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Pleasing the people by lying, cheating and doing illegal things. Basically like any other government
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Don't confuse yourself with a government.Pleasing the people by lying, cheating and doing illegal things. Basically like any other government
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This could be the front runner for a global change. If Norway goes through with this, and say that it actually is very successful, how long until the oil dependent nations catch on and do the same? Eventually we all will have to change, Norway is just getting the jump on the rest of us.
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With the increasing production of alcohol based fuels, i dont think this is a big issue. Alot of things like this come down to the government supporting the infrastructure.
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Alcohol based fuels have other, very dire environmental consequences. Switching fuels is not the answer, its reduction in usage that will yield far better results.
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When I read things like this I get really ticked off because this is another case of people trying to use mythology to solve our climate woes instead of facts. That's why I said its like praying to Odin to cure the sick instead of going to a hospital.
As far as airplanes go, they use a tremendous amount of fossil fuel. One of the British car mags (I can't remember if it was evo, CAR or Top Gear) published a study that found on your typical flight from London to Edinburgh, if every individual who was flying alone and every family travel together, drove in their own personal cars, big sedans for the people in first class and compacts for the people in coach, they would create less pollution than the flight they were on.
The fact is that we are in an environmental crisis and until the nations of the world stop burning fossil fuels for energy, it will get worse, and banning automobiles that use fossil fuels isn't really going to change that either way.
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Well this is the thing, are they trying to get to where theyre at zero emissions, or simply to move on from a reliance on fossil fuels. There isnt anything receiving enough development to get the world on zero emissions within the next 20 years at least. Until then there'll be things synthesised alcohol based fuels, fuel cell/electric engines and hydrogen IC engines.
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change will eventually come but the government shouldn't be able to ban the selling of a freaking car. that is rediculous i have no idea how anyone could live in a place like that. it shouldn't be some politician trying to "save the world" banning cars.
the market will eventually go that way, its not the government's job. The market has spoken quite loudly about hybrid cars, and now everyone has a hybrid in one form or another. The market is also starting to trend toward alternative fuels like e-85 and more and more automakers are making cars that run off it. Thats how you get real, usefull, realistic change...its called capitalism and it has been shaping the world for the last couple hundred years and it will continue to.
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Anyone know the leading cause of green house gasses? PEOPLE.
The true answer to global warming is contraception. Seriously. It sounds odd but it's true.Cars are only the 6th highest contributor to green house gasses. Wear a condom, save the planet.
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I don't believe any country will actually ban petroleum powered cars. It's all talk.
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Unless the Norwegians plan to walk everywhere, this plan is all talk.
I'm dropping out to create a company that starts with motorcycles, then cars, and forty years later signs a legendary Brazilian driver who has a public and expensive feud with his French teammate.
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This would be too harsh and demagogic considering that the automobile accounts for less than a quarter of the emissions and brings many other advantages in terms of personal freedom and economy too.
The car seems to be the favorite scape goat these days, I agree with encouraging more fuel efficient cars through taxes but this is going too far too soon...
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and sadly been held back by capitalism too.
Believeing "freedom" of money is freedom of "capital" is the biggest distortion of monetary systems by those who only desire strenght and power through wealth for themselves
"some" free states have been running vehicles that pollute less than the trendy onse of today for decades !!
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Matra, that is a very good point. People love to buy trendy modern vehicles such as big SUVs (Porsche Cayenne, BMW X5) which produce a lot of pollution while some people in other countries run cars which pollute much less than the big SUVs etc. we see every day.
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I dont think that this ban is likely to be implemented. cars are not just a good, theyre part of an economy. if the ban petroleum cars then this will definitely create unemployment in their automobile industry and create a lot of other problems.
this is just my opinion.
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Yeah, that and the fact that they're mostly powered by incredibly dirty coal burning power plants... Pay attention.
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This isn’t the frontrunner for global change because it isn’t going to make even the slightest dent. The world isn’t going to see a real drop in CO2 emissions without overhauling the power generating industries of the US, Russia, and China.
Depending on how you grow the plant matter to make alcohol based fuels, you can end up emitting more carbon into the atmosphere than with gasoline because farmers use Fossil-Fuel fertilizers to grow the grain used. But it’s Ok, because a few Solar, Geothermal, and Wind based power facilities will do a lot more…
[QUOTE=roosterjuicer;759893]change will eventually come but the government shouldn't be able to ban the selling of a freaking car. that is rediculous i have no idea how anyone could live in a place like that. it shouldn't be some politician trying to "save the world" banning cars.QUOTE]
The US already bans the import of thousands of vehicles on emissions grounds every year…
That’s a ridiculous perversion of statistics. Humans are natural emitters of CO2 it’s true, but we’ve more than compensated for the emissions of an increased population by killing off those pesky herds of Bison.
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