I'm not surprised, Ford goes down to 4th in car sales.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16925346/
There's also info on the other major manufacturers also.
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I'm not surprised, Ford goes down to 4th in car sales.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16925346/
There's also info on the other major manufacturers also.
Last edited by NSXType-R; 02-01-2007 at 06:49 PM.
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Go Jap cars!
I honestly havent seen anything impressive come from the big US car makers for quite some time. 300C was the "best" thing to come over of late and its being outsold easily by aussie Fairlanes and Caprice (ironically owned by Ford and GM respectively)
What can you do though? Japan does it cheaper, better looking and better quality. Step up already Ford and GM.
The Datto will rage again...
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Yeah, go away!Originally Posted by Blue Supra
Go Jap cars!.
I prefer classic cars, but I do like the current Lincoln Town Car L series. This is the one which has a 6" longer wheelbase and a very roomy rear seat.I honestly havent seen anything impressive come from the big US car makers for quite some time. 300C was the "best" thing to come over of late and its being outsold easily by aussie Fairlanes and Caprice (ironically owned by Ford and GM respectively)
"Cheap" is right. Plastic is used on everything but the tires and those will probably be the next things to be plastic. Better looking? Well, I guess so, if you consider egg- or blob-shaped cars good looking!What can you do though? Japan does it cheaper, better looking and better quality. Step up already Ford and GM.And you're right about better quality- the plastic is really great quality! Much better than the steel on my Cadillacs...
'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
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must be why GM and Chrysler use it so much
Andreas Preuninger, Manager of Porsche High Performance Cars: "Grandmas can use paddles. They aren't challenging."
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The cars from Japan use just as much, if not more.
'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
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Great, now we have a who uses more plastic argument going, this is pretty lame.
Furniture
no. whens the last time you sat in a jap car? shits all over anything chrysler and GM have for an interior, bar their local products here. hell, the 300C is nothing but plastic from the inside of a wheelie bin
US brands can make good engines when they put their mind to it, but cars...lol
Andreas Preuninger, Manager of Porsche High Performance Cars: "Grandmas can use paddles. They aren't challenging."
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You're not making a lot of sense considering you're in favor of American cars.
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I already said that one reason I like '50s and '60s American cars is because plastic was at a minimum back then.
'76 Cadillac Fleetwood Seventy-Five Limousine, '95 Lincoln Town Car.
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Replace Fairlane with Statesman. Ford can hardly shift Fairlanes these days.Go Jap cars!
I honestly havent seen anything impressive come from the big US car makers for quite some time. 300C was the "best" thing to come over of late and its being outsold easily by aussie Fairlanes and Caprice (ironically owned by Ford and GM respectively)
What can you do though? Japan does it cheaper, better looking and better quality. Step up already Ford and GM.
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
– Hunter Thompson
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And that Chrysler is just a Merc with some american hardware pun into it...
Lack of charisma can be fatal.
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Look to my brief feud with Matt on the New Chevy Malibu forum.
http://www.ultimatecarpage.com/forum...t=30460&page=2
Matt got me on the improvements to Cadillac, and arguably the Lincoln LS (A rather boring-looking car sharing a platform with the Jag S Type.)
Last edited by LandQuail; 02-01-2007 at 08:51 PM.
I'm erudite ;-)
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I saw an interesting video on the interior of the Lincoln MKX a while back. The designers want to use better quality materials but management won't let them. If they use a more expensive material in one place, they have to use cheap stuff somewhere else (more expensive materials being those that don't feel like garbage bin plastic) It's pathetic. Can't they look for profit elsewhere?
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That's the catch isn't it? Management won't let them use more expensive materials to make more profit, but if they did, they could sell them for more (and probably be accpeted in Europe and sell cars there) and make more money.
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
– Hunter Thompson
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Yeah, I'd rather ditch the plastic myself. I've seen what people call "good" plastics in cars these days, but...it's so obviously plastic it's a real detractor. Plastic can be made strong, sure (take a look at my Nalgene water bottle - it'll stop a .22 cold at 15 yards), but there's nothing luxurious or rich about it. And besides which...I haven't seen strong plastic in a vehicle yet. Nearly verything that broke on the interior of our Toyota Sienna, VW Passat, Dodge Caravan (the least reliable mechanically, but the most reliable otherwise), Ford Bronco, Dodge Ram Van, and especially VW New Beetle was obviously or traced back to plastic. Wonder why it hasn't won me over, either?
Anyhow, I am actually surprised that Ford's slipping. I really thought Ford has had the best overall lineup of vehicles out of the Big Three, and those most able to compete tit-for-tat with the favoured import marques. Must be something I'm missing.
Now, on an individual basis, I think Chrysler has two of the best cars out there with the 300c and the Magnum (not really a fan of the Charger or the Ram). The MDS is pretty silly, IMHO, so it wouldn't break my heart if they ditched that. Cad's V8-6-4 still leaves a bad taste in my mouth (sorry Fleet...not Cad's best moment)
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