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    I got an idea, Lets reinstate the draft

    Quote Originally Posted by CNN
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Americans would have to sign up for a new military draft after turning 18 if the incoming chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee has his way.

    New York Democratic Rep. Charles Rangel said Sunday he sees his idea as a way to deter politicians from launching wars. He believes a draft would bolster U.S. troop levels that are currently insufficient to cover potential future action in Iran, North Korea and Iraq.

    "There's no question in my mind that this president and this administration would never have invaded Iraq, especially on the flimsy evidence that was presented to the Congress, if indeed we had a draft, and members of Congress and the administration thought that their kids from their communities would be placed in harm's way," Rangel said.

    Rangel, a veteran of the Korean War who has unsuccessfully sponsored legislation on conscription in the past, said he will propose a measure early next year.

    In 2003, he proposed a draft covering people age 18 to 26. This year, he offered a plan to mandate military service for men and women between age 18 and 42. It went nowhere in the Republican-led Congress.

    Democrats will control the House and Senate come January because of their victories in the November 7 mid-term election.

    At a time when some lawmakers are urging the military to send more troops to Iraq, "I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft," said Rangel.

    He also proposed a draft in January 2003, before the U.S. invasion of Iraq.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who is a colonel in the U.S. Air Force Standby Reserve, said he agreed that the U.S. does not have enough people in the military.

    "I think we can do this with an all-voluntary service, all-voluntary Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and Navy. And if we can't, then we'll look for some other option," said Graham, who is assigned as a reserve judge to the Air Force Court of Criminal Appeals.

    Rangel and Graham appeared on "Face the Nation" on CBS.
    Polls show most Americans oppose a draft

    Rangel, the next chairman of the House tax-writing committee, said he worried the military is strained by its overseas commitments.

    "If we're going to challenge Iran and challenge North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to Iraq, we can't do that without a draft," Rangel said.

    He said having a draft would not necessarily mean everyone called to duty would have to serve. Instead, "young people (would) commit themselves to a couple of years in service to this great republic, whether it's our seaports, our airports, in schools, in hospitals," with a promise of educational benefits at the end of service.

    Graham said he believes the all-voluntary military "represents the country pretty well in terms of ethnic makeup, economic background."

    Repeated polls have shown that about seven in 10 Americans oppose reinstatement of the draft and officials say they do not expect to restart conscription.

    Outgoing Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld told Congress in June 2005 that "there isn't a chance in the world that the draft will be brought back."

    Yet the prospect of the long global fight against terrorism and the continuing U.S. commitment to stabilizing Iraq have kept the idea in the public's mind.

    The military drafted conscripts during the Civil War, both world wars and between 1948 and 1973.

    The Selective Service System, an agency independent of the Defense Department, keeps an updated registry of men age 18-25 -- now about 16 million -- from which to supply untrained draftees that would supplement the professional all-volunteer armed forces.
    IMHO This guy is an idiot. I know elections just happened but who in congress is going to have the balls to vote for his legislation?

    And he says if there was a draft then there would be no war in Iraq?
    Um What? I think that was the presidents decision, draft or no draft it was going to happen.
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    I've heard about this. Yeah, it is really dumb.

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    How would a draft help? It would only make the people hate W. even more.
    I'm dropping out to create a company that starts with motorcycles, then cars, and forty years later signs a legendary Brazilian driver who has a public and expensive feud with his French teammate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofthering
    How would a draft help? It would only make the people hate W. even more.
    It would not be up to him in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingofthering
    It would only make the people hate W. even more.
    Let's leave Wouter out of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by my porsche
    Let's leave Wouter out of this.
    George Wouter Bush?
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    Hey I'm ready to get drafted personally, I wouldn't mind spending a year or two in Iraq for my country. Although many do not support the war, I am a firm believer in supporter this country no matter what it does because at the end of the day I call it home and am proud to call it home. I would be more than willing to go. I would already be there if my parents would not have disowned me if I participated in the military or any other organization.

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    If you want to serve then serve. If you don't you don't. Simple enough. It's not like we're not having any troops. It's just that it's been lower lately because there is a war happening. No big deal. Numbers drop up and down all the time.

    And who's to say there will be a future war? Why are they so pessimistic? It's like he's itching for WWIII to happen so that his proposed draft will be useful. How stupid of him to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper007
    Hey I'm ready to get drafted personally, I wouldn't mind spending a year or two in Iraq for my country. Although many do not support the war, I am a firm believer in supporter this country no matter what it does because at the end of the day I call it home and am proud to call it home. I would be more than willing to go. I would already be there if my parents would not have disowned me if I participated in the military or any other organization.
    Then get off UCP and sign up for the mother ****ing army.

    The draft is quite possibly the most disgusting human rights violation ever. Forcing young people to go kill people and risk their life doing it?!

    If the U.S government really gave a shit about its people it'd try a little thing called "communication" (look it up in the dictionary republicans) rather than lets smoke em' out!

    And then theres the whole little guilt trip of if you refuse to get drafted or avoid it you hate your country just because you won't die for it?

    Some people are not worthy of air.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spastik_Roach
    And then theres the whole little guilt trip of if you refuse to get drafted or avoid it you hate your country just because you won't die for it?
    They were pardoned before. Lets hypothetically say that the draft is reinstated. The uprising and boycotting would be so massive they would have no other choice than to pardon them again.

    This legislation is a wast of time and a waste of tax payer dollars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viper007
    Hey I'm ready to get drafted personally, I wouldn't mind spending a year or two in Iraq for my country.
    That's the sort of spirit we need, son!

    Young men and women with no clue at all about the harsh realities of life for soldiers in Iraq queueing up to travel thousands of miles to another country to defend America from its enemies!

    Attack is the best form of defence, so they say, which is why it is important to get over to Iraq before the terrorists build up a large standing army, air force, naval assault task force, and all the tanks and what-not required for their invasion of the USA & Europe.

    The fact that the events of summer 05 & 06 in the UK shows that, actually, the terrorists live in our countries, and not Iraq, is a minor detail.

    Would you like to know more, Citizen?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viper007
    I would already be there if my parents would not have disowned me if I participated in the military or any other organization.
    That's a shame.

    I'd go too, but you know - I don't like early starts, and I'm washing my hair or left the laundry in the oven or something.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
    If a draft happens guess who's moving to the UK
    How would that help - you'd be deported back home under some Bush/Blair initiative.

    Unless it's after Tony gets sent down, in which case it'll be under a Bush/Brown initiative.
    Thanks for all the fish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coventrysucks


    How would that help - you'd be deported back home under some Bush/Blair initiative.
    Well in that case, Germany! or France!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
    Well in that case, Germany! or France!
    You'd best make sure your "I'm Canadian, honest!" cover story is good though.
    Thanks for all the fish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coventrysucks
    You'd best make sure your "I'm Canadian, honest!" cover story is good though.
    Don't worry, I have fake passports

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    If a draft happens guess who's moving to the UK

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