Originally Posted by
revetec
No one quotes their worst BSFC, only their best.
actualy most info I see is averages, not peak BSFC.
Originally Posted by
revetec
Are you saying that all engine manufacturers have got it so wrong in the areas you have identified?
No I am saying that the single point is not enough to say any one thing is the main reason for the value. everything could be just right for running efficiently at 2000RPM and 450kPa load. Synergy, think synergy.
Originally Posted by
revetec
This is what I thought and conveyed this to Orbital. I was looking for a higher BMEP. They said that at any given output, the lower the figure the better.
Well that is simply not true as there is a certain BMEP that is needed to achieve any given output at any given speed for any given displacement. The calculations are simple either 4*pi*T/V if you want to calculate from torque or 2*P/(f*V) if you want to calculate from power. From this it is easy to see that output has to fall in order to get a lower BMEP. It is possible to decrease the average cylinder pressure while maintaining any given torque (just need to increase mechanical efficiency). But that will not lower the calculated BMEP value.
Originally Posted by
revetec
A lucky set up? hehehehe. You don't think after 100 years of conventional engine development that if it was a lucky set up that it would have been done before?
When I say luckey setup I mean that the synergy of all the variables (including the new bottom-end) is what allows the BSFC. A single point is not enough to confirm that the bottom-end increases efficiency.
Originally Posted by
revetec
So you don't drive on the freeway often?
I spend most of my time on roads with 80km/h speed limits on roads that aren't straight and flat for several km. I would say that the average RPM that my engine sees is somewhere over 3000RPM maybe 3500RPM. I am rarely able to cruise for more than about 1-2 minutes and then I will be cruising at about 2200-2500RPM.
Now that you have a good starting point the goal should be to increase specific power (which will also increase power density) without increasing the BSFC figures.
Edit: I just realised that there is no WOT full rev BSFC figures... I would really like to see that because there is alittle bit of that sort of info on the WWW to compare it to.
Last edited by hightower99; 04-03-2008 at 11:13 PM.
Power, whether measured as HP, PS, or KW is what accelerates cars and gets it up to top speed. Power also determines how far you take a wall when you hit it
Engine torque is an illusion.