Sorry sir, did you post ?. maybe your avatar had me stuck in some trance like state.
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Sorry sir, did you post ?. maybe your avatar had me stuck in some trance like state.
interestingly , some of the fastest Touring Car class e30's ever were the aussie touring car ones .
longest use & development period
[quote=clutch-monkey;956374]badsight there is actually some cool footage of VXR8's in some italian based GT race series iirc - looks real interesting compared to V8 supertaxi's; the italian version seems to be open to all saloons, VXR8, quatroporte, M3, merceded etc etc[/quote]awesome , sounds mean to have the aussie 5.0's against the dohc euro 8's
for the supercars to interest me , it needs to be a Falcon GT coupe against the Monaro . for me too , as it is , its the battle of the taxis
doesnt the CTSV (LS9) hold the 4 door record for Nurburgring ? love the look of the CTS & would own one in a shot
I bet the hypnotoad did this.
i honestly carntoad remember ?.
[quote=Badsight;956389]
awesome , sounds mean to have the aussie 5.0's against the dohc euro 8's
for the supercars to interest me , it needs to be a Falcon GT coupe against the Monaro . for me too , as it is , its the battle of the taxis
doesnt the CTSV (LS9) hold the 4 door record for Nurburgring ? love the look of the CTS & would own one in a shot[/quote]
it's not the 5.0L i think it seemed more production based, the bodies certainly were all factory still. not sure though i didn't look into it that deeply.
[quote=motorsportnerd;956378]Well, I think we're the only two replying to this thread who actually own a Holden or Ford. There are a few others who like Fords or Holdens.
But I don't think any of the posters here are completely one eyed when it comes to Fords or Holdens.[/quote]
Nah, i'm one of those brainless people driving something average with no knowledge of cars and dont know any better as well. I picked up a BF2 XT a couple of months ago.
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[quote=Badsight;956373]yeah theres no need for that. while i am a v8 engine ...
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i dont recall that part of my post being directed at you. likewise, i dont answer to you. just a suggestion, maybe stick to replying to comments that apply to you in future?
[quote=motorsportnerd;956379]Very few of us are one-eyed Ford or Holden fans, as I mentioned in my previous post. In fact, I believe Clutch-Monkey has a certain fondness for the Porsche marque;)
I don't think a Porsche 911 Turbo is overpriced compared to a Ferrari 458 Italia. However, it could be argued that is overpriced when compared to a Nissan GT-R - but let's not go there. The 911 Turbo is an all-time great, no matter which model we're discussing.
You have said that the Vauxhall VXR shouldn't be compared with the BMW M3, Audi RS6, Jaguar XF-R, et al. And I agree that oranges should be compared with oranges.
So, exactly what should the equivilent HSV GTS be compared with? In Australia, certainly, it can be compared with the FPV Falcon GT and the FPV Falcon F6. What else around $70K can it be compared with? A Liberty GT or VW Passat R36 cannot match a HSV GTS - they are competition for the cheaper and slower Commodore SS-V. The VW Golf R is a hot hatch. The Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X and Subaru Impreza WRX STi are more specialised rally homolation specials.
Any used Euro sports sedan brings the used vs new argument into play. And since a HSV GTS E-series can be bought used for a substantial saving, we'd be back at square one in the debate.
In England, the Vauxhall VXR8 would have even less competition for the price. A Cadillac CTS-V is probably its natural competitor, but that too is more expensive. Also, can anyone advise how heavily the previous generation of Vauxhall VXR8s have depreciated? They may hold value relative to BMW, Mercedes, etc, better than HSV does in Australia.
The opening post looks like its lifted from a Vauxhall press release. Naturally Vauxhall will compare the VXR8 with other competitors. Since the VXR8 doesn't actually have any competitors in the UK, perhaps they should simply have said it is in a class all by itself.[/quote]
probably the only individual on ucp that gets what i am on about.
"Since the VXR8 doesn't actually have any competitors in the UK, perhaps they should simply have said it is in a class all by itself."
bravo, amen, praise the lord, i will drink to that. hopefully the penny might drop for a few others.
[quote=ozzycarnut;956403]i dont recall that part of my post being directed at you. likewise, i dont answer to you. just a suggestion, maybe stick to replying to comments that apply to you in future?[/quote]your right , the post i quoted wasnt directed to me
but theres still no need for it . the regualrs here are generally reasonable adults . we "get" what your on about , but dont feel the need to comfort your opinion & can see how its not the "ultimate golden truth"
this is the internet . being disagreed with doesnt automatically equal a personal insult , & doesnt deserve them as replies
[quote=IBrake4Rainbows;956190]
Notoriously Holden Biased...right....[/quote]
Wheels has been accused of this in the past. However, I think they are a bit Volkswagen biased if anything at the moment. The odds on favourite to win the 2010 Car of the Year is the VW Polo. If the Polo does win it mean mean VW wins the award two years in a row. All comparison tests involving VW seem to go VW's way. Also, most Ford v Holden tests in the last few years have gone the way of the FG Falcon. So, I'm not sure that Wheels is all that Holden biased.
[quote=IBrake4Rainbows;956190]
What's your qualifying point to say the M3 will rip an SS-V to pieces? Performance wise it's remarkably close, certainly the incremental advances do not easily outweigh the enourmous price differential - which might have had something to do with the outcome....[/quote]
I guess the M3 would be quicker on a track.
[quote=IBrake4Rainbows;956190]Two points: Firstly, the main reason these cars are now so "Cheap" is because they were blatantly overpriced in the first place and the used market has corrected the initial overspend. I read on Redbook a BMW 740iL was expected to hold onto roughly 38% (!) of it's original purchase price after 3 years. What justifys a $300,000 car dropping in price by almost 2/3rd after only 3 years on the road? It's not like it's superceded, it's still much more technically advanced than a brand-new commodore?
Here's the kicker though - it's a false economy to think you're getting a $180k car for $60k.
What you're getting is a 3 year old car for the same price as a similarly specced new locally manufactured model. It might have been in a different league at manufacture, but cars catch up remarkably fast.[/quote]
At least the high depreciation of the BMW 740iL means that they become more affordable after a few years for those willing to take a considered risk on a used Euro luxury car compared to a new Aussie or Euro executive sedan.
As to what justifies the depreciation? Nothing I can think of - and like new Fords or Holdens it is best to let someone else take the initial depreciation hit.
[quote=fpv_gtho;956394]Nah, i'm one of those brainless people driving something average with no knowledge of cars and dont know any better as well. I picked up a BF2 XT a couple of months ago.[/quote]
Well, that makes three of us then. Enjoying your new car?
[quote=clutch-monkey;956393]it's not the 5.0L i think it seemed more production based, the bodies certainly were all factory still. not sure though i didn't look into it that deeply.[/quote]
The Italian V8 Superstars is for production based cars. Other than the wings and a few light mods they are relatively standard. The Chevrolet Lumina (aka Commodore SS-V) runs the production car's 6.2-litre V8.
Give these cars more power (say 500-550kW) and let them run the same suspension/wheel set-ups as the V8 Supercars, and it would be the way to go for Australian Touring Car racing.
[quote=Badsight;956423]your right , the post i quoted wasnt directed to me
but theres still no need for it . the regualrs here are generally reasonable adults . we "get" what your on about , but dont feel the need to comfort your opinion & can see how its not the "ultimate golden truth"
this is the internet . being disagreed with doesnt automatically equal a personal insult , & doesnt deserve them as replies[/quote]
so i would say to you my friend, there are those on here that love the antagonistic keyboard hero type of life that they live, they get a kick out of it, and they scoff at being responded to by someone not unlike myself. you cant go crying to your mum after being bitten by a dog that you have just spent half an hour stirring up.
i presented a few credible arguments in relation to the vxr8, and its certainly not the 'ultimate golden truth', as you put it, but merely my perspective. i would suggest though that theres an elite club of strokers on here that love to rev people up just for kicks, rather than actually consider what the ucp member has to say, or, god forbid, respond with something on a similarly considered level.
disagreement i can do, motorsportnerd and i have been butting heads throughout this thread, its keyboard heroes that have never been to a car show hiding behind the anonymity of the internet that i have an issue with.
[quote=fpv_gtho;956394]Nah, i'm one of those brainless people driving something average with no knowledge of cars and dont know any better as well. I picked up a BF2 XT a couple of months ago.[/quote]
LPG or petrol?
[quote=motorsportnerd;956426]The Italian V8 Superstars is for production based cars. Other than the wings and a few light mods they are relatively standard. The Chevrolet Lumina (aka Commodore SS-V) runs the production car's 6.2-litre V8.
Give these cars more power (say 500-550kW) and let them run the same suspension/wheel set-ups as the V8 Supercars, and it would be the way to go for Australian Touring Car racing.[/quote]
yeah it looks like a lot of fun - the cars are more relatable too, being production based - i hope the local series takes some pointers from it.
[quote=ozzycarnut;956434]
i presented [I]a few credible arguments[/I] in relation to the vxr8, and its certainly not the 'ultimate golden truth', as you put it, but merely my [B]perspective.[/B] [/quote]
definately, but key point here is the bolded part
the VXR8 is not a premium car, but your viewpoint definitely seems skewed by factors that honestly not really relevant to the car - esepcially with this model being UK specific and thus 'unsullied' by the local demographic..
i mean sure, i'd take an M3 any day over the SS.. just not if it was my money.
[quote=ozzycarnut;956434]
disagreement i can do, motorsportnerd and i have been butting heads throughout this thread, its keyboard heroes that [B]have never been to a car show hiding [/B]behind the anonymity of the internet that i have an issue with.[/quote]
lol
nearly all local regular members on here all met at the 2005 sydney motorshow, and again in subsequent years at melbourne motor show/phillip island classic (and some of us at eastern creek superlap) ;):)