and thats why ferrari uses carbon ceramic composite brakes rather than the f1 brakes which are all carbon. all carbon brakes are no good unless they are very hot and you dont get brakes up to the neccesary temperature in normal road driving.
and thats why ferrari uses carbon ceramic composite brakes rather than the f1 brakes which are all carbon. all carbon brakes are no good unless they are very hot and you dont get brakes up to the neccesary temperature in normal road driving.
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they point of the carbon ceramic brakes is that you dont experience the brake fade under heavy use like you would with normal steel rotorsOriginally Posted by MrKipling
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There's no such thing as 'all carbon' brakes. They are all carbon ceramic composite discs with carbon pads, or steel rotors with carbon pads. They're made by squashing strands of carbon together at silly pressure and temperature.Originally Posted by jump15vc
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Originally Posted by Coventrysucks
I can tell that for instance the F1 gearbox is a wonderful tool for a beginner driver like myself on the track after having driven a 355 with the stick and a Stradale . Same for the brakes . No fading after 30+ laps at Fiorano .
Originally Posted by MrKipling
Well obviously if you are only going to use your car on the road , you wont need 10% of what a Ferrari is made of . On the track , the carbon brakes are amazing and they dont lack feel at all .
The F1 gearbox is crap when you are parking the car in town. Other than that, its absolutely brilliant . I love both the stick and the F1 . But for the track the F1 is just better when you are no pro .
Hmmm. Care to post any photos of your Fiorano experience?Originally Posted by amenasce
Only top press and Ferrari drivers get to drive around Fiorano - it's not a track day venue.
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F1s and other motorsports do use Carbon/Carbon brakes with Carbon pads, obviusly they are only good for one race and the use in a road car is out of the question. The road car version of thoose are the Carbon/Ceramic mix, rotors and pads also, they provide a good use at low and high temperatures and long life, praticly the life of the car.Originally Posted by MrKipling
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Well, we did have the track for us , late April .
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Unless you're a PCCB customer...Originally Posted by ruim20
I'm still not convinced that stuffing a car to the gills with electronic widgets, just because that's what your F1 team are doing, makes any sense.
How are these highly complicated electronics going to stand the test of time?
Even Microsoft stops supporting its old software - what happens in 2025 when your F430's F1 gearbox software cocks up because you drove through a puddle and the fine Italian build lived up to its' reputation?
Turn up at the Ferrari dealership - "Can you fix this please?"
Ferrari - "Ooh, sorry, we don't support that software anymore, were operating "iBox" gearbox software, not "Gearbox XP Home Edition".
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This is not a problem exclusive to supercars; it will affect every single car on sale right now. Just because the Ferrari F1 system is a high profile gadget does not mean it is more complicated than an electronic system fitted on any other car. Also there are not many people that can set up a 250 GTO engine properly, probably just as many as will be able to address software issues on a F430 in 25 years.Originally Posted by Coventrysucks
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Aaah, you're an owner - fair enough.Originally Posted by amenasce
I drove a CS a while ago and I'm not convinced by the paddleshift for anything less than full-bore shifts. A stick and pedal is so much more versatile.
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Well, even though I could probably work on a 250 V-12 for three or four years and never get the best out of it, at least I know that I could, theoretically. If the electronics on your shiny new Ferrari pack it in, you're left with no hope. Nobody understands electronics, save for the six or seven Japanese folk who engineer it all from their mountain laboratory.
It's just a changing of skill sets required to make it with cutting edge stuff. You'd have to be pretty damn carb-savvy to get six weber twin chokes singing the same note, just as you'd need to be good with a million-dollar diagnostic computer to get a modern Fezza shiftng properly. I'd take a 250 GTO and settle for it hitting on 10 cylinders and flooding the other 2 any day.
Trust me, if you had a 250 GTO you would ensure it ran perfectly...Originally Posted by LandQuail
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Ah, that's what all the electronics are for then...
They're there so that everybody can forget about the pesky business of knowing how to actually drive a car, and get on with simply standing on the throttle at every available opportunity!Originally Posted by Car & Driver
Car control, pah!
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