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Why would you need an automatic shotgun? The reason for this law is that there is no legitimate legal reason to have an "assault" weapon.Originally Posted by Mr.Tiv
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Ban all weapons completelyClose down all the factories, except one for the police forces. The only one with the right to use violence and firearms should be the government,how incompetent it may be.
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this is the most retarded thing i've heard all day.Ban all weapons completely
and i've been in some skyline vs supra threads.
seriously, do you even have a thought process?
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How much lives would be saved ?
Think about it, when you have guns available to people, it becomes easy to use. In anger one can easily grab their gun instead of using fists/whatever in which case you have a much larger chance to survive
Also not every government does the right things with it, for example the USA and Israel, but it would save quite some home-kills anyway...
How bad one may be(have) EVERYONE has the right of life.
Last edited by drakkie; 02-24-2007 at 10:48 AM.
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I'm all for people having firearms for sport and even self protection, but for either activity, a fully automatic weapon for civilian use is over the top IMO. I can see the need if you're in law enforment or the military because you'll need that kind of firepower in a firefight.
But as civilians, when are we gonna get in a firefight? I can think of only one case, criminals shooting at the police. While it's true that criminals can have them converted to fully auto anyway but why make it easier for them? While it might be fun shooting a fully auto weapon, fun doesn't really justify them being legal for the general public.
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I am curious as to how Israel is mis-using it's military.
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For all the people thinking that full auto is such a bad thing, special liscencing from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms would be require. It's not like it's going to be easy to get and I probably won't even get one. It's pretty rare that a registered automatic weapon is used in a crime-they are usually smuggled into the country and sold illegally-"assault weapons" account for less than 2% of guns seized by the police
This legislation will ban both automatic and semi-automatic shotguns outright. The previous AWB only affected certain semi-automatic weapons. It makes more sense to just make it to just make so that you have to get a special liscence for those weapons as well.
The fact of the matter is that most of the qualifications that determine what is or is not a so-called assault weapon are cosmetic feature, which don't affect lethality. (e.g. pistol grips on shotguns and rifles and guns that are black monotone)
They are trying to make this proposed new awb more stringent than the last, and there is no need for that. The last AWB was very affective in lessening crime, there is no need for a more intrusive one.
If they are going to ban these guns, they, logically, would have to ban knives and blunt objects, which are used to maim or kill much more frequently, first.
Bills like this are about public perception, not facts.
All of the shotguns I am interested in would be banned, regardless of whether they are pump action, semi-automatic, or automatic. I guess I'll have to buy a sports car if this gets passed.
Last edited by Mr.Tiv; 02-24-2007 at 03:47 PM.
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1) you said weapons. you didn't specify knives, firearms, whatever, so since anything down to a ball point pen can be an effective weapon i guess if we stopped all factories producing 'weapons' worldwide industry would effectively grind to a halt.How much lives would be saved ?
Think about it, when you have guns available to people, it becomes easy to use. In anger one can easily grab their gun instead of using fists/whatever in which case you have a much larger chance to survive
Also not every government does the right things with it, for example the USA and Israel, but it would save quite some home-kills anyway...
How bad one may be(have) EVERYONE has the right of life.
2) yes. you know, i grab my guns every chance i get to use in a fight... You say guns become easy to use, whereas i doubt you've ever really handled a gun. This is the problem; Europeans have little use for guns, which is fine. However they then tell eevryone else to stop using them. This is like telling people to stop driving supercars because you can do fine with corolla's.
sure..when it's not your hobby.
3) the vietnamese, the irish, and sudanese all were able to produce home made, single shot firearms to fight their invaders with. it hasn't occurred to you that criminals may continue to do this... hell, the irish made several homemade copies of the sten gun.
3) out o curioisty, how many times have you had a close call in a car or in traffic, and how many times have you had a close call with a gun...
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I think it was Smith, of Smith and Wesson (S&W) that started building his first pistols and rifles out of things he found at home. This is a very good point - home-made things are not as effective, but people will go a hell of a long way when they need something.
Israel is a famous example - Before Israel was a country and after until they started to actually have a well developed military, they improvised to an extent that still outdoes the innovation they show today. They had virtually nothing, and what they got from other countries simply was too little. As an example, they found a Belgian made rocket-launcher tube - it wasn't functional anymore even, but the tube was still rigid. So, they made the world's largest field shotgun out of it
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There are already far too many stupid people in the world. I say give out automatic weapons like candy. Darwin ftw.How much lives would be saved ?
Think about it, when you have guns available to people, it becomes easy to use. In anger one can easily grab their gun instead of using fists/whatever in which case you have a much larger chance to survive
Also not every government does the right things with it, for example the USA and Israel, but it would save quite some home-kills anyway...
How bad one may be(have) EVERYONE has the right of life.
Another thing... no one has the right to life. Tanstaafl. If you want to live you had damn well better earn it.
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Careful now! You could poke someone's eye out with one of those things...yep, since i was 12
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you mean, be careful you almost spilled your beer?
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Let's give every man, woman, and child on the planet a M4 with laser sights and 2 mags duct taped together. Then no one would **** with anyone else. Cause everyone would be packin'.
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Europeans have little use for guns?
Well, yes, apart from all the shooting that goes on, where a gun comes in quite handy.
In rural England on a Sunday you'll be doing well to find somewhere out of earshot of someone shooting at something; usually phesants etc.
There are quite a lot of people that do target shooting too.
Unfortunately, it is also becoming increasingly common for the sound of shots to be heard in city centres, and these usually aren't directed at game birds.
The Swiss are famed for their extraordinarily high rate of gun ownership, and we aren't talking about hunting either - they have the full on assault rifles (just in case anyone tries to test their neutrality.).
Having said that; I still don't see the need for guns as "self protection", or for "defending your home"; especially automatic rifles.
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