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[QUOTE=Matra et Alpine]ah but did you READ what I pointed out ( and henk reminded too ) ???
You are comparing damaged-goods :D
OLD OLD line on UCP where we've seen time and again that the product YOU GUYS GET is worse suspension settings, worse gearing and worse performance because it's modified to meet the US "market needs"
THAT is why what I wrote was predictable !!!!!!
But you still seem to insist on decrying others who have experienced the REAL cars using your (bad) experience as the benchmark :([/QUOTE]
Also waiting for you to bring that up. So all the cars we get have "American" steering and performance, even the performance versions right?
Its like talking to a brick wall that thinks its a comedian. :mad:
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[quote=Slicks]Also waiting for you to bring that up. So all the cars we get have "American" steering and performance, even the performance versions right?
Its like talking to a brick wall that thinks its a comedian. :mad:[/quote]
GO AND CHECK YOUR FACTS :D
Yes, "most" of the cars you get have setups different for yoru market :)
Of course real "performance" cars come adjsutable anyway, but I wasnt' includign those.
So you REALLY think that the Merc you get is exactly the same as ours ? or the Beemer ? or Jag ? Go read the manufacturers own press releases and you will READ them talking about "optimising" the car for the US market :D
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[QUOTE=sunk]Look, most of us are going to drive at 3000rpm-4000rpm on public roads. Whats the point of having a sports car that behaves like a normal econobox at that limit?
Woudn't you like to have some more 'juice' at that range?[/QUOTE]
at the expense of top end power ??
what u want sir is a truck, not a sports car
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[QUOTE=KnifeEdge_2K1]at the expense of top end power ??
what u want sir is a truck, not a sports car[/QUOTE]
tell that to the Audi people, who are now racing the R10:D
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slicks, just for the record, from the press release on the new E-Class
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In the USA the E-Class in the guise of the E 320 CDI since 2004 is the first diesel model in the premium-class segment in the USA. From model year 2007 Mercedes-Benz intends to launch the first diesel production vehicle in the USA with the trailblazing BLUETEC technology, which will provide further remarkable reductions in nitrogen oxide emissions. The future E 320 BLUETEC will be the world’s cleanest diesel, using 20 to 40 percent less fuel than comparable petrol-engined vehicles. In Europe Mercedes-Benz plans to launch BLUETEC in a passenger car model by 2008."
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with BLUETEC, Mercedes really are taking the piss :p
what's next - shitty cars?
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[QUOTE=Slicks]atleast one car from every Japanese company.[/QUOTE]
Some Japanese companies never made a car.
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I have just bought my first honda about 3 weeks ago... and i love it
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cheap, reliable, good on gas but too many ricers with walmart mufflers.
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get it right: 'kthxbai' :D:D:D
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[QUOTE=dimlight]Its the Mcdonalds of cars.. love it or hate it. Everybody knows it.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I'm of the latter persuasion, but I know a lot of people who swear by them, too. I can't see their reliability holding up with all the technology going into cars these days, though. Same goes for anybody.
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um ... technology makes things MORE reliable
its true that there is more stuff to go wrong, but the fact that everything is hooked up means that any error will be detected long before it becomes a critical one
i agree with you if you're talking about the useless shit they put in to the high class luxury cars like doors that close themselves, but when you're talking stuff like engine management we're on opposite sides of the fence
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[QUOTE=KnifeEdge_2K1]um ... technology makes things MORE reliable
its true that there is more stuff to go wrong, but the fact that everything is hooked up means that any error will be detected long before it becomes a critical one
i agree with you if you're talking about the useless shit they put in to the high class luxury cars like doors that close themselves, but when you're talking stuff like engine management we're on opposite sides of the fence[/QUOTE]
You and I must have had experience with much different cars to come to such opposite conclusions...although it doesn't help that I don't like computers and definitely don't like this mass computerization thing that's happened in the last decade.
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back to topic....
Likes: Reliability, Engines, Cheap, NSX.
Dislikes: Civic (read ricers)
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I have one, very reliable, reassuring, safe, great engines (very quiet at idle but manic at the top end), very agile thanks to smaller wheels (at least on my Accord), superb steering (Better than a SEAT Cupra, Audi A4 Quattro, Nissan Micra, newer version of the Accord, Vauxhall Astra), Fantastic Gearshift (better than most of the above), not desparately expensive to buy or run, doesn't have an image problem, never make turbocharged petrol engines, quite good looking .... I could go on for a long time.
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[quote=:Exige:;514294]Good value for money, usually cheap to run.[/quote]
I like Honda Civic this is the most popular car among teens. This car has almost all of the qualities preferred by teens and their parents, safety, reliability, economy, style, performance, low insurance rates, and driving comfort.
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A history of engineering brilliance because of one man's passion. Soichiro... the automotive world needs more like him. He's missed.
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[quote=csl177;964708]A history of engineering brilliance because of one man's passion. Soichiro... the automotive world needs more like him. He's missed.[/quote]
Yeah, I think Honda lately really hasn't done much in his general idea. They lost their direction.
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resale value is good.I didn't sell any Honda car yet but i had tried to sell my car and offered great.
Performance is great as i have a CR-V.I didn't get any Problem related to engine yet it crossed 6 months.
I don't like the design of every car except CR-V.They have enough car that catches eyes.
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not a huge fan of Honda, but if i had to answer, mostly they make good engines :) vtech!
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But I hope Honda also is able to be more competitive in F1. Where they are definitely lacking at this moment.
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[quote=Wolf03;514378]- Great reliability (is there any manufacturer out there better?)
- Great engines (fuel efficient in class, yet powerful)
- Quality materials (I don't know why my parents chose the Accord over the Camry but I remember for sure, they chose it over the Altima because the Altima has poor-quality plastics)
- Surprisingly cheap for the amount of stuff you get
Yes, I know the cars are a bit bland and boring but still awesome cars overall. I'm really trying to get my parents to get a 2006 Civic Coupe (so I may drive it around :p )[/quote]
Fast forward to 2018 and all qualities named above have been improved tremendously..from the engine capacities to the tires and the interior designs. i personally think they got the most comfortable leather seats in the industry today.
Funny enough, Hondas are still quite affordable..
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The most important point is to save fuel, so it is more environmentally friendly.
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They seem to care about racing.
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Honda and Toyota vehicles often score well in studies carried out by J.D. Power and Consumer Reports, suggesting they are highly reliable. This makes a Honda or Toyota model a good choice for a used car, since these models usually have a lot of life left in them, even if they've already covered 100,000 miles or more.
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Mu car has 277.131 miles (or 446.000km) and it for sure isn’t a Honda.
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I doubt there are many high mileage Japanese / Asian cars in Europe. Or many Japanese / Asian cars at all, for that matter.
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Is this because Europe is a mythical place where Volkswagens actually work?
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[quote=f6fhellcat13;1018925]Is this because Europe is a mythical place where Volkswagens actually work?[/quote]
no, this is because second hand Japanese cars are very popular in Africa (quality and sturdiness), so most of these have been shipped there.
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[quote=f6fhellcat13;1018925]Is this because Europe is a mythical place where Volkswagens actually work?[/quote]
It is!
No it's not. They break down as much as anywhere else.
Anyaway, of far more interest are the registration figures for 2018 for Western Europe (they come from ACEA).
[LIST][*]Toyota Group -> 647k cars.[*]Japan (the rest of Japanese manufacturers combined) -> 1,150k cars (Nissan is 450k of those).[*]Hyundai Group ->903k cars.[/LIST]
To put that into perspective, the BMW Group sold 992k cars in Europe over the same period. The BMW brand alone (at 780k cars) outsold the entire Toyota Group. Daimler sold 937k cars in 2018 (Mercedes-Benz cars hit 839k units).
So, two theoretically prestigious, luxury premium brands outsold the mighty Toyota Group, the largest car manufacturer in the world*, in Europe.
(Nevermind giants such as VAG, over 3 million cars, PSA, over 2 million cars or Renault, almost 1.5 million cars)
No, after all those years it seems that Japanese / Asian cars are still not really popular in Europe...
[SIZE="1"]*They still are the largest car maker in the world, aren't they?[/SIZE]
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To henk's point, is the second-hand market in (Western) Europe strong, or do the laws (and perhaps culture) favor new goods?
Apropos of nothing, I would like to include this picture I took as it amuses me.
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I don't think the laws or culture favour new goods especially (although we never had this MY malarkey you had so, that's makes it even less likely). In any case, the figures suggest they are not being bought new either so...
PS. Nice Saratoga!