Now the chance to tell the teams what kind of qualifying you'd like to see

[Matra et Alpine]

Couple of new proposals up for consideration from the teams and are looking to hear from the fans.

let them know .... http://www.formula1.com/news/3312.html

I go Proposal 1 as it removes weather as a factor favouring the different sections

[6'bore]

I'm im two minds, I think the First one would be best, but the second one would make drivers push harder all of the time in qualifying, making it more interesting.

[Matra et Alpine]

I'm im two minds, I think the First one would be best, but the second one would make drivers push harder all of the time in qualifying, making it more interesting.

hmmmm.....
I pictured that if I had the fastest car then in the first few sessions I'd just do enough to make sure I was above the cut line. THEN in the last session go flat out knowing the opposition.
Also the number of cars on track reduces through the sessions

[6'bore]

hmmmm.....
I pictured that if I had the fastest car then in the first few sessions I'd just do enough to make sure I was above the cut line. THEN in the last session go flat out knowing the opposition.
Also the number of cars on track reduces through the sessions

That's true, I think the first one would be the best. Although I also think that they shouldn't be able to refule like it is now, it makes for more interesting strategies.

[Jack_Bauer]

I've voted for the first option purely on the basis that I think the second one sounds WAY too complicated and confusing. It sounds a little bit like the DTM Superpole qualifying, which to be fair has been pretty successful. (In DTM they run open qualy for 30 mins and after that the top ten go through to a one lap 'superpole', kinda like a mini version of the current F1 system.) But in DTM the cars are a LOT more closely matched so it is much more about the driver than the car, plus there aren't the additional concerns of looking after tyres and engines etc which currently plague F1.

However I do have serious reservations about the first option too. I can see that the idea is for there to be as much action on track for the fans as possible but unless they change the current engine regs I can see problems. The fact is if you need an engine to last for two whole race weekends the teams simply aren't gonna be willing to push them to the absolute limit more than a couple of times in the session. Especially with the smaller teams who know that they aren't gonna make significant progress up the grid anyway regardless of how many laps they run, there really isn't a lot of incentive for them to go out and risk over-cooking their engines. Plus I'm not convinced of the whole aggregate qualifying time idea. It didn't really work very well earlier this season so I don't see why it would work this time.

I don't know why they can't just go back to the old 1 hour, 12 lap (or even unlimited lap) qualy session.

[my porsche]

i voted option 2 but they are both flawed

[Matra et Alpine]

I don't know why they can't just go back to the old 1 hour, 12 lap (or even unlimited lap) qualy session.

before changing the rul;es the problem was the "best" teams were waiting for the last 5 minutes before makine ONE appeareance and storming the quali.
It made the 1 hour session a bore for the spectators and more importantnly the TV companies.
IF they are going to broadcast the qualifying they need the action to be for the whole hour.
So they thought copying the WSB Superpole was the best idea and kind of forgot that bieks and cars are different and the other rules hindered the plan !!

Both these options put forward by the teams clearly are intended to maximise their sponsors exposure in the broadcast of a complete hour of qualifying being guaranteed



Ok, m_p, what woudl YOU do ? The FIA can't get it right, the teasm can't get it right. What then ? It's easy to go "flaw, flaw" and real hard to come up with a solution that doesn't have any Care to try ?????

[Homem de Gelo]

Proposal one is the best option. Proposal two can be heavily influenced by bad weather and it also is extremely prejudicial and unfair to the smaller teams. The best would actually be proposal one without the aggregate times, just stipulate a minimum number of laps each drivers should do in each of the 25 minutes sessions and let them give it a try.

Of course, to have real and proper qualifying, the tyre rules and engine rules must be heavily revised. That will never happen though.

[Matra et Alpine]

Of course, to have real and proper qualifying, the tyre rules and engine rules must be heavily revised. That will never happen though.

Will be interesting to see if the return to slicks brings about more consistent tyres.

[Homem de Gelo]

They will, in 2008.
lol

[fpv_gtho]

It sounds a little bit like the DTM Superpole qualifying, which to be fair has been pretty successful. (In DTM they run open qualy for 30 mins and after that the top ten go through to a one lap 'superpole', kinda like a mini version of the current F1 system.)

Funnily enough they run the exact same system in V8 Supercars, although the numbers are spread out alot with a minimum of 32 cars at each round, and only 10 making it to the one lap shootout.

I voted for proposal 1 though,

[my porsche]

before changing the rul;es the problem was the "best" teams were waiting for the last 5 minutes before makine ONE appeareance and storming the quali.
It made the 1 hour session a bore for the spectators and more importantnly the TV companies.
IF they are going to broadcast the qualifying they need the action to be for the whole hour.
So they thought copying the WSB Superpole was the best idea and kind of forgot that bieks and cars are different and the other rules hindered the plan !!

Both these options put forward by the teams clearly are intended to maximise their sponsors exposure in the broadcast of a complete hour of qualifying being guaranteed



Ok, m_p, what woudl YOU do ? The FIA can't get it right, the teasm can't get it right. What then ? It's easy to go "flaw, flaw" and real hard to come up with a solution that doesn't have any Care to try ?????

WWMPD: have a mini race or 60 minute lap-as-fast-as-you-can time trial, whats so wrong with that

[Matra et Alpine]

WWMPD: have a mini race or 60 minute lap-as-fast-as-you-can time trial, whats so wrong with that

Why have TWO races ? Qualifying and the real race ?? Seems confused !!!
"QUALIFYING" is that surely, not "racing" Woudl "blocking" be acceptabel in this "mini race" ? And how is that measnt to sort out a reasonable start grid with the fastest car/driver on pole rather than the mobile chicane on pole ??

erm, 60 minunte lap-as-fast-as-you-can is what it used to be and if you do a little research you'll find otu all the problesm associated with that. I've already posted the major one !!!