Saddam's lawyer

[henk4]

Of course I agree with that, but I don't think that justifies turning everything I see into some kind of anti-American propaganda. Don't justify tainted views, lest your own becomes the same.

i did not suggest to agree with his views, but I was trying to explain how they might have originated It is often more important not to know what somebody thinks but more why he has those opinions

[my porsche]

Drakkie...pretty respected member

bahahaha

Have you not noticed that almost everything he has posted lately is anti-US oriented material?

[Matt]

i did not suggest to agree with his views, but I was trying to explain how they might have originated It is often more important not to know what somebody thinks but more why he has those opinions

And my original post was to express my opinion that his opinions were tainted, per his opinion that everything must relate back to the American government's inadequacies and incompetencies. Criticizing America is "cool" right now. Drakkie is a poser. For no other reason does he post such things. If he were to ever demonstrate a true and proper understanding, then back up his beliefs with fact and logic, I may think differently. Drakkie is one of those people, mostly young and still dumb, who reads just the bare minimum on a subject and thinks that is enough to form an opinion. I see it all the time in class and I hear it all the time everywhere. Young Americans seem to be some of the worst at it, admittedly. If Drakkie is as un-American as he seems, then I would think he would spend every bit of energy he has not acting like a young dumb American. Right now, he is.

[Matt]

bahahaha

Have you not noticed that almost everything he has posted lately is anti-US oriented material?

That isn't what has damaged the level of respect the rest of us have for him.

[my porsche]

That isn't what has damaged the level of respect the rest of us have for him.

To me, at least it's his amazing mastery of anything and everything, or his halleucinations of that anyway.

[Rockefella]

I started reading Drakkie's opening post to this thread and was waiting for something like "but we all know how America this and that..". Yep, I was right. FFS Drakkie, I'm not a fan of my nation's wartime agenda, but, c'mon!

[Coventrysucks]

This is an interesting thread.

I do find it quite curious that the only people so-far moved to express their irritation at the "anti-Americanism" appear to be from the North American continent...

I'm sure you'd be just as vocal if he were being anti-Iclandic too, though. Really.

Anyway - the entire world hates America - didn't you know?

And despite all of the good things that come from your country, people are more inclined to remember that time you offended their religion/race by with some vile injustice, than all those excellent episodes of Friends, or "coca-cola"*.

A man can only take so many snide comments about clogs and windmills, and ignorance of his above-average stature before he goes on the offensive!

Seeing as how most of the negative opinion of the USA is caused by idiots from your country - FDR, Bush, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Lindsay England - you get the picture, why not do something about them, rather than complaining about idiots from other countries who were complaining about your idiots in the first place?

* Although, I count both of those as a "vile injustice" - which just goes to show that you can't win.

[Mr.Tiv]

This is an interesting thread.

I do find it quite curious that the only people so-far moved to express their irritation at the "anti-Americanism" appear to be from the North American continent...

I'm sure you'd be just as vocal if he were being anti-Iclandic too, though. Really.

Anyway - the entire world hates America - didn't you know?

And despite all of the good things that come from your country, people are more inclined to remember that time you offended their religion/race by with some vile injustice, than all those excellent episodes of Friends, or "coca-cola"*.

A man can only take so many snide comments about clogs and windmills, and ignorance of his above-average stature before he goes on the offensive!

Seeing as how most of the negative opinion of the USA is caused by idiots from your country - FDR, Bush, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Lindsay England - you get the picture, why not do something about them, rather than complaining about idiots from other countries who were complaining about your idiots in the first place?

Most people, no matter how much they disagree with the administration in power, will not take kindly to seemingly blind disdain for the nation from which they hail. Would you be suprised if a member made anti-semetic remarks and the most offended people were Jewish?

I have to say Matt has pretty much covered why this is so irritating, so I won't bother to repeat him. I will readily agree that America has produced her fair share of morons, but any country as populous as the US would-why judge all of us and the country we call home based on a few idiots and some absolutely horrible mistakes.

[ruim20]

Why not say that USA has a "lying, vicious, capable of doing anything to get what they want" goverment? Isn't that what they've show us for so many years? Why the hell should we keep quiet and shut up about it?

I'm scared that one day my little country has something the US needs, and we all know what would happen! i bet we would somehow grow "weapons of mass destruction" in hour back yards or something!

How dare you defend that kind of politic! It's imoral! people die, three thousand of your one died away from home, doing something that not even them understood, even i know my goverment is croked and lies all the time, somtimes what i see on the news or read in the paper makes me ashame to live here. I don't understand how can you still be supporting such a lie and infamy to the hole world. It thrully sadens me.

[Coventrysucks]

Most people, no matter how much they disagree with the administration in power, will not take kindly to seemingly blind disdain for the nation from which they hail.

Only because "most people" are incomprehensibly moronic.

What does it matter to you if someone doesn't like your country? Do government agents come to your house and beat you every time a foreign national complains about foreign policy?

Quick! Defend the honour of the millions of people you don't know against the other millions of people you don't know but who are the other side of an arbitrarily-devised, imaginary-line!

That's here. That's home. That's us. On it, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever lived, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there on a mote of dust, suspended in a sunbeam.

The earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and in triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish that pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.

[Rockefella]

This is an interesting thread.

I do find it quite curious that the only people so-far moved to express their irritation at the "anti-Americanism" appear to be from the North American continent...

I'm sure you'd be just as vocal if he were being anti-Iclandic too, though. Really.

Anyway - the entire world hates America - didn't you know?

And despite all of the good things that come from your country, people are more inclined to remember that time you offended their religion/race by with some vile injustice, than all those excellent episodes of Friends, or "coca-cola"*.

A man can only take so many snide comments about clogs and windmills, and ignorance of his above-average stature before he goes on the offensive!

Seeing as how most of the negative opinion of the USA is caused by idiots from your country - FDR, Bush, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Lindsay England - you get the picture, why not do something about them, rather than complaining about idiots from other countries who were complaining about your idiots in the first place?

* Although, I count both of those as a "vile injustice" - which just goes to show that you can't win.

Sure, it seems like we're screaming bloody murder because we're freedom loving, obese, Bush-lovers, not. I'll be the first one to say that I dislike Bush's reign, and that I'm against the Republican demeanor. But my only qualm is people like Drakkie who post threads like this with the blatant purpose of riling up conflict.

In another point you brought up:

Seeing as how most of the negative opinion of the USA is caused by idiots from your country - FDR, Bush, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Lindsay England - you get the picture, why not do something about them, rather than complaining about idiots from other countries who were complaining about your idiots in the first place?

What the hell are lowly citizens like myself, Matt, or Mr. Tiv supposed to do? Assassinate them? They get bashed in the media, we bash 'em on the internet, hell, we hate them. It's practically impossible for a young guy like myself to do anything about it.

[Matt]

Only because "most people" are incomprehensibly moronic.

I think you missed the "blind disdain" part of his statement. Morons would not have a problem with blind disdain. Intelligent, logical and fair people would have a problem with blind disdain regardless of what subject said blind disdain happens to be directed.

[Matt]

Why not say that USA has a "lying, vicious, capable of doing anything to get what they want" goverment? Isn't that what they've show us for so many years? Why the hell should we keep quiet and shut up about it?

I'm scared that one day my little country has something the US needs, and we all know what would happen! i bet we would somehow grow "weapons of mass destruction" in hour back yards or something!

How dare you defend that kind of politic! It's imoral! people die, three thousand of your one died away from home, doing something that not even them understood, even i know my goverment is croked and lies all the time, somtimes what i see on the news or read in the paper makes me ashame to live here. I don't understand how can you still be supporting such a lie and infamy to the hole world. It thrully sadens me.

How dare you misinterpret and twist the statements in this thread! It's immoral (notice the correct spelling)!

No one here is defending the actions of the administration. We are saying that anti-Americanism because of what an administration temporarily in power is doing is unfair and wrong. Keep in mind that only 51% of this country voted into office the current administration. Keep in mind that in the last Congressional election the electorate overwhelmingly rebuffed the policies of the administration. Please, think before you post and try for a tiny second to figure out where previous posters are coming from before you fly off the handle.

[Matt]

Seeing as how most of the negative opinion of the USA is caused by idiots from your country - FDR, Bush, Tom Cruise, Britney Spears, Lindsay England - you get the picture, why not do something about them, rather than complaining about idiots from other countries who were complaining about your idiots in the first place?

Can you personally do anything about the negative press that comes from your country? Can you control the mass population of your country? I didn't think so. Don't expect us to, either.

[Mr.Tiv]

There is nothing more to say except that, once again, Matt has said precisely what I wanted to, just a good deal more concisely than I would have.