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[QUOTE=bruxell;821017]I think you're being needlessly cynical here. Both cars are much more than you're letting on. The Veyron (though I think it does share it's bore spacing with lesser VW motors) is a very accomplished effort from a company that have a fine tradition of making soem of the best assembled and developed automobiles in the world. It's not a real Bugatti, but it's an amazing car. And I don't really like it that much.
As for the SSC being a kit car, I can only assume that you're purely joking. That car has proven itself to be capable of stunning performance, and when reviewed (other than a couple early prototypes) has won praise for its quality of finish. No one makes fun of the last Lamborghini for having 300ZX headlamps.
And you can call me when Pagani are building their own engines...:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Of course I was being [I]slightly[/I] sarcastic.
About the Bugatti, it was discussed time ago, but basically it's all very well that it can do 400km/h but that's problem this was the car's only point. Bugatti can't (or shouldn't) be about speed only.
And about the SSC again I'm sure it's an achievement and that it is very fast but... look at it!
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I'll take the Bugatti any day... The truth is that the Bugatti is just an amazing car, with fantastic build quality, heritage, and it is a usable car.
The SSC is just a fowl looking stripped down car that maybe does more than 250 mph... however I feel it is in a different category. I would compare it to a Porsche 9FF or any other "lightweight" supercar.
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[QUOTE=F1_Master;821027]It may look or feel like a kit car, but even fellow enthusiast Jay Leno said it isn't. The car has become just as nice as other supercars.[/QUOTE]
Finally, someone who agrees with me!
I love both of them, but I would still take the Veyron
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I would take the Veyron over the SSC Aero any day.
For now the SSC Aero holds the world record, officially anyway. An interesting thing to note though is that the Veyron is limited to "only" 252mph because of it's electronic limiter. Without it the Veyron can exceed 270mph.
I'm sorry but the SSC Aero is not in the same league as the Veyron. Not at all. Saying you would take the SSC over the Veyron on a forum is one thing but would you actually take it over the Veyron? Come on! The Veyron just isn't about going fast in a straight line either you know. It can turn corners and it does it quite well. All while having the utmost in luxury. How many cars can get to 252mph and feel as though you're going 100? Certainly not the SSC Aero.
I respect the SSC greatly for what it has accomplished but comparisons like this just don't make since in the real world. The SSC is a great achievement. The Veyron is that and so much more.
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[QUOTE=FordGT;821850] For now the SSC Aero holds the world record, officially anyway. An interesting thing to note though is that the Veyron is limited to "only" 252mph because of it's electronic limiter. Without it the Veyron can exceed 270mph.[/QUOTE]
Blah-blah-blah, so VW claim. Let them take the limiter off and do it, and then produce the car that way and then any of that will matter... Right now the Veyron is in 2nd place.
[QUOTE=FordGT;821850] I'm sorry but the SSC Aero is not in the same league as the Veyron. Not at all. Saying you would take the SSC over the Veyron on a forum is one thing but would you actually take it over the Veyron? Come on! The Veyron just isn't about going fast in a straight line either you know. It can turn corners and it does it quite well. All while having the utmost in luxury. How many cars can get to 252mph and feel as though you're going 100? Certainly not the SSC Aero.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry, but these are super cars, and in that leauge all that matters is performance. Still, you have a point. the SSC isn't an overpriced, overweight bloat barge like the Veyron. It's light, and it's faster. It handles and it set it's records on real roads, not in the confines of a controled test surface. Yes, I would take the almost three SSCs I could buy for the price of one Veyron. Has it occured to you that going very, very fast might not need to be accompanied by the utmost in luxury, but that connection to the road might be preferable?
[QUOTE=FordGT;821850] I respect the SSC greatly for what it has accomplished but comparisons like this just don't make since in the real world. The SSC is a great achievement. The Veyron is that and so much more.[/QUOTE]
so much more heavy, so much more expensive, so much more based on Golf bore-spacing...
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Honestly, the SSC looks like ass. You can't outrun ugly even at 250+ miles per hour.
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[QUOTE=The_Canuck;821948]Honestly, the SSC looks like ass. You can't outrun ugly even at 250+ miles per hour.[/QUOTE]
And the Veyron doesn't? It looks like a turtle...
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Yeah, but a hot turtle XD
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[QUOTE=bruxell;821950]And the Veyron doesn't? It looks like a turtle...[/QUOTE]
I wasn't arguing in favour of the veyron.
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both cars are butt ugly! Not a fan of either but id probably (barely) choose the veyron
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[QUOTE=The_Canuck;822012]I wasn't arguing in favour of the veyron.[/QUOTE]
I was just pointing out that in an SSC vs. Veyron thread, looks aren't going to make the difference for most people.
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Bugatti it's a monster :eek:
How many bugatti veyron grandsport have been sold?
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[QUOTE=exeo;837965]Bugatti it's a monster :eek:
How many bugatti veyron grandsport have been sold?[/QUOTE]
there are no official statements on that, so we only know about the first.
75 (or 85) are supposed to be sold of it.
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I'll take the Veyron anyday over the SSC!
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[QUOTE=bruxell;821947]I'm sorry, but these are super cars, and in that leauge all that matters is performance. Still, you have a point. the SSC isn't an overpriced, overweight bloat barge like the Veyron. It's light, and it's faster. It handles and it set it's records on real roads, not in the confines of a controled test surface. Yes, I would take the almost three SSCs I could buy for the price of one Veyron. Has it occured to you that going very, very fast might not need to be accompanied by the utmost in luxury, but that connection to the road might be preferable?[/QUOTE]
Damn, you're funny... Where did you get it can handle? For what I've red, it's quite the opposite. Like the Koenigseggseggsegg, the Ultimate Aero is quite uncapable of negotiating corners... With fixed aerodynamics, the balance for optimum top speed (little downforce, minimum drag) has to be contrary to optimum handling (high downforce, more pressure against the ground to improve grip), so it's not suprising it goes straight off the road just with the sight os a bend!
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I would love to have the SSC...
I prefer it over the veyron...
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the bugatti is actually french, not italian.i must admit that the name sounds very italian though...
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i prefer the SSC,it looks way better and i think that the veyron is somewhat a waste of space.
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[QUOTE=yungtris77;852996]the bugatti is actually french, not italian.i must admit that the name sounds very italian though...[/QUOTE]
That's because Ettore Bugatti was italian.
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[QUOTE=Ferrer;853035]That's because Ettore Bugatti was italian.[/QUOTE]
and Bugatti itself was "Italian" during the nineties.
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[QUOTE=5150;839886]I'll take the Veyron anyday over the SSC![/QUOTE]
Bugatti VEyron is a waste of money...
Not only does fuel goes whoosh even at slow speeds... the car itself is expensive,...
and very heavy...
The SSC is cheaper and faster at top speed...
It cost just a little more than an SLR...
The SSC even has more power even if it has a smaller engine...
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This is seriously the most rubbish argument. This is sooo obvious.
The bugatti has long and historical history. The SSC doesn't. The veyron is a more beautiful car. The ssc looks like a mutated kitten. The veyron is actually built using parts that actually work. The SSC is made up of burnt plastic, fake cheap leather, and loads of dirt and is built by a bunch of hippis that are chained to the production line.
Also, the veyron is a superb handling car with just a hint of understeer. The ssc.............. I would rather drive a peugeot around a corner than in that thing. Additionally, the veyron is actually worth the money you pay for it. It is record-breaking exquisite beautiful confortable and wears a badge representing a marque that has really made the history books as a true legend in motorsport and cars.
The SSC has basically none of that.
The fact of the matter is that the SSC has a higher top speed-but that's it. It is RUBBISH at every thing else. Honestly, I would rather an 80 year old civic that has been split in half and has been drowned 8 times to the bottom of the pacific ocean. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. WOULD YOU REALLY WANT THAT AMERICAN PLASTIC HEAP OF RUBBISH??????
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[QUOTE=Ferrari60;855923]
The SSC has basically none of that.
The fact of the matter is that the SSC has a higher top speed-but that's it. It is RUBBISH at every thing else. [/quote]
It's an American car, according to Jeremy Clarkson when he was testing the CTS-V cadillc in top gear... "american cars are very fast in a straight line but useless on everything else".
[QUOTE=Ferrari60;855923]
Honestly, I would rather an 80 year old civic that has been split in half and has been drowned 8 times to the bottom of the pacific ocean. JUST THINK ABOUT IT. WOULD YOU REALLY WANT THAT AMERICAN PLASTIC HEAP OF RUBBISH??????[/QUOTE]
Now that's just being too negtive about the SSC
If i'll give you that option to choose between a civic and an ssc and actually give the car to you...
I am sure you'll choose the AMERICAN PLASTIC HEAP OF RUBBISH over a car which has TURBOLAG EVEN IF THAT CAR HASN'T GOT ANY TURBO with a fancy VTEC in it....
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[QUOTE=Bleeding Heart;855961]It's an American car, according to Jeremy Clarkson when he was testing the CTS-V cadillc in top gear... "american cars are very fast in a straight line but useless on everything else".[/QUOTE]
The more recent episode featuring the three in the states showed them having a blast on those mountain roads. Well, the challenger not so much as piloted by Hammond but May and Clarkson had nothing but praise for the ZR-1 and CTS-V.
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[QUOTE=Ferrari60;855923]I would rather drive a peugeot around a corner than in that thing.[/QUOTE]
As if a Peugeot drove badly.
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I guess I would choose the Veyron aswell agreeing with the arguments posted. As for the argument of price I think the Veyron would be worth a lot more than the SCC after some years. I imagine the money you'd save for purchase would be gone when you try to sell the ugly kit-car
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The SSC ain't that ugly actually, it's better looking than an Enzo or a Zonda actually...
But what the hell... They're supercars, they're not made to be pretty... They're designed to slice through air efficiently for them to go fast...
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[QUOTE=Bleeding Heart;855978]The SSC ain't that ugly actually, it's better looking than an Enzo or a Zonda actually...
But what the hell... They're supercars, they're not made to be pretty... They're designed to slice through air efficiently for them to go fast...[/QUOTE]
You could argue that some are, but for the most part I'd agree. Form usually follows function but some freedom is there.
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And I guess Bugatti has this beautiful bubble-shape profile because it works very whell at 250mph... The air really flows on the body of the bugatti..
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[QUOTE=Bleeding Heart;855982]And I guess Bugatti has this beautiful bubble-shape profile because it works very whell at 250mph... The air really flows on the body of the bugatti..[/QUOTE]
bugatti actually struggled with aerodynamics. they released the concept, and the claim that it would do 400 kph, without it ever venturing into a wind tunnel. it turned out that it got very unstable a high speeds, and they even sent one into the wall at Nardo. So it took a long tim eof r a compromise to be reached, and if you look at the varying iterations of the concepts, you can see changes to the aero package. its still not ideal, but it is a compromise between the designers and the engineers.
the SSC didnt have designer dictating anything, so the shape is all driven by the wind tunnel. and thats why it looks so very ugly.
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[QUOTE=cmcpokey;856071]bugatti actually struggled with aerodynamics. they released the concept, and the claim that it would do 400 kph, without it ever venturing into a wind tunnel. it turned out that it got very unstable a high speeds, and they even sent one into the wall at Nardo. So it took a long tim eof r a compromise to be reached, and if you look at the varying iterations of the concepts, you can see changes to the aero package. its still not ideal, but it is a compromise between the designers and the engineers.
the SSC didnt have designer dictating anything, so the shape is all driven by the wind tunnel. and thats why it looks so very ugly.[/QUOTE]
But when you're going that fast it's hard to see the ugliness. Besides, I appreciate the fact that to hit top speed you just go. Don't have to worry about stopping and turning keys and then being careful not to touch the brakes or turn the wheel too far. Plus, it weighs 1700 pounds less. That's another (small) car.
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[QUOTE=wwgkd;856094]But when you're going that fast it's hard to see the ugliness. Besides, I appreciate the fact that to hit top speed you just go. Don't have to worry about stopping and turning keys and then being careful not to touch the brakes or turn the wheel too far. Plus, it weighs 1700 pounds less. That's another (small) car.[/QUOTE]
yeah... that fast and it should be able to outrun the ugly. both cars are tremendous achievements, and to be able to go over 200 is amazing let alone 250.
my opinion is that i will never go 200+ unless i am in a very controlled environment. 150 is doable on the road in a very isolated place, but over that is a bit insane. even 150 is a bit insane. i would rather have the ability to dawdle around town in comfort and not have everything sacrificed for speed. veyron for me. as fundamentally opposed to it as i am, it is still a very lovely car with superlative comfort at 250 mph.
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[QUOTE=cmcpokey;856095]yeah... that fast and it should be able to outrun the ugly. both cars are tremendous achievements, and to be able to go over 200 is amazing let alone 250.
my opinion is that i will never go 200+ unless i am in a very controlled environment. 150 is doable on the road in a very isolated place, but over that is a bit insane. even 150 is a bit insane. i would rather have the ability to dawdle around town in comfort and not have everything sacrificed for speed. veyron for me. as fundamentally opposed to it as i am, it is still a very lovely car with superlative comfort at 250 mph.[/QUOTE]
Aside from the litterally deafening noise, yeah comfortable. Seriously though I respect that; I'd never think about hitting that kind of speed on a public street and would instead reserve it for track days (if you can afford the car, the track day is relatively cheap after all.)
In keeping with that spirit the top speed doesn't mean anywhere near as much to me as cornering which, to be honest, isn't the strong suit of either of these vehicles. That's why I'd take the ACR over the regular viper, lower top speed and less comfortable, but if you're really going to exploit the car you have to do it on a track and there the ACR is seriously fast. I don't really get the luxury/speed combination since one tends to compromise the other. For that matter luxury isn't real important to me, but I'm still young and I guess a smoother ride could mean more to me once I'm really old and beatup. I want just enough comfort to be able to enjoy the experience, which basically means a nice seat, noise levels that won't make me go deaf instantly, and possibly an AC and radio. If the ride is too rough for me then the suspension is already so stiff that you're losing traction by skittering around, so ride's not really an issue for an enthusiast type car.
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Luxury and speed don't have to be mutually exclusive.
This is what sets the 599s and DB9s apart from the Corvettes of the car world. The belief that both can be had, but that the owners have to pay for it. GM believes/ed that the owners where not willing to as so did not aim to develop the car in that vein.
The Veyron is just the ultimate example of this work. Reading the evo interview with Louis Biochhi he is extremely happy he managed to make the car handle so well. Despite it being massively heavy it is also apparently quite nimble.
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[QUOTE=Cyco;856166]Luxury and speed don't have to be mutually exclusive.
This is what sets the 599s and DB9s apart from the Corvettes of the car world. The belief that both can be had, but that the owners have to pay for it. GM believes/ed that the owners where not willing to as so did not aim to develop the car in that vein.
The Veyron is just the ultimate example of this work. Reading the evo interview with Louis Biochhi he is extremely happy he managed to make the car handle so well. Despite it being massively heavy it is also apparently quite nimble.[/QUOTE]
True, but the 599 isn't the most nimble car ferrari makes, either. Ferrari just found a very good compromise for the 599, and for that matter tha base F430. I'd take the scuderia any day, though. I actually love the spartanness and exposed welds.
I've heard conflicting reports on how well the Veyron handles. Some say it handles well for it's size, others say it feels reluctant and unfulfilling in the twisties. I don't doubt that it has massive traction, but I tend to think that it's transitional abilities probably aren't that great.
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[QUOTE=Markie Boy;521111]I'd take the Bugatti because it will last for another 10yrs and knowing american cars the ssc will probably have its engine blown up or pistons will be fried after doing 440kmh[/QUOTE]
Yeah right, corvette's are probably some of the most reliable "supercars" on the road today. Bugattis have never been known for their reliability i dunno where you are getting your ideas from.
if you are talking about durability and "lasting 10 years" that should go in favor of the car featuring the corvette motor not the car featuring a 16 cylinder technological marvel...not to mention whenever one of them breaks, i doubt you can head down to auto zone and get basic parts for the bugatti.
that being said.
If im spending my own money...the SSC (but only cause i have two cars to choose from).
If its free, the bugatti hands down! its a freakin bugatti! not to mention not only has it been proven to go 250mph or whatever, its also relatively stable at that speed. I would trust going that fast in a bugatti, i would not trust going that fast in the SSC
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Relatively stable compared to what? In high speed mode it doesn't have that massive downforce and actually creates less than the SSC.
When they had Guinness world records out there to verify the SSC was the fastest production car (on a new stretch of road outside the tri cities where it's built, not a fancy high speed facility) there were gusts of winds (in that area the wind never really stops) and the thing did not have any trouble with them even at extremely high speeds. Obviously they waited for the wind to die down before making their record run, but still.
Edit: haha, 500th post
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[QUOTE=Bleeding Heart;855961]It's an American car, according to Jeremy Clarkson when he was testing the CTS-V cadillc in top gear... "american cars are very fast in a straight line but useless on everything else".
Now that's just being too negtive about the SSC
If i'll give you that option to choose between a civic and an ssc and actually give the car to you...
I am sure you'll choose the AMERICAN PLASTIC HEAP OF RUBBISH over a car which has TURBOLAG EVEN IF THAT CAR HASN'T GOT ANY TURBO with a fancy VTEC in it....[/QUOTE]
I would, i was just being melodramatic. Sorry mate(:
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[QUOTE=roosterjuicer;856187]Yeah right, corvette's are probably some of the most reliable "supercars" on the road today. Bugattis have never been known for their reliability i dunno where you are getting your ideas from.
if you are talking about durability and "lasting 10 years" that should go in favor of the car featuring the corvette motor not the car featuring a 16 cylinder technological marvel...not to mention whenever one of them breaks, i doubt you can head down to auto zone and get basic parts for the bugatti.
that being said.
If im spending my own money...the SSC (but only cause i have two cars to choose from).
If its free, the bugatti hands down! its a freakin bugatti! not to mention not only has it been proven to go 250mph or whatever, its also relatively stable at that speed. I would trust going that fast in a bugatti, i would not trust going that fast in the SSC[/QUOTE]
Well... being too stable will probably make your speed run be boring...
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[QUOTE=Bleeding Heart;856787]Well... being too stable will probably make your speed run be boring...[/QUOTE]
im not sure how fast you have driven, but i have done 140, and at that speed you like the car to be stable. your focus is on everything outside the car, paying attention for sounds of anything inside the car that may be breaking and sending you skidding into the trees, and the last thing you want to be worrying about is the car not being stable. when you hit an expansion joint at 200 mph you dont want the cars back end to go jumping to one side. i had that happen the other day at 70 on a big tight turn, and its scared the shit out of me. if i were driving 200+ i would want that car to be rock solid, i don'e care how 'boring' it is.