The only off putting point is the 30L/100km part. (may be a slight exageration)
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The only off putting point is the 30L/100km part. (may be a slight exageration)
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Well you could also say that i'm not impressed with the Supra's measly 280hp for 3L (with a TURBO), especially when its easier to get 280hp than it is for 600hp.Originally Posted by Blue Supra
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But it was with a 6-litre engine and then a 7-litre.
Lack of charisma can be fatal.
Visca Catalunya!
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Hands up who wants to see this is the front of the next HSV GTS if the weight balance can be kept?
Drifting
The 200 would have been a better place to insult and get him mad.
I'm more impressed that holden will get this type of exspirence , It's got to be only a plus for them to be doing a project like this. Many years ago they had many plans for engines and GM killed them off.
"Just a matter of time i suppose"
"The elevator is broke, So why don't you test it out"
"I'm not trapped in here with all of you, Your all trapped in here with me"
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of course we all know that its not as simple as gluing the engines together, v6's are either 90 deg (30 deg splay angles)or 60 deg (6 individual crankpins, 60 deg apart) and a V12, like an i6 has 6 indivdual crankpins, 3 mirroring pairs at 120 deg apart.
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It's been done before, no reason Holden can't do it.
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
– Hunter Thompson
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Holden has always developed neat stuff, most of the time GM killed them. With Lutz on board it seems that Holdens finally getting recognised and actually made to develop some of their ideas.I'm more impressed that holden will get this type of exspirence , It's got to be only a plus for them to be doing a project like this. Many years ago they had many plans for engines and GM killed them off.
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Do the Japanese even make a V12 engined car in a production supercar or a luxury car?
-Pagani Zonda C12S Monza (supercar)
Engine: Mercedes Benz M120 E73 AMG 60º V 12
Displacement: 7.291 liter
Power: 600 bhp
-Aston Martin V12 Vanquish (semi supercar)
Engine: Aston Martin V12
Displacement: 5.9 L
Power: 460 hp
-Rolls Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe
Engine: 60º BMW V 12
Displacement: 6.75 L
Power: 453hp
-Bentley Arnage T
Engine: 90º V 8
Displacement: 6.7L Twin Turbo
Power: 500hp
-BMW E66 760Li
Engine: 60º V 12
Displacement: 6L
Power: 445 bhp
-Lexus LS 600h L
Engine: Hybrid V 8
Displacement: 5L
Power: 430hp (weak)
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Dude...
seriously. You dont know me. so shut up.
Most cylinders i can recall in a jap car is 10 in a Honda NSX. Lets recap on japanese displacement/power ratios shall we?
Honda NSXR 3L V10 280HP
Mistubishi EVO FQ400 2L FOUR CYLINDER Turbo 400HP
Honda S2000 2L 4cyl 236HP
so by all rights, if a 2L 4cyl is capable then why is an engine with 3 times as many cylinders and over 3 times the displacement not making 3 times the power? (700HP+)
the supra thing, you have nfi man...
The Datto will rage again...
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I still don't trust GM when it comes to keeping holden doing what they have done for years, And i don't trust Mooney, And the thing is my gut feelings aren't wrong very much.
"Just a matter of time i suppose"
"The elevator is broke, So why don't you test it out"
"I'm not trapped in here with all of you, Your all trapped in here with me"
Rookie
Do I need to know you to reply to your comments?
FYI I’m not overly interested by power: displacement ratios. Fact is that the Japanese has trouble producing naturally aspirated powerful cars that can match American and European outputs. Fact is a N/A Japanese (so called) supercars i.e. Skyline, 300zx and Supras are all underpowered.
Your argument of 3x as many cylinders (or displacement) = 3 times the power is a bit lame.
Enthusiast
Yes and produced since 1997
Enthusiast
C'mon now, you know that hp/L is a lame arguement. Plus the Mitzu is turbocharged and we're talking N/A engines. By your logic the Pagani Zonda with the 600hp V-12 is under-achieving. I'm happy to see Holden getting more involved in global GM stuff.
As for the Cadillacs themselves, I liked the design of the Sixteen, so if this stays relatively close to that then it should be a looker as well.
Furniture
Those Jap F1 engines do allright with no forced induction...
The only thing holden hasnt done for GM is build them Transmissions
"Just a matter of time i suppose"
"The elevator is broke, So why don't you test it out"
"I'm not trapped in here with all of you, Your all trapped in here with me"
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NSX has 6 cylinders. You and your source lose, good day sir.
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