View Poll Results: What basic design should we go for?

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Thread: UCP Supercar II: Engine Department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Care to explain why ?
    What crank shapre and firing order are you presuming ?

    All else equal why has
    \_/ got more weight located lower than --- ?

    Why what make more specific questions?

    I will guess that you want me to explain why I think a V12 is better balanced than a flat 6...

    Well to start off a V12 has perfect primary and secondary balance and because it has 12 cylinders and the cylinder bank angle is normally 60 deg. Then it is smoother than an inline 6 delivering power pulses twice as often. Not to mention the fact that the crank see a constant torque output as opposed to seeing both a torque output and input.

    Flat 6s are indeed very balanced and are balanced in primary and secondary balance. But because it has half the cylinders it wont be as smooth. The crank on a flat 6 see both torque input and output.

    About the other question you asked:
    Well think like this: the flat engine can't be mounted too low or the pistons will be too close to the ground. With a V engine the pistons are aimed up so you can mount the crankcase slightly lower (it isn't enough to give a V engine a lower CoG but it does reduce the advantage that Flat engines have) I didn't mean to say that more weight is mounted lower with a V (as you would assume that that meant a V engine has a lower CoG) I meant that the heavy parts of a V engine are mounted somewhat lower meaning that the difference in the heights of the CoGs isn't as much as you would think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    This one seems to manage
    the s2000 gets close too
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickHolden View Post
    The ESP will save it Rare to have a 50/50 weighted front mounted engine car
    (nearly) every BMW??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    This one seems to manage
    Not a real sedan
    Quote Originally Posted by derekthetree View Post
    (nearly) every BMW??
    But not all lol.
    "Just a matter of time i suppose"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickHolden View Post

    But not all lol.
    over 300 000 sales in the US alone not enough cars for you??
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekthetree View Post
    over 300 000 sales in the US alone not enough cars for you??
    Well you can only use one at a time lol
    "Just a matter of time i suppose"

    "The elevator is broke, So why don't you test it out"

    "I'm not trapped in here with all of you, Your all trapped in here with me"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickHolden View Post
    Not a real sedan.
    Yeah but qualifies as a GT for sure
    and with another rotor on that engine could be a supercar --- hate to imagine the fuel consumption though !!!!

    ( I'm getting 15mpg. Once I stop caning it everywhere hopefully get it up to 20 !!!! )
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickHolden View Post
    Not a real sedan
    Maserati Quattroporte has only 47% of the weight in the front. Beat that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    Maserati Quattroporte has only 47% of the weight in the front. Beat that...
    Not enough praise can be heaped upon the quattroporte. Please continue

    Quote Originally Posted by SlickHolden View Post
    Well you can only use one at a time lol
    that excuse doesn't work for girls and shoes, so it doesn't work for cars and me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by derekthetree View Post
    Not enough praise can be heaped upon the quattroporte. Please continue
    I can only agree with that. But there's no need to post more figures. Just let the styling and the V8 soundtrack do the talking.

    I wonder why anyone would choose german over it...
    Lack of charisma can be fatal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hightower99
    Not to mention the fact that the [V12] crank see a constant torque output as opposed to seeing both a torque output and input.
    Quote Originally Posted by hightower99
    The crank on a flat 6 see both torque input and output.
    If the V12's crank sees no input torque how does it output torque?

    Quote Originally Posted by hightower99
    he flat engine can't be mounted too low or the pistons will be too close to the ground.
    Why will they be too low?

    Does this affect Porsche and Subaru?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer
    I wonder why anyone would choose german over it...
    Perceived quality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyco View Post
    Perceived quality?
    I've been in a Quattroporte and as far as I could tell quality was no worse than say an Audi A6.
    Lack of charisma can be fatal.
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    It's not, but German cars are perceived to be perfectly engineered and reliable, and Italian cars are just looking for a reason to break.

    That this is at odds with current experience is ignored by the general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Yeah but qualifies as a GT for sure
    and with another rotor on that engine could be a supercar --- hate to imagine the fuel consumption though !!!!

    ( I'm getting 15mpg. Once I stop caning it everywhere hopefully get it up to 20 !!!! )
    Is that your wheels in the pic? I do love the RX8 more in the flesh then pic's in black with 20" rims 3" low drooling now
    15mpg you have a heavy foot
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    Maserati Quattroporte has only 47% of the weight in the front. Beat that...
    When i get in it it will have 70% at the front hahahaha
    Quote Originally Posted by derekthetree View Post
    that excuse doesn't work for girls and shoes, so it doesn't work for cars and me...
    Says who? The women buying the shoes or the sugar daddy handing out the money
    "Just a matter of time i suppose"

    "The elevator is broke, So why don't you test it out"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlickHolden View Post
    Is that your wheels in the pic? I do love the RX8 more in the flesh then pic's in black with 20" rims 3" low drooling now
    15mpg you have a heavy foot
    yes and yes
    ProDrive version called the PZ. Limited edition UK car
    Details in other posts and it HAS been egg-nogged !!

    Most of the time the gear-change beep is screaming out when I'm driving around. Already shocked other RX8 owners with the gusty in teh "new car" ... ie 200 miles on the clock and blasting it around the borders including a wee "flight" at a hump

    Now at 800 and it's loosened up nicely and the tyres are well scrubbed.
    Grip in the dry is fantastic, but the tyres are crappy in the wet. Great fun but not so fast. Tyre change coming up I reckon
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