I'm a BAD AMERICAN!

**werty** · 10-21-2005, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

and quickly stepped aside on the fact that 16 years ago the US was FUNDING Bin Laden, providng training and weapons so that as a "freedom fighter" he challneged the Russians.
Dont' be selective in responding and avoidign the difficult bits.

WHY DO YOU NOT SUPPORT RUSSIA'S RIGHT TO KILL HIM THEN ?

at the time, America supported him because his motives were way different then they are now. Had anyone known what was coming from him, nobody wouldve stopped Russia.

**werty** · 10-21-2005, 06:11 PM

I'm done with this thread, it is way off topic. I'm sorry about the fake email, I got it from a friend yesterday, and honestly did not check it to see if it was really written by him. But it did have some good points.

**Spastik_Roach** · 10-21-2005, 06:17 PM

Theres only so much hogswash you can use I guess.

**Matra et Alpine** · 10-21-2005, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by werty

im not saying fight me or fight the USA to change it

im saying, if every country is sooooo against the USA, whats holding them back from saying anything...like "hey you guys should stop"

erm, they do.

It's called the UN.

The US ignores it

seems like the only ones are France and Germany...but then again, when they denied help on the war on terrosim they became the "butt of the jokes"

they did NOTHING

Germany and France have fought terrorism for decades before GWB woek up America.
I think your confusing BUSH's "war on terrorism" with the necessity to address terrorists all over the world.
They had a stronger belief in due legal process than Blair did. BUT, Blair had to use the whips to ensure he got HIS way, so even his own party were not in agreement over the backing. Dont' take our joining in to mean that the political representatives or the people believed in it.

**charged** · 10-21-2005, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

erm, they do.

It's called the UN.

The US ignores it

Germany and France have fought terrorism for decades before GWB woek up America.
I think your confusing BUSH's "war on terrorism" with the necessity to address terrorists all over the world.
They had a stronger belief in due legal process than Blair did. BUT, Blair had to use the whips to ensure he got HIS way, so even his own party were not in agreement over the backing. Dont' take our joining in to mean that the political representatives or the people believed in it.

I didnt vote for John Howard (Australian Prime Minister) and certainly didnt want our troops to go to Iraq

**Matra et Alpine** · 10-21-2005, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by werty

at the time, America supported him because his motives were way different then they are now. Had anyone known what was coming from him, nobody wouldve stopped Russia.

woah woah WOAH stop a minute,

Bin Laden was leading "freedom fighters" to kill Russians and locals supporting Russia by any and all means. His motive ? to free his people.

Bin Laden THEN leads "freedom fighters" and this time happens to kill Americans. His motive ? to free his "people"

How are his motives different ? OTHER than not doign what America wanted ??

Funny last comment coz at the time quite a few were questioning the involvement of special forces to support them and some WERE warning of ulterior motives. There were LOTS of people saying that it should be resolved via the UN and diplomacy.

**Zytek_Fan** · 10-21-2005, 06:31 PM

Impeach Bush!

**Matra et Alpine** · 10-21-2005, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by werty

I'm done with this thread, it is way off topic. I'm sorry about the fake email, I got it from a friend yesterday, and honestly did not check it to see if it was really written by him. But it did have some good points.

100% OWNED.

"Way off topic" ?? title is "BAD AMERICAN".

Your attitude demonstrated in your posts woudl seem to suggest the discussion was spot on topic for once

But yeah lets drop it as there are already too many points being avoided.

**Bob** · 10-21-2005, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by QuattroMan

Stop crying you little "PUSSY CAT",move out get the hell out then! America is ruined by guys like you....

Funny, I always thought america was ruined by that guy who incurred several billions dollars of debt, sent thousands of americans to their deaths, changed his justification for a war AFTER he invaded and found no WMD's, takes month long vacations during one of the most destructive storms in American history, has a terrible approval rating, can't speak coherently except in a scripted speech, made an act which has left many, many children behind, found out he could no longer pay for social security, lowered the rest of the worlds 5.5 billion peoples' opinion of America, fixed his first election by having his brother count only the 'good' votes, and sold out the American people to his VPs company. What was his name again?

No I guess you're right, the problem with this country is that liberal rubbish.

**targa** · 10-21-2005, 09:56 PM

apparently, I'm a bad American because I don't like Cheesecake

**Fleet 500** · 10-21-2005, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Bob

changed his justification for a war AFTER he invaded and found no WMD's, takes month long vacations during one of the most destructive storms in American history, fixed his first election by having his brother count only the 'good' votes,

Bush didn't "change" his justification for war. If you go back and watch video, Bush mentioned Iraq's threat to its neighbors more often than WMD.

A President really is never "on vacation." They are always working.

Lol. Bush's brother recused himself during the entire recount. Bush's brother did not count one single vote! Lol.

**Matra et Alpine** · 10-22-2005, 07:16 AM

Originally Posted by Fleet 500

Bush didn't "change" his justification for war. If you go back and watch video, Bush mentioned Iraq's threat to its neighbors more often than WMD.

That's revisionist. You KNOW at the time the BIG EMPHASIS was on the so-called ability to strike with WMD in 30 minutes. It's all in the UK Hansard reports if you cant' find any sources !!

A President really is never "on vacation." They are always working.

Yeah, it's silly.
Measure a person by their RESULTS, not by how much time they spend in the office or on vacation.
The answer to THAT speaks for itself.

Lol. Bush's brother recused himself during the entire recount. Bush's brother did not count one single vote! Lol.

Silly comment. You KNOW what was meant. Trying to make the comment sound silly by twisting it is LYING, Fleet. We've given you the dictionary references for LIE. You know the coat fits ... wear it

BTW see the Presidents PR person - undersecretary for public diplomacy ( 1984 double-speak? ) - is in hot water having TWICE said Saddam had gassed 300,000 and when questioned about that statement said it was at least over 200,000 and that the mass graves existed. Those are the lies that are spread by idiots. But I'll give Fox it's dues, they DID report it was only (

) 5,000 that were gassed. See http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173084,00.html

When a person at that level gets it wrong to that level AND repeats it then it does NOT bode well for what's going on in that circle

**Matra et Alpine** · 10-22-2005, 07:20 AM

re the 'plans' previosuly proposed to say that the US should have killed Bin Laden adn Saddam years ago.

Strange that NOW the Bush adminstratino does NOT support assissination.
Or maybe it's one rule for them and a different rule for us

" President Bush on Friday said the U.N. should deal quickly and seriously with a report implicating Syria in the assassination of Lebanon's former prime minister, " PS: I'm giving the FOX angle on it again ... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173043,00.html

Wonder what will happen if someone asks the UN to deal quickly and seriously with someone misleading the world to war ??

Does this alter the opinion of those who would call for the US/UK et al to assissinate other leaders of nations or "freedom fighters" ????

**Fleet 500** · 10-22-2005, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine

That's revisionist. You KNOW at the time the BIG EMPHASIS was on the so-called ability to strike with WMD in 30 minutes. It's all in the UK Hansard reports if you cant' find any sources !!

Yeah, it's silly.
Measure a person by their RESULTS, not by how much time they spend in the office or on vacation.
The answer to THAT speaks for itself.

Silly comment. You KNOW what was meant. Trying to make the comment sound silly by twisting it is LYING, Fleet. We've given you the dictionary references for LIE. You know the coat fits ... wear it

BTW see the Presidents PR person - undersecretary for public diplomacy ( 1984 double-speak? ) - is in hot water having TWICE said Saddam had gassed 300,000 and when questioned about that statement said it was at least over 200,000 and that the mass graves existed. Those are the lies that are spread by idiots. But I'll give Fox it's dues, they DID report it was only (

) 5,000 that were gassed. See http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,173084,00.html

When a person at that level gets it wrong to that level AND repeats it then it does NOT bode well for what's going on in that circle

Back to the "L" word again? Don't you realize when the best you can do is call the other person a liar, it weakens your argument?

There was not one Democrat (or anyone else) who criticized Bush's brother regarding the 2000 election because he had no part of it.

There you go again... being more tolerant of Saddam than Bush!

**scottie300z** · 10-22-2005, 01:58 PM

Originally Posted by Fleet 500

There you go again... being more tolerant of Saddam than Bush!

maybe its because bush is the one who started a war while saddam was accused of maybe having the ability to.

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