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Thread: UCP Supercar II

  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by fpv_gtho
    Thanks. I'll keep working at it, trying to make it not look so "basic", but i think its going to take CAD until it starts looking professional.
    your ideas are progressing well. Keep at it. Multi link is a good idea but is a very different method. You can achieve the relative compactness of multi-link (the rx-8) has multi link so maybe hes biased...kidding ) using an "in wheel" design like the s2000:



    just some ideas, not really sure what you can make of this..
    edit: come to think of it the rx8 has doublewishbones and multilink
    Last edited by jediali; 02-10-2007 at 03:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fpv_gtho
    Heres an attempt at a 3 sided view for the suspension. As it stands, its become a 5 link setup. Still to integrate anti roll bars etc.
    Are you sure you don't want to stick with something like a simple unequal length double A arm?
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    Ok heres a revised design with Matra's suggestion.

    Also, ive taken the liberty to track down some "rival" GT dimensions, in a hope it'll help us decide the dimensions of our car and kick start some other areas.

    Vanquish S:

    Length: 4665 mm
    Width: 1923 mm
    Height: 1318 mm
    Kerb weight: 1875 kgs
    Wheelbase: 2690 mm
    Boot space: 0.24 cu. m
    Fuel tank capacity: 80 litres

    Continental GT

    Kerbweight 2385kg 5258 Ib
    Gross Vehicle Weight 2800kg 6170 Ib
    Boot Volume 370L 0.37m³ / (13.1 cu.ft)
    Fuel Tank Capacity 90L 19.8 Gallons / 23.8 US Gallons
    Overall Length 4804mm 189.13 in
    Width across body 1916mm 75.43 in
    Width across mirrors 2102mm 82.76 in
    Height 1390mm 54.72 in
    Wheel Base 2745mm 108.07 in
    Turning Circle (kerb to kerb) 11200mm 440.94 in
    Front Leg-room 1075mm 42.32 in
    Rear Leg-room 766mm 30.16 in

    612 Scaglietti

    Overal Length 193 in
    Overall width 77 in
    Height 52.9 in
    Wheelbase 116.1 in
    Front track 66.5 in
    Rear track 64.6
    Dry weight 3803 lbs
    Kerb weight 4056 lbs
    Fuel capacity 23.7 gal (28.5 US gal)

    M6 coupe

    Kerb weight 1785kg
    Overal Length 4871mm
    Wheelbase 2871mm
    Front track 1587mm
    Rear track 1584mm
    Height 1372mm

    CL55 AMG

    Wheelbase (mm) 2885
    Length (mm) 4993

    Width (mm) 1857
    Height (mm) 1398
    Kerb weight (kg) 1920
    Permissible gross weight (kg) 2420
    Fuel tank capacity (l) 88
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    Quote Originally Posted by jediali
    your ideas are progressing well. Keep at it. Multi link is a good idea but is a very different method. You can achieve the relative compactness of multi-link (the rx-8) has multi link so maybe hes biased...kidding ) using an "in wheel" design like the s2000:



    just some ideas, not really sure what you can make of this..
    edit: come to think of it the rx8 has doublewishbones and multilink
    I'll be looking at wishbones for the front probably, as well as a forward mounted steering rack but thanks for the pictures.

    Quote Originally Posted by hightower99
    Are you sure you don't want to stick with something like a simple unequal length double A arm?
    Well ive had my mind set on the longitudinal links, but i also figured the multilinks would be lighter than an A/H arm setup. I guess its also not too hard to go to A/H arms at this stage either.
    Last edited by fpv_gtho; 02-10-2007 at 04:33 AM.
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    I have the perfect way to come up with a full team.

    HOW TO PROPERLY PLACE NEW EMPLOYEES

    1. Put 400 bricks in a closed room.

    2. Put your new hires in the room and close the door.

    3. Leave them alone and come back after 6 hours.

    4. Then analyze the situation:


    a. If they are counting the bricks, put them in the Accounting Department.

    b. If they are recounting them, put them in Auditing.

    c. If they have messed up the whole place with the bricks, put them in Engineering.

    d. If they are arranging the bricks in some strange order, put them in Planning.

    e. If they are throwing the bricks at each other, put them in Operations.

    f. If they are sleeping, put them in Security.

    g. If they have broken the bricks into pieces, put them in Information Technology.

    h. If they are sitting idle, put them in Human Resources.

    i. If they say they have tried different combinations, they are looking for more, yet not a brick has been moved, put them in Sales.

    j. If they have already left for the day, put them in Marketing.

    k. If they are staring out of the window, put them in Strategic Planning.

    l. If they are talking to each other, and not a single brick has been >moved, congratulate them and put them in Top Management .

    Finally, if they have surrounded themselves with bricks in such a way that they can neither be seen nor heard from, put them in Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aNOBLEman
    I have the perfect way to come up with a full team.

    HOW TO PROPERLY PLACE NEW EMPLOYEES

    1. Put 400 bricks in a closed room.

    2. Put your new hires in the room and close the door.

    3. Leave them alone and come back after 6 hours.

    4. Then analyze the situation:


    a. If they are counting the bricks, put them in the Accounting Department.

    b. If they are recounting them, put them in Auditing.

    c. If they have messed up the whole place with the bricks, put them in Engineering.

    d. If they are arranging the bricks in some strange order, put them in Planning.

    e. If they are throwing the bricks at each other, put them in Operations.

    f. If they are sleeping, put them in Security.

    g. If they have broken the bricks into pieces, put them in Information Technology.

    h. If they are sitting idle, put them in Human Resources.

    i. If they say they have tried different combinations, they are looking for more, yet not a brick has been moved, put them in Sales.

    j. If they have already left for the day, put them in Marketing.

    k. If they are staring out of the window, put them in Strategic Planning.

    l. If they are talking to each other, and not a single brick has been >moved, congratulate them and put them in Top Management .

    Finally, if they have surrounded themselves with bricks in such a way that they can neither be seen nor heard from, put them in Congress.

    My dad sent it to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jediali
    your ideas are progressing well. Keep at it. Multi link is a good idea but is a very different method. You can achieve the relative compactness of multi-link (the rx-8) has multi link so maybe hes biased...kidding ) using an "in wheel" design like the s2000:



    just some ideas, not really sure what you can make of this..
    edit: come to think of it the rx8 has doublewishbones and multilink
    if you get me high q pictures of that spring setup I can begin creating a working 3d image.
    "Horsepower sells motor cars, but torque wins motor races."
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    well thats about as detailed as i can find on the open web. anyone else got pics? It would be good for the suspension to actually work! It would be a shame to just plain copy someone elses design. I dont intend my contribution to go along those lines
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    Did a montage of a skemathic found on another post just to get a view, what do you guys think? Changes?
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    RWD? i still like all. but id take rear over front, but you guys can figure that out, just so you know id like to know soon, so i can start designing a little, front engine, mid or rear?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ruim20 View Post
    Did a montage of a skemathic found on another post just to get a view, what do you guys think? Changes?
    turn the engine around

    EDIT: Also ..... don't need that much leg room in the rear.
    It's a GT not a Maybach
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    i agree

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    Yes, basically rear seats have to be much smaller, other than that a good start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ruim20 View Post
    Did a montage of a skemathic found on another post just to get a view, what do you guys think? Changes?
    The wheelbase looks to be much too big.

    The occupants are too low and too laid back - driving the cabin length up, and therefore the wheelbase.

    The windscreen is too far forward, too shallow, and it is also curved, so it is a big lens.

    The guy in the back doesn't need a steering wheel either.

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    i feel ignored... noone answered my question...

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