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    Quote Originally Posted by nota
    What was the Yamaha solution?
    Well it was a hydraulic system that runs from the tranny at the back to front, down the centre of the forks and then drives the front wheel IIRC. Not sure what that would do to a Mini

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen
    Well it was a hydraulic system that runs from the tranny at the back to front, down the centre of the forks and then drives the front wheel IIRC.
    Ah thanks for that - you mean hydrostatic drive

    I remembered reading on a webpage about a similar-ish 2WD aussie-designed bike the Drysdale 2x2x2 so named because this one also features two wheel steering! Here it is and its quite an informative website

    Patents
    http://www.werple.net.au/~iwd/2x2x2/patents/index.html

    Drive impressions
    http://www.werple.net.au/~iwd/2x2x2/ride/index.html

    (you might recall its the same bloke who makes that beautiful Drysdale V8 motorcycle, also found through the website along with a 200hp car that weighs 320kg!)

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    Current Mimis are FWD?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalcraft
    Current Mimis are FWD?
    thats a joke right? A shaft will run perpendicularly from the existing transverse differential casing to the rear axle, just like most other systems i imagine...
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    It's not a joke! Why would I pay attention to Minis???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
    Only if it had controllable diffs.
    Remember that an AWD tends to understeer on the rough stuff.
    And with such a short wheelbase it's debatable whether you could successfully flick it on entry for fast exit.
    Think 6R4 with the engine in the wrong place --- unless they are going to do a Clio rip-off hmmmmmmm I like it already
    I'm sure it would be a simple problem to fix, WRC cars can have controlable diffs (but can't be active like in an Evo/Skyline etc) so it could run with a perminantly rear bias. Add to that stripping the car below the minimum weight, which should be that hard in such a small car, and then using ballast to adjust the car's weight distribution.

    The Peugeot 206 was quite small compared to the other WRC cars and that did quite well IIRC, so did the Audi S2 Quattro with its shortened wheel base and that was front engine too wasn't it?
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    the audi S2 was about as front engined as you get
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    Quote Originally Posted by h00t_h00t
    The Peugeot 206 was quite small compared to the other WRC cars and that did quite well IIRC, so did the Audi S2 Quattro with its shortened wheel base and that was front engine too wasn't it?
    Fast but ALWAYS very quick to bite for the simplest slip in concentration by the driver.
    Try and find pics of the GroupB drivers at the end of stages and events.
    They were sweating and VERY fatigued.
    It was 100% the whole way.

    But comparing WRC £200,000++ cars with solutions that could feasibly be provide in a production car isn't really fair

    The short wheelbase allowed drivers to USE the instability to get higher speeds. Kind of like modern fighter planes which are designed to be UNstable in flight and then use computers to keep them in the air. Just that with the cars the only computer was the driver !!!!

    I'm sure they could do a Mini for the soccer moms, but not a real performance 4x4. So why bother ?
    I also dont' see them managing to get a propshaft down the centre and find the space for a diff without seriously compromising the interior -- kind of like the Clio V6 Hence why I thought applying hydraulic drive to each wheel could be accomodated and "interesting"
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    getrag made their first awd system, and in order to test it they installed it in a mk1 new mini. the performance of it was astounding. made the power delivery much better, since the mini will happily go with no traction for its first few gears.

    as the last i have heard, there are no plans on making a super high performance awd mini. they are to put it on the traveler and slightly lifted mini ala outback/allroad/etc. but everyone is hoping for a works gp style with awd and 250-300 hp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nota View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by jediali View Post
    the audi S2 was about as front engined as you get
    I think most Audi's are as front engined as you can get
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Fast but ALWAYS very quick to bite for the simplest slip in concentration by the driver.
    Try and find pics of the GroupB drivers at the end of stages and events.
    They were sweating and VERY fatigued.
    It was 100% the whole way.
    In that case it should be forced into rallying, it might bring back some of the "spark" it used to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by h00t_h00t View Post
    In that case it should be forced into rallying, it might bring back some of the "spark" it used to have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waugh-terfall View Post
    I think most Audi's are as front engined as you can get
    Except for the R8...
    Quote Originally Posted by h00t_h00t View Post
    In that case it should be forced into rallying, it might bring back some of the "spark" it used to have.
    I think the car doesn't comply with the regulations, if I'm not mistaken WRC cars have to be at least 4000mm long in order to be eligible.
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    What about the estate version?
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