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[guyt_x]

the rest can be wielded shut.

[Dub'd]

Originally posted by guyt_x
hmmmm

if american cars are sooo great and soo fast why does no other country import them ?

and for all you fukwits who are going to say ford...
Im not talking about cars designed by europoeans for europeans.

please tell me why no other country bothers with these amazing gass guzzling terrible handling very heavy huge capacity cars, that are soo cheap ??????

do u people understand that you are the laughing stock of the rest of the world?

Guy_x - America can sell these huge cars and engines because they have the $$$ and a massive market to do it in. It also boils down the most basic marketing principle that is called DEMAND. The majority of American's demand these products from their OEM's - although recent research findings show that a large portion of the American market are turning to Japanese brands - and this shows that the auto marketing environment is indeed changing. But the majority of Americans are extremely patriotic and are by choice, ignorant to the outside world and couldn't give a rat's ass about your humble opinion. We can not blame them for being this way - it's their way of life.

But also know that it is big American companies such as GM, Chrysler and Ford (the big three) already own just about half of the worlds auto industry. General Motors alone owns the following automotive brands - Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, Holden, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Opel, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn and Vauxhall and has considerable amount of interest in Daewoo, Isuzu, Subaru and Suzuki.

Guy_X, the only reason why you perceive American cars to be worthless is because you have had less experience with them in your home country - but your father and grandfather probably drove one of those big yanktank's that you hate so much. Remember that firstly, South Africa is situated on the southern most tip of the African continent which is pretty much far away from the big first world automotive markets - and SA just so happens to be an extremely small market at that, compared to that of Europe, Asia and North America etc. For example, Volkswagen of South Africa's sales accounts for 0.5% of total Volkswagens sold world-wide - and last year Volkswagen sold close onto 6-million cars globally.

Also Guy_X, you also have to look at our South African history to understand why you make such ignorant comments all the time. Remember that in during the apartheid hay-day most of the big American, British, French and Italian OEM's (original equipment manufacture's) were under enormous pressure from anti-apartheid groups on their own soil. In America for instance, students were rallying for the abolishment of the South African apartheid government. Because of this political activity, OEM's such as GM, Ford, Chrysler, Renault, Peugeot & Citroen, Layland (Rover & Mini) and Fiat had no choice but to pull out of the country in the early eighties and only returned when South Africa became a free country in 1994. The German and Japanese OEM's stayed put throughout this period and hence the reason why Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes and BMW enjoy such a large chunk of the South African passenger car segment. When companies such as Renault, Citroen & Peugeot and Fiat returned to the country after 1994 they had a hard job of re-establishing themselves because an entire generation of car buyers knew very little about them. The once brand loyal consumers who remembered them were still disgruntled about the fact that when these mentioned OEM's left the country, the re-sale value of those cars dropped dramatically, genuine parts became hard to find and there was no place to take the cars to be serviced and repaired - so they had no choice but to buy German or Japanese.

A few of the exiting OEM's somehow managed to find loopholes to stay in the county for example, The Delta Motor Corporation bought the GM plant and distribution network and managed to keep the Opel and Isuzu brands alive in SA - but that is mostly because Opel is a German brand and Isuzu is a Japanese brand name that are owned by GM . None of GM's American brands were available during the most of the ‘80's and 90's.

Ford's on the other hand were being built and sold through SAMMCOR - but the only Fords that were available to us were sourced through Mazda (a Ford Motor Corporation global subsidiary) and hence the reason why cars such as the Mazda 323 and Ford Laser were exactly the same products with different badging. SA did not have a "true blue" Ford until the Focus was launched a few years back. Ford at one time in the seventies and early eighties had the lion's share of the South African car market - although most of the cars such as Cortina and Escort were sourced via England and Australia at the time and not America but mainly due to economic reasons.

Guy_X, your beloved Honda brand was introduced in SA by Mercedes Benz in the early eighties because at that time Toyota and Volkswagen were selling entry-level cars by the thousands - and Merc did not have a contender to compete in the lower segments. The answer was to strike a deal with Honda Japan to help build and sell the cars in this country but that all came to a sudden halt when Daimler merged with Chrysler and Honda was given the boot because some of Honda's products are in direct competition with that of Chrysler. People in South Africa for a long time ‘perceived' Honda to be a premium product because it was closely associated with the Mercedes Benz brand name. This is the way the Honda brand was marketed and the association between the two brands were always perceptive to the consumer. But look at it now. Honda had the painful task of setting up their own dealership network (only 17 dealerships country wide to date) and today Honda only manages to sell +- 300 cars/month (compared to the passenger car market leader, Volkswagen who borders on 4500 cars per month - told you guys it was small market). The reason for the low volumes is because the South African consumer do not know nor do they trust the new Honda dealership network. Before they would take their Hondas to a Mercedes dealership to be serviced and repaired - but not anymore. Ever wonder why we in SA do not see those sweet AMG tuned Honda Ballades anymore? - now you know why!

BTW - Guy_X, your thoughtless comments on this forum are rude, uncalled for and I'm afraid to say, extremely embarrassing. These are discussion forums that have been set up for like-minded individuals from around the world to talk about and civilly debate a commonly shared passion. You should take it easy with the insults and know-it-all comments, my friend. You might just learn something new if you do. You should come chat on the cartoday.com forum sometime, ek se. Ons sal vir jou gou in die skool sit ou pel!

Cheers all,
Dub'd

www.veedubz.co.za

Xtreme Veedubz - This is our world! You only live here.

[Nildo]

Now that is what I call a reply! This page needs more well researched and well thought out responses, and less Jap equals crap/US cars suck rhetoric. Well done, Dub'd.

Just wondering, what is the meaning of the Africaans (if it is africaans...it sounds like it to me) at the bottom of your message? Or is it a private meaning for Guy?

[jadotch]

Good reply Dub'd (even though I do think I know alittle about the outside world, I have lived in Asia for a year and a half, and visited Australia)

Yes, I agree, less of the us vrs them BS. I do prefer US cars, basically because of California smog laws, the toughest in the world, if I buy a pre 74 car, I do not need it smogged. The US is the only cars of that era with the preformance I want for the price I want. But I am considering shipping an Australian Hemi 265 to the US, and install it in an A-body Barracuda. Anyways thats off the subject.

[Egg Nog]

Originally posted by Dub'd
(I don't want to take up room quoting the whole thing)

Wow, that was a great post, one of the best I've seen on these boards. Definately worth the time it took to read it; however, something about the way that Guy_X moronically presents himself makes me doubt that he read it. Poor guy, can't even save himself...

[Nildo]

Too bad for guy, but good for us! I reckon that is the best post I have seen yet.

[guyt_x]

but all that boring history dosnt take away from the fact that the only reason americans buy american cars is cos they are cheap and most american are simple and believe what ever the media tells them.

(staan op jou kop en kak in jou poes)

[Dub'd]

nope! wrong again gai-x. The only reason that they are cheap is because they sell so many cars...(economies of scale). Try building one of those cars in SA and they won't be that cheap anymore.

What's your beef with the USA? You spend your money watching their big hollywood productions, you spend your money eating their fast-foods, you spend money on their clothing brands etc.... truth is America has gotten so far into YOUR mind that you can not live without them... take a look around you and count how many influences America has in YOUR life at this stage, including that thing called the internet that you are staring into right now - now take all that away and see how you're doing - go home tonight and watch local and British TV programs rather than the American ones with American People acting in them that was written by Americans, directed by Americans and shot in a studio in..... wait for it.....in America!! Life's just not the same without them, innit?

btw, to translate into English what Gai_X told me in that last bit: "stand on your head and shit in your cunt" ???? you're even a bigger idiot than I originally thought you were, broer. This is one of the reasons why they try to keep the internet out of reach from the stoopid folk like yourself.

Guy_X, this forum is all yours my man - I'm outta here and I doubt that I'll be coming back - so enjoy your corner on the net and don't feel too bad when the other posters on this forum do something and have you banned, ayiete.

[guyt_x]

dork'ed

[jadotch]

Originally posted by guyt_x
the only reason americans buy american cars is cos they are cheap and most american are simple and believe what ever the media tells them.

You are partly correct, I do like American cars because of there price for the performance. It allows the common person to have a pratical, high performing car, not only for the rich, but for your average joe as well. Hell if I streched my cash I could most likely afford a Corvette, or a 2003 Cobra Mustang. I cannot say that for any other cars in their class.

[ozexige]

Hey Dweeb your family's lookin' fer yu...

[HiHi_02]

Whats up with people talking trash about Asian Cars? Here in the US, people havent seen the real Asian Cars in action. Like the Skyline R-34 GTR, NSX-R, SZ Supra, Evo 7, Silvia, RX-7. Try talking trash about these cars. If tuned right these cars can blow all the other competion away!

" Racing in a straight line isnt a challenge and it doesnt take any skill to do so " <--- Thats so lame we need more tracks in the US<-- im not talking about freakin GT3 okay? Serously their is no skill in driving in a damn straight line, whoever has the faster car wins it simple as that "

" Ive seen a dumb trend here in the US, its the use of dumb and nonfunctional body parts "

" American Cars<-- They dont corner well, breaks easily, heavy, low rpms, no all wheel drive, mileage sucks, to loud, bumpy ride "

[HiHi_02]

The Fast and Furoius is a no good movie which gives a bad name to the word import racing+their wernt any asain people in that damn film besides that one asiain guy! NOS IS SHIT!! Ive noticed something....

When mention ASIANS they think RICERS, when you mention Black people they think HUGE CADILLIC TRUCKS WITH GIANT CHROME WHEELS, when they mention MEXICAN people they think Lowrider TRUCKS/OLD CARS WITH HYDRALICS, when the mention AMERICAN People we think MUSTANGS/VETTES <-- WHAT THE HELL!?!?!? Its True!

[crisis]

HiHi, you quote about Asian cars "If tuned right these cars can blow all the other competion away! ". Would that not be the case for everthing. Most of the Asian cars that are the heros of young people are "tuned".

[Nildo]

Errr, NOS is sh....what? Have you ever used it on a car? What about on a turbo instead of a water spray to cool charge air?