes close is the first Golf GTI, but was too expensive compared to the 205)[/quote]
Mk IIs aren't bad either, if different from the 205.
[quote=Ferrer;957018]Mk IIs aren't bad either, if different from the 205.[/quote]
But doesn't beat the 205 ;)
True. Probably the greatest hot hatch ever made (frenchies are good at this sort of thing).
Makes you wonder what the hell went wrong with the 206 and 207.
[quote=Ferrer;957021]True. Probably the greatest hot hatch ever made (frenchies are good at this sort of thing).
Makes you wonder what the hell went wrong with the 206 and 207.[/quote]
safety requirements and modern technology which made them such a good small average/family car :).
Drove an old 205 1.1 today in slippery snow/ice condition, and it is truly on of the best driving experience i have ever had, just because of it's raw feeling of the car.
That is something that we will NEVER see again, unfortunately.
There is a nice and clean example of a 205 GTI in my street. White with the original alloys and no modifications. As it should be.
You hardly see a decent and original example nowadays.
And the ones that are decent go for high prices. I've seen as high as 6 grand.
[quote=Man of Steel;957064]There is a nice and clean example of a 205 GTI in my street. White with the original alloys and no modifications. As it should be.
You hardly see a decent and original example nowadays.[/quote]
[quote=Ferrer;957097]And the ones that are decent go for high prices. I've seen as high as 6 grand.[/quote]
I hope to own one, one day, unfortunately when i can afford the insurance and the car itself, it will be even more expensive as it will be a true collectors car.