Illegal V8 Supercar testing

[Daz27]

Ok heres a scenario...
Brand new, freshly built, un-logged V8 supercar, in a nice virgin white colour, absolutely no logos. 10 guys, in casual clothes. They all rock up to team blue or reds test facility in theyre hertz renta truck and a few other vehicles. They could be anyone ffs. Lets just say that the new car is the car that the team in question is going to debut at Sandown, and they want to make sure that every thing is fine with it, and that new chassis tweak they made on the Cad plans will work, and that the new engine really IS the gun in a real life, non dyno scenario. Why waste a valuable test day, when thay can ust rock up at the facility, and fang around there for a few days without the prying eyes of a) the press and b) other teams.
Having rocked up there in unmarked vehicles, who is to say what is in the truck, and who the people represent... It could anyone or anything.
If a person is trying to bend or break a rule to make a gain, why oh why would they do it with equipment, vehicles and clothing that is readily identifiable. And then, seeing as theyre bending a rule or two, if not breaking them, why the hell would you bolt on a set of yokies or bridgestones to a car to test, when you dont use that product anyway in that series. If youre already being naughty and covert, why NOT use the Dunlops??? face it, they have to be CAUGHT IN THE ACT. The tyres dont go out and say hey ive done 500k's of illegal testing when they go back to japan do they. You cant proove what a tyre has done in its life regarding mileage, the variables are too great.
Its only by loose lips that team x got exposed for doing what they were doing, and even still, there is NO proof. The top teams are multi million dollar operations now, and its extremely competitive. Anywhere where there is a chance to make a gain should be looked at. Youre stupid if you don't believe that. Pure and simple.

[fpv_gtho]

Daz are you going to continue with the personal insults, or try making a credible argument for once?

For starters, teams need to book a track in order to test there. Even if the tracks already occupied by another team they cant just show up and expect to get in. Wayne Cattach is on record as being aware of these allegations. All he needs to do is get the word out to places like Queensland raceway, Phillip Island and Winton raceway, the 3 most popular testing venues and ask the administrators to keep an eye out. If the teams decide to test somewhere else, he's just got to ask all the decent tracks in the country. All thats really left after those 3 before are perhaps Mallala, AIR, Eastern Creek, Sandown and Oran Park.

Anything that gets sent back, whether its a possible breach or just somebody who wants the track to themselves, he'll send out someone to investigate.

IIRC, Team Dynamik got at least a $30K fine for simply breaching the testing regs on tyres. $30K is still $30K and once it gets exposed, who knows how much it could be in lost revenue from sponsors. Team Dynamik were only fined just over $100K all up, but how much did it cost them overall? Millions once all the sponsors walked out.

Alot of the top teams are probably smart enough to sift though all the data and figure out whats different if theyre not running the Dunlops, compared to all their race and test data. Theyre smart enough to figure out whats good data on shit tyres with a greasy track compared to green tyres on a rubbered in track.

[Daz27]

Read what Im saying dude... In the scenario I didnt say a race track anywhere, I said the company testing facility, which has huge security. A team, that is affiliated with the company needs only to make a fone call for passes.
The other point is that its a test OUTSIDE the alloted 6 days.
Clearly there is no point discussing with you buddy, youre argument is based upon the idea that Im being offensive to you personally, and not on the subject on hand.
Team Dynamik were stupid, because they used a registered car. End of story. And by memory they werent testing the car as such but working on computational fluid dynamics or some such other.
Rules are meant to be bent, so are laws. You wont win in balck and white, the skies the limit in the grey.

[halxxxx]

The improved pace at FPR since Symmons Plains is IMHO huge amount of hard work (7.30am start, most of last year 7-9pm finish) and an attitude change of the existing staff by the injection of new people who are used to winning and know whats needed to get to that point.
The illegal testing theory is just that, a theory prob started at a rear of field team who will stay rear of field without an ownership change.
"Hell we're bending the rules and still going slow, FPR must be doing something illegal"
This same crap goes on at every race meeting in the world from karts to F1

Just to clarify the testing ruled, I have been to FPR a couple of times to have a coffee and watch the guys assemble the cars and asked a young guy "who gets to drive the cars into the tranporter?" Answer was car must not move under it's own power. we push car into truck inside workshop.
I didn't see any burnout marks so he wasn't kidding.
Cheers

[2ndclasscitizen]

The improved pace at FPR since Symmons Plains is IMHO huge amount of hard work (7.30am start, most of last year 7-9pm finish) and an attitude change of the existing staff by the injection of new people who are used to winning and know whats needed to get to that point.
The illegal testing theory is just that, a theory prob started at a rear of field team who will stay rear of field without an ownership change.
"Hell we're bending the rules and still going slow, FPR must be doing something illegal"
This same crap goes on at every race meeting in the world from karts to F1

Just to clarify the testing ruled, I have been to FPR a couple of times to have a coffee and watch the guys assemble the cars and asked a young guy "who gets to drive the cars into the tranporter?" Answer was car must not move under it's own power. we push car into truck inside workshop.
I didn't see any burnout marks so he wasn't kidding.
Cheers

Not having the engines explode every 20 minutes helps as well

[Daz27]

At last, sanity prevails. as far as I understand, if the car moves even a millimetre under its own power, then it is considered as a test.