A work of pure genius! - Brilliant "Revetec" Engine

[3yearsharehold]

Well that's great as I believe the combustion engine is the future....running on hydrogen only with zero emissions.

[3yearsharehold]

If you are a young student you need to be careful of what you claim to be your own ideas. Using RVC & Coates technology obviously isn't your own creation. Pretending it is in any way is blatant plagiarism and could spell disaster for your future career and opportunities.

[hightower99]

Well that's great as I believe the combustion engine is the future....running on hydrogen only with zero emissions.

Unfortunately the only real combustion engine that is able to produce zero emissions is a fuelcell.

Internal combustion engines will always produce some amount of NOx and unburned hydrocarbons (if not from the fuel then from the lubricating oils).

Running on pure hydrogen has never really stuck me as an overly bright solution as the safest and most effective way to store hydrogen is in a hydrocarbon fuel, be it fossil oil based or plant alcohol based.

[hightower99]

If you are a young student you need to be careful of what you claim to be your own ideas. Using RVC & Coates technology obviously isn't your own creation. Pretending it is in any way is blatant plagiarism and could spell disaster for your future career and opportunities.

I never at any time claimed that in any way.

The combination is unique but it uses already patented technology (one of the reasons I didn't make this project).

As I have already stated several times that project will not happen (at least not from me).

My new design is original as far as I know (I have checked through alot of patents to check) however since I don't have a final design and no patent on the idea I am not going to talk about it much here.

[3yearsharehold]

That sounds great but you should realise how little the rings would wear out on the RVC motor. I have owned many new cars and I never need to top up the oil as the rings aren't worn until 50,000
You obviously do not understand much about hydro carbons. Authorities are not as worried about emissions as they make out to be (in my opinion)The most damage is coming from the humble farmer releasing nitrogen from the soil as they plough this we wont hear about for another 20 years.
What they're worried about is cancer from hydro carbons in dense cites. The world populaion is doubling every 30 to 50 years! have you ever been to a big city like Delhi ..the pollution is death!

[3yearsharehold]

As I have previously mentioned, Eden energy have various patents on safe hydrogen storage, including electrolysis storage, of which they have a 50/50 patent with Queensland university. They also have other methods reducing the instability of hydrogen storage, this will result in a much thinner,lighter fuel tank.

[hightower99]

That sounds great but you should realise how little the rings would wear out on the RVC motor. I have owned many new cars and I never need to top up the oil as the rings aren't worn until 50,000

Why are you talking about ring wear for the RVC??? Even with great rings there is always going to be a thin lining of oil on the cylinder walls that is going to be partially burned. The only way to stop that is to make an engine that doesn't need lubricating oil in the cylinders.

]You obviously do not understand much about hydro carbons.

How so?

Authorities are not as worried about emissions as they make out to be

Thats why governments are forcing car manufacturers to reduce the fleet emissions...

(in my opinion)The most damage is coming from the humble farmer releasing nitrogen from the soil as they plough this we wont hear about for another 20 years.

First nitrogen is dangerous unless it is in certain compunds. Second, farmers tend to want to keep alot of nitrogen compounds in the ground to help plant growth.

What they're worried about is cancer from hydro carbons in dense cites. The world populaion is doubling every 30 to 50 years! have you ever been to a big city like Delhi ..the pollution is death!

Cancer from unburned HCs....

I would think the respitory diseases caused by NOx and SOx aswell as CO. And the CO2 would be more of an issue.

The problem with unburned HCs in 3rd world countries has more to do with the state of the cars (old, not properly adjusted ect.) then the fact that they burn fossil fuels...

[revetec]

Unfortunately the only real combustion engine that is able to produce zero emissions is a fuelcell.

Well you maybe wrong there. A fuel cell is not a combustion engine for a start, and an internal combustion engine running on hydrogen may also be as low in emissions. It also depends on the manufacturing of the Hydrogen.

[revetec]

My new design is original as far as I know (I have checked through alot of patents to check)

Did you use a patent attorney? A patent has to be novel and the one you stated is far from that. It's like mixing cocacola with pepsi and trying to patent it. Sorry, but in a patent if you try and make a claim using other patented products and combining them, all the patent offices will deny the patent, well before all the litigation from those companies will occur. I doesn't stop you applying and getting a PCT but in the end it'll be wasted money. This is why the term "patent pending" doesn't really mean that much. This also doesn't stop you from making it and consuming it yourself. You just can't sell or commercialise it.

Anyway, a patent attorney can't guaranty that a patent will go through either, no matter how good the patent attorney is.

[revetec]

For Your Interests Measured in Melbourne Australia



Carbon Monoxide



TRENDS IN PEAK ONE HOUR NITROGEN DIOXIDE LEVELS, see the below table:



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ANNUAL MEAN NITROGEN DIOXODE, SELECTED CITIES, 1995



8 Hour Carbon Monoxide Levels


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[3yearsharehold]

1. Originally Posted by hightower99
Why are you talking about ring wear for the RVC??? Even with great rings there is always going to be a thin lining of oil on the cylinder walls that is going to be partially burned. The only way to stop that is to make an engine that doesn't need lubricating oil in the cylinders."

Your talking about 10 000 km 100ml = 10ml of oil per 1000km not much , still not zero though , as you said besides petroleum companies who said you need to use oil as lubricant


2. Originally Posted by hightower99
First nitrogen is dangerous unless it is in certain compunds. Second, farmers tend to want to keep alot of nitrogen compounds in the ground to help plant growth."

Farmers are releasing trillions of cubic feet of nitrogen into the atmosphere each year, most of this can be avoided using different ploughs , this is kept quiet as we all need to eat.

Coaches Buses running on fuel cells are currently carrying up to 1500lt of hydrogen stored up to 5000 psi and the cost of each is over US$3mil of course there's other types mostly very large , some with acids at temps over 1500ºF .
If fuel cells were as great as they make it out to be Eden energy wouldn't be building this http://www.edenenergy.com.au/pdfs/Me...%20Station.pdf


3. Originally Posted by hightower99
Unfortunately the only real combustion engine that is able to produce zero emissions is a fuelcell."

Originally Posted by revetec
Well you maybe wrong there. A fuel cell is not a combustion engine for a start, and an internal combustion engine running on hydrogen may also be as low in emissions. It also depends on the manufacturing of the Hydrogen."

How right you are Revetec. Australia is very lucky in this sense as we have the largest non volcanic shallow hot rocks in the world, Geothermal Energy zero emissions , making it very safe to produce hydrogen with zero emissions :-)

[3yearsharehold]

Originally Posted by 3yearsharehold post 906
As I have previously mentioned, Eden energy have various patents on safe hydrogen storage, including electrolysis storage, of which they have a 50/50 patent with Queensland university. They also have other methods reducing the instability of hydrogen storage, this will result in a much thinner,lighter fuel tank."

Sorry I did have a couple of wines , my memory working better today you can do your own research .
The 50/50 patent with Queensland university was for splitting Methane and putting it back together, when burnt it only produces solid carbon not carbon dioxide.


Revetec
I do like your Evolution of the Revetec Engine POST#896 I was the second to view it I must be spending to much time on here

[hightower99]

Well you maybe wrong there. A fuel cell is not a combustion engine for a start, and an internal combustion engine running on hydrogen may also be as low in emissions. It also depends on the manufacturing of the Hydrogen.

Fuel Cells burn hydrogen creating water as there only emission. Why wouldn't you consider them combustion engines? Also a fuel cell burns the hydrogen much more efficiently then any other type of internal combustion engine could ever hope to achieve and it doesn't need/burn oil at all because it doesn't have any big moving parts (because it makes electric energy instead of physical motion) it also will not make any NOx emissions. In the end fuel cells are more efficient and are true zero emission engines.

If you are going to compare fuel cells to hydrogen burning ICE then it doesn't matter how the hydrogen is made (as you should assume that both are being supplied the same way).

[hightower99]

Did you use a patent attorney?

No as I have stated that I don't have a final design and I don't have a patent yet

A patent has to be novel and the one you stated is far from that. It's like mixing cocacola with pepsi and trying to patent it.

As I have stated several times my design that I am now developing has nothing to do with revetec technology or CSRV tech or any other existing ICE tech. It is a totally original idea (not a combination of other ideas) and as far as I know from doing my own research it is original (although I have by no means checked every existing patent and I am sure that I will find one that somewhat resembles my design).

[hightower99]

Your talking about 10 000 km 100ml = 10ml of oil per 1000km not much , still not zero though , as you said besides petroleum companies who said you need to use oil as lubricant

You are very very very lucky if you have an engine that is only burning 10ml per 1000km! BTW how do you check that? Also what else would you use as a lubricant?

Farmers are releasing trillions of cubic feet of nitrogen into the atmosphere each year, most of this can be avoided using different ploughs , this is kept quiet as we all need to eat.

in what form is the nitrogen being released? Normal nitrogen is not harmful at all. Where are you getting your information from?

Coaches Buses running on fuel cells are currently carrying up to 1500lt of hydrogen stored up to 5000 psi and the cost of each is over US$3mil of course there's other types mostly very large , some with acids at temps over 1500ºF .
If fuel cells were as great as they make it out to be Eden energy wouldn't be building this http://www.edenenergy.com.au/pdfs/Me...%20Station.pdf

Hydrogen storage for fuel cell vehicles is no different from hydrogen storage for hydrogen burning ICEs. That article is a laugh! First a fuel cell powered vehicle would be able to refuel at a station like that and the promise to get at least 20% of vehicles to run on hydrogen based fuels by 2020 is already well surpased. 100% of ICEs run on hydrogen based fuels already!