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    Quote Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
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    Why are they fake? Just cross the border pretend to lose you American passport, become a refugee, get a Canadian passport and move back
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    LOL.
    What about good ol' Nederland?

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    I understand his reasoning for wanting to introduce a draft but it's quite honestly NEVER going to work the way he envisions. More likely if there was a draft the US would invade MORE because they'd have a steady stream of new recruits.

    that a Draft is even being discussed is proof of the unjustifiable nature, and the public backlash, that this war has created.

    I support Australian troops in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. but I don't back the government, and I don't back the reasoning behind the war.

    If the the Draft comes into Australia i will be moving. Going to war for your country should be a choice the individual makes, not the government making their mind up for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows
    If the the Draft comes into Australia i will be moving.
    Don't worry about it mate, conscription/National Service/the Draft ain't coming to this country any time soon. Australians historically have been opposed to conscription, 2 referendums in the First World War failed, and it was not introduced during even the darkest days of the Second World War, with the Japanese advancing towards Port Moresby and not much between them and mainland Australia. The period of National Service between the fifties and ending in 1972 with the election of the Whitlam Government has left a scar that will take a long while to heal. I have friends who did "Nasho", and while none of them hated it, none of them miss it either. As a former serving member of armed forces, I can also tell you that most volunteers have little or no desire to serve with conscripts (despite the fact that the Nashos aquitted themselves with honour in conflicts in which they served), as we would not want people beside us who don't really want to be serving with us. Additionally, it would be electoral suicide for any Australian Government.
    As an aside, has anyone noticed that this idea came from a Democratic member of congress?...that's right, the American party of the centre left raising the issue of conscription. You can't pin this one on George W.
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    Thank goodness we're not as screwed up as i gave us credit for.

    it's interesting it is a democrat bringing up this issue - perhaps they see it as a solution to the war?

    Yes....Throw more people at the problem. It worked for the Russians in WW2.........
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    Listen. Canada is a large country. The solution to all the world's problems is to move EVERYONE into the three northern territories in Canada: Yukon, Northwest Territiroes, and Nunavut. THEN, the guns they have to kill each other won't work cuz it's too ****ing cold! The entire earth would have to work together just to survive! I mean, holy shit! It is goddamned cold even here! Up there it is like Margaret Thatcher is rubbing you all over with her freezing hands of death 24/7! That's GOTTA make people work together

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    Quote Originally Posted by baddabang
    IMHO This guy is an idiot. I know elections just happened but who in congress is going to have the balls to vote for his legislation?

    And he says if there was a draft then there would be no war in Iraq?
    Um What? I think that was the presidents decision, draft or no draft it was going to happen.

    Rangel's not an idiot, he's attempting (for the second time, the first was in 2003 BEFORE the US invaded Iraq) to get the country engaged in a dialogue of who in our country is commited to military service and why. Frankly, I'd like to see compulsory civil service... meaning nobody gets a pass because of wealth, family or political connections. It might remind us what sacrifices are needed to maintain a just society.

    Bringing civics back into the required school curiculum sure would help too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csl177
    Rangel's not an idiot, he's attempting (for the second time, the first was in 2003 BEFORE the US invaded Iraq) to get the country engaged in a dialogue of who in our country is commited to military service and why. Frankly, I'd like to see compulsory civil service... meaning nobody gets a pass because of wealth, family or political connections. It might remind us what sacrifices are needed to maintain a just society.

    Bringing civics back into the required school curiculum sure would help too.
    That is a very balanced contribution, probably you and I are of an age that made us do the mandatory military service...and many of the american members of this forum are still in the draft applicable age group...
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    Quote Originally Posted by henk4
    That is a very balanced contribution, probably you and I are of an age that made us do the mandatory military service...and many of the american members of this forum are still in the draft applicable age group...
    You're probably right... us not-so-oldsters are (and were) very aware of the consequenses of our government's actions. Our parent's generation even more so. It's hard to imagine today's generation taking time to engage in the dull workings of government. But the possibilty of being sent to some far-off
    place in a questionable military excercize can certainly pique one's interest.

    These are our kids, though... so it's partly our fault they don't pay attention to anything other than the release of a new product, celebrity, or other. In a world of almost constant distraction commercial or otherwise, how can that condition be changed for the better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by csl177
    You're probably right... us not-so-oldsters are (and were) very aware of the consequenses of our government's actions. Our parent's generation even more so. It's hard to imagine today's generation taking time to engage in the dull workings of government. But the possibilty of being sent to some far-off
    place in a questionable military excercize can certainly pique one's interest.

    These are our kids, though... so it's partly our fault they don't pay attention to anything other than the release of a new product, celebrity, or other. In a world of almost constant distraction commercial or otherwise, how can that condition be changed for the better?
    Well, living in a country with far less military pedigree than the USA it is difficult to say for me. We abolished the draft in the early nineties, and then reduced the size of our armed forces considerably. The more technologically advanced parts are good training grounds for specialised professions and usually a professional stint is a about 4-6 years and we don't have a large stock of ground troops any more.
    One of the things, of which I am not certain though, is that the US armed forces is a sanctuary for those who find it difficult to operate in the civil society, which may coincide with a lesser quality of the forces too. I know I have to choose my words very carefully here, but probably a nationwide draft policy without discrimination of the "rich and famous or other well-to-do citizens" may create a more representative and better quality armed forces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by henk4
    Well, living in a country with far less military pedigree than the USA it is difficult to say for me. We abolished the draft in the early nineties, and then reduced the size of our armed forces considerably. The more technologically advanced parts are good training grounds for specialised professions and usually a professional stint is a about 4-6 years and we don't have a large stock of ground troops any more.
    One of the things, of which I am not certain though, is that the US armed forces is a sanctuary for those who find it difficult to operate in the civil society, which may coincide with a lesser quality of the forces too. I know I have to choose my words very carefully here, but probably a nationwide draft policy without discrimination of the "rich and famous or other well-to-do citizens" may create a more representative and better quality armed forces.
    Military conscription in the United States ended in 1973.

    The volunteer military does indeed provide financial incentives and training to those that would otherwise not be able to afford it, which is Mr. Rangel's point. The carrot of a college education is held out but the stick is the possibility of being commited to armed conflict somewhere. For many in America's underclasses, there is unfortunately no alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by csl177
    Military conscription in the United States ended in 1973.
    I checked again and the last group of draftees came into the Dutch army in March 1996...
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