Step 1: Find Miata.

[McReis]

Maybe you forgot to read this bit...............

"Weight balance is essentially the same as a stock Miata"

Read properly and think before you write something down.

[Ferrer]

Well, the differences between Americans and most of the people in the world, is this:

USA - FAST CAR = BIG ENGINE = COOL
WORLD - FAST CAR = GOOD DRIVER = COOL

Many parts of the world have this sub-consciousness of not relying on "given resources" to do something great, limiting resources in pursuing efficiency, productivity to achieve the same results. Look at Japanese comic book heroes, sleeps in classes, stupid, selling tofus, poor student, knew nothing bout cars even if they drift like god, shy, skinny, short, there is always something lousy bout the heroes. In most US comics, i bet that's a rich boy, with caring parents, big underground vaults for all his gadgets, and perhaps a professor staying with him, supplying him all these without reasons, oh, huge and strong biceps.

I believe this is the fundamental reason you guys cant understand why we cherish hp/liter, and you guys would just increase the bore, stroke, achieve huge torques with lazy rpms and slow down the earth's rotation while you accelerate. Although the results were pretty much the same. There is just something not cool about given more resources, it's like given the upperhand before everything even starts, although its the results that matter.

Erm, no. Basically Anerican engines and European engines are different because of the different criteria they had to meet when designed. Europeans have expensive fuel and taxes, and their cars are small and light, so there's no point in having big engines. On the other hand americans have cheap fuel and a lot of space, so they favoured big cars, which needed a lot of power to move. That it turn gave them the solution, increase the size, which meant they had available cheap and easy power. When we want power we don't want to spend a lot of money on fuel or taxes, which is why we found other ways of achieving more perfomance, other than incresing the size of the engine. Similar results can be achieved, just in different ways.

[Ingolstadt]

Erm, no. Basically Anerican engines and European engines are different because of the different criteria they had to meet when designed. Europeans have expensive fuel and taxes, and their cars are small and light, so there's no point in having big engines. On the other hand americans have cheap fuel and a lot of space, so they favoured big cars, which needed a lot of power to move. That it turn gave them the solution, increase the size, which meant they had available cheap and easy power. When we want power we don't want to spend a lot of money on fuel or taxes, which is why we found other ways of achieving more perfomance, other than incresing the size of the engine. Similar results can be achieved, just in different ways.

Well, thats a very friendly, un-provocative way of telling it. That's why therd hp/liter as pointless as what they're looking at is the results.

[Slicks]

what about the additional weight that will be required to accomodate the additional horsepower. Clutch, Gearbox, Driveshafts, dif, rear axle, suspension parts, brakes......or would you leave everything as standard????

He said the LS2/t56 combo was lighter. That includes the clutch, and gear box.
Pretty sure hes useing a ford 9" rear end, which isnt really heavy. And it doesnt say anything about the suspension or brakes.

[Slicks]

I fail to see the logic behind your conclusion but maybe you could help us a little by providing a definition of a "european car fanboy"

Someone who is a fanboy for Euorpean cars, whats so hard to understand? They would pick the car over another simply because its European, or wears a certain badge.

[Slicks]

That's no surprise. You have this strange unwavering belief that LSx are light (which is true) but so amazing light that they are as or nearly as light as any other engine, including tiny 1.6/1.8/2.9 aluminium engines built for a light weight sportscar (untrue)

Can you, or anyone else find the weight of a stock miata engine? The LS2 is 390lbs, and with headers, and a lightweight clutch and flywheel would be under 350lbs.

[Matra et Alpine]

Someone who is a fanboy for Euorpean cars, whats so hard to understand? They would pick the car over another simply because its European, or wears a certain badge.

:repeat:
and yet we're discussing a JAPANESE car

[henk4]

:repeat:
and yet we're discussing a JAPANESE car

me gapenese fenboy...

[Matra et Alpine]

me gapenese fenboy...

oooh racist stereotyping. Ban yourself, delete all your posts and stand in the corner.

[Slicks]

Well, the differences between Americans and most of the people in the world, is this:

USA - FAST CAR = BIG ENGINE = COOL
WORLD - FAST CAR = GOOD DRIVER = COOL

I guess you didnt take into consideration that there are parts of the world that tax displacement, like Japan.

Many parts of the world have this sub-consciousness of not relying on "given resources" to do something great, limiting resources in pursuing efficiency, productivity to achieve the same results. Look at Japanese comic book heroes, sleeps in classes, stupid, selling tofus, poor student, knew nothing bout cars even if they drift like god, shy, skinny, short, there is always something lousy bout the heroes. In most US comics, i bet that's a rich boy, with caring parents, big underground vaults for all his gadgets, and perhaps a professor staying with him, supplying him all these without reasons, oh, huge and strong biceps.

I believe this is the fundamental reason you guys cant understand why we cherish hp/liter, and you guys would just increase the bore, stroke, achieve huge torques with lazy rpms and slow down the earth's rotation while you accelerate. Although the results were pretty much the same. There is just something not cool about given more resources, it's like given the upperhand before everything even starts, although its the results that matter.

No, we understand hp/l, we dont use it because its useless in comparing cars. Peak hp shows very little(your car accelerates on the torque curve exactly), and displacement shows nothing. We like real world things like weight and physical size.
Say your building a kit car, and your looking for a performance engine. You have two choices, engine A, 300hp 3L weighing 500lbs, or a 300hp 5L weighing 400lbs. The 5L is physically smaller as well.
Can you see how hp/l is irrelevant?

[Slicks]

which might help to explain why the traffic mortality rate in the USA is about three times the one in Holland....

Or maybe the fact the US is more than three times bigger, with different traffic laws...

[Slicks]

:repeat:
and yet we're discussing a JAPANESE car

:repeat:
And the ones who are against this swap, and crying, are the european fanboys. They dont like it because they -believe- that it ruins the car, but it really doesnt when you will actually look at the facts.

[Matra et Alpine]

Say your building a kit car, and your looking for a performance engine. You have two choices, engine A, 300hp 3L weighing 500lbs, or a 300hp 5L weighing 400lbs. The 5L is physically smaller as well.
Can you see how hp/l is irrelevant?

Or a 3l V6 PRV engine at 150kg ( 330 pounds ) that delivers 280hp and 35mpg
We DO need to get a simple pointer to the post to remind all that hp/l is a measure of efficiency useful to an engineer but not a direct correlation to any POWER/SPEED comparisons

[henk4]

Or maybe the fact the US is more than three times bigger, with different traffic laws...

In fact the USA is much more than three times bigger, which makes the chance of hitting somebody even smaller....(got any idea of geography??)

[Matra et Alpine]

:repeat:
And the ones who are against this swap, and crying, are the european fanboys. They dont like it because they -believe- that it ruins the car, but it really doesnt when you will actually look at the facts.

But you forget that it was a car made for a market in Japan, Europe and US and has sold VERY VERY well.
Nobody is crying -- well ok I have with laighter at a few posts
BTW you've not acutally put up any FACTS that it makes for a better car other than possibly as a dragster !!!