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    On July, 12 the 6th Volhonka verst race organized by SPAK finally took place after three years of silence. The cars were divided into four categories, and besides them there were two categories of motorcycles.

    Results (flying start):
    Motorcycles:
    Patarkin (Tatarkin?) - Mars 5hp 49,0s – 1 category
    Freeman - FN 2,75hp 1m22,8s – 2 category

    Cars:
    Francois Donnier (F) – Mercedes 40hp 43,8s – 1 category
    Andrei Nagel (R) – Brasier 30hp 1m1,8s – 2 category
    Albert Efron (R) – Werner 20hp 58s – 3 category
    Alfonse Deringer (R) – Renault 10hp 1m26,8s – 4 category

    After all, 1908 saw the next, IV Beljaeff Cup, this time won by Fedor Tansky on Bianchi – 39 versts for 37m47,2s.

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    Hi everyone,

    Have a look HERE

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Hi everyone,

    Have a look HERE
    I took some of 1908 St.-Petersberg-Moscow info from there

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    Quote Originally Posted by dilettante View Post
    Hi everyone,

    Have a look HERE
    Many names wroten NO CORRECT!!!


    Bruno Farih Georges Richard 10 hp crash
    ???
    This man was Bruno Fahrig!!!

    Second picture: Bruno Fahrig with hes son Bruno and wife Jeanette. Car: Brasier
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    Quote Originally Posted by faksta View Post
    [B]Albert Efron (R) Werner 20hp 58s 3 category
    this time won by Fedor Tansky on Bianchi 39 versts for 37m47,2s.
    Albert Effron must be wroten, also Theodor Tanski. Tanski was a polish man, living in St. Petersburg, boss of Trade House "Pobeda", dead 1912.
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    Demetrius Schlicht sur Loreley.
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    Russian speed-record liste (original from my collection):
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    7th Volhonka verst runs.

    On May, 24 1909 7th Volhonka verst runs took place. Count Alexander Mordvinoff has beaten Russian speed record during them, showing 29,2 seconds (flying start) at 131,5 kph on his 120hp Opel.

    Pictures:
    1. Motorcyclists get ready for the runs. #4 Andrei Nagel. Source raf.su.
    2. Start of a car. Source raf.su.
    3. Samuel Suurmets on Opel.

    Record runs near Moscow.

    Took place on June, 14. Almost nothing is known for me, except for a tragedy, which occurred during a competition. Alexander Vetchinine, who has planned to enter a first-ever endurance race in Russia later that year, arrived to compete on his favorite Brasier car, but going about 130 versts per hour didnt notice a smooth turn and hit the stone bridge. The car tumbled down in two parts and felt off the bridge to a river. Count Vetchinine has died. Before the start, he joked that his car was great, because if he crashed on it, he would die immediately and wouldnt suffer
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    St.-Petersberg – Riga – St.-Petersberg.

    After successful races in 1907 and 1908 the interest in racing has escalated in Russia again. In 1908 Andrei Nagel decided to organize an endurance race, as that same year he has completed a 10,000-kilometer trip through Europe with Albert Effron and Vladimir Lebedev* and remained very satisfied with it. That time some people were waiting for some ‘democratic’ forms of motor racing. Such thing that could show the possibilities of production cars, not the ones built with the only purpose – to race. Having though all the things over, Nagel together with Wadim Michailoff and Eugen Kouzmine began to plan the race. They’ve combined the two tendencies and for a first Russian endurance race happened in 1909 only production cars were allowed to enter.
    This time, instead of a typical run between two capitals, St.-Petersberg and Moscow, the distance was built from St.-Petersberg to Riga, and equaled 1000 versts (1177 kilometers). All the entrants were divided into 5 categories depending on cylinder diameter in millimeters. For each category an average speed and timetable were counted, and each minute over this timetable was rewarded with one penalty point. In case that delay was more than 30 minutes – 3 points per minute, and 10 points per minute if the car was late for more than hour. Also each minute when the car or the engine were stopped gained a point. The exception was made for tires change. Also it was possible to fix the cars during a competition only, as between the stages a parc-ferme scheme was imposed.

    Starting list:

    #1. Samuel Suurmets (TD ‘Pobeda’) – Opel – Cat.1
    #2. Ivan Puzyrev – Durkopp – Cat.1
    #3. G.Luken – Rochet-Schneider – Cat.1
    #4. N.Weiner – Pipe – Cat.1

    #5. Military office driver – Benz – Cat.2
    #6. P.Poliakoff – Berliet – Cat.2
    #7. V. von Wolf – Mercedes – Cat.2

    #8. Francois Donnier (TRARM) – Mercedes – Cat.3
    #9. Julien Potterat (RBVZ) – Russo-Baltique – Cat.3
    #10. Dubrovich – RAF – Cat.3
    #11. Wilhelm – Adler – Cat.3
    #12. V.Schwartz – Lessner – Cat.3
    #13. Fritz Erle (Benz) – Benz – Cat.3

    #14. Schneideroff (Ford) – Ford – Cat.4
    #15. Alexander Mordvinoff – Pipe – Cat.4
    #16. Basil Vsevolozhskiy – Pipe – Cat.4

    #17. Alexander Fokin – FIAT – Cat.5
    #18. Kirschten – Humber – Cat.5
    #19. Heiblich – Gaggenau – Cat.5
    #20. Alfonse Deringer – Humber – Cat.5
    #21. Valenskiy – Gaggenau – Cat.5
    #22. Finke (Leutner) – Adler – Cat.5
    #23. N.Oppel – Humber – Cat.5

    The start was set on August, 14 near Alexandrovskaya railway station in St.-Petersberg, where the very first race in 1898 started. All the route was divided into 4 stages – St.-Petersberg - Pskov, Pskov – Riga, and back - Riga – Pskov and Pskov – St.-Petersberg. The first stage was completed by everyone, except Schwartz and Puzyrev – their Lessner and Durkopp were broken, so they had to turn back to St.-Petersberg. Soon after the second stage has started Fokin retired from the race with a broken leaf spring. Suurmets came first to Riga, Donnier was second.
    On August, 16 a 3-hour exhibition of participating cars was appointed in Riga, after which all the drivers on their cars drove to Rodenpois station for verst runs. There Fritz Erle has set a new Russian speed record driving his 150hp Benz – 1 verst at 25 seconds with a speed of 153,6 kph (World speed record was 205,38 kph then), but did it after the official runs, which, though he won also with 31 seconds (123,9 kph).
    In the morning of August, 17 drivers have started back to St.-Petersberg, though some of them decided to drive one way only, as was permitted by the rules. Thus, von Wolf, Kirschten and Oppel intended to drive to Riga from the beginning of the race, and Weiner refused to drive back after he had to dela with tires 11 times from Pskov to Riga. This time less powerful cars started first to achieve a solid finish. The first to finish was Donnier in 14h 06m. Winners in categories were Suurmets (Cat.1), military office driver (Cat.2), Wilhelm (Cat.3), Mordvinoff (Cat.4) and Finke (Cat.5).
    After finish 15 cars that completed the whole distance were exhibited again, this time in St.-Petersberg.

    *Following that tendency of how Russian drivers wrote their names, maybe Lebedeff?

    Pictures:

    1-3. Samuel Suurmets on Opel.
    4. Fritz Erle on Benz 150hp during verst races in Riga.
    5. Gonna be Russo-Baltique C24/30 as driven by Julien Potterat. Maybe not (see posts further!!)
    Last edited by faksta; 11-21-2008 at 11:22 AM. Reason: changed Mercedes-Lessner to Lessner

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    Lessner

    Lessner factory has appeared in St.-Petersberg in 1853 and produced different steam equipment, but in 1901 this business became profitless. So, in 1901 Lessner has bought a license from Daimler to produce their automotive engines and cars - not Mercedes, but the ones developed by Russian engineer at Daimler factory – Boris Lutzkiy. First cars were assembled in 1905 – first of those 14 post cars was made on March, 26. At 1907 St.-Petersberg auto show Lessner has received a special prize for starting an automotive production in Russia on industrial basis. Until 1909, which has become the last year for Lessner, a few hundred cars were made. One of the interesting products was a 1909 all-wheel drive and 4WS car with a differential between axes and a 320mm clearance. But it has just remained a prototype…

    Russo-Baltique C24/30

    In 1869 Belgian company called Van Der Zypen and Charlier established a manufacture in Riga to produce railroad carriages. Beside them RBVZ has made agricultural machines, oil and kerosene engines and planes. In 1908 an automotive department was settled under the management of I.Friazinskiy. In the same year Belgian engineer Julien Potterat was invited as a chief constructor, who has previously worked at Fondu factory in Belgium. That’s why the first Russo-Baltiques looked so much like Fondu cars.
    On May, 26, 1909 the first car has left the factory – Russo-Baltique C24/30 with a two-seater sport body. That car was the one which has participated in 1909 St.-Petersberg – Riga race driven by a constructor, Potterat, himself. Later some prototype bodies were applied to chassis #1.


    Pictures:

    1. Lessner at the start of a 1909 St.-Petersberg - Riga run.
    2-3. Russo-Baltique C24/30 chassis. Source - denisovets.narod.ru.
    4. Russo-Baltique C24/30 - the very first RBVZ car as it came off the factory. Source - denisovets.narod.ru.
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    The race for IRAO prize (‘La Coupe du Tsar’, 'Kaiser Nicolaus Turenfahrt').

    On December 19, 1909 Russian Automotive Society (RAO) has officially received a highest approval and was renamed to Emperor’s Russian Automotive Society (IRAO). That fact has changed many things, but first of all, the organization of automotive events now became much more simple, as IRAO has received some power levers. This can be easily noticed while speaking about the biggest race of 1910 in Russia – the 3200 kilometer run from Saint-Petersberg and back through Kiev and Moscow. Beside from IRAO, three ministries were involved in preparations. Many roads and bridges were fixed, free meals and beds were provided for participants, even military orchestras were mobilized to play on parkings. IRAO member L.Nobel has even provided a free oil and fuel of his own ‘Nobel’ company for every entrant.
    Among 46 equipages in general, 24 were foreign ones or consisted of foreigners living in Russia. Two categories were announced, depending on engine displacement. The route was following: St.-Petersberg – Pskov – Vitebsk – Gomel – Kiev – Gomel – Roslavl – Moscow – Vyshnyi Volochek – St.-Petersberg, and was hit through June 16-30. Also two special stages were arranged – in Moscow and Kiev. The two stages were the only places where drivers could exceed a set maximum speed of 70 kph.
    This first rally for an Emperor’s prize was leaded by foreign drivers, mostly factory ones. Thus, the first prize was won by a Mercedes driver Willi Poege. That car was specially built for a rally for Prince Heinrich of Prussia prize and had a 4514cc engine with an output of 120hp. Together with a special body weighing 978kg it allowed the car to reach 120kph. Of course, two production Russo-Baltique C24/30 cars (4501cc, 30hp) couldn’t compete with it in speed. One of them, driven by N.Galle, did not finish the race, while another C24/30, with Andrei Nagel at the wheel, has completed the whole run without penalty points and received IRAO prize. Also one woman took a part in a competition – Sofia Dolgorukaya, who drove her own Delaunay Belleville 18CV. The car has ended up with a hole in a radiator near Vyshnyi Volochek, when one of the participants casually hit Sofia’s car on a parking. Among the retired were also Albert Effron with a broken leaf spring on his Fiat and the founder of Lagonda factory, Wilbur Gunn with B.Hammond on a 12/18 model, who hit a tree.

    Pictures:

    1. Main trophy of the race - Emperor's prize.
    2. Participants of 1910 race for IRAO prize.
    3-4. Willi Poege on his Mercedes.
    5-6. Russo-Baltique C24/30 with N.Galle at the wheel.
    Last edited by faksta; 09-07-2009 at 05:26 AM.

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    1-2. Sofia Dolgorukaya and her Delaunay Belleville 18CV.
    3. One of the participants.

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    Correctur:
    Starting list (SPb-Riga-SPb 1909):


    Samuel Surmetz (with 1 "u", not modern estonian!)
    Ivan Pousireff his car no Durkopp = Drkopp or Duerkopp must be wroten!
    Dubrowitcz
    Basil Wsewoloschsky - hes car is belgian Pipe (no Pip!)
    Fokine
    Walensky
    N. Opel (not brother from Adam Opel)

    It is not foul liste, vergottem Eugen Feitelberg and others driver.
    The pictures are also not correct:
    "Maybe not" - Alexander Mordwinoff sur Pipe.
    "Seems like Schneideroff and his Ford" - not! This photo is from USA!

    Here is my last report:
    Last edited by IRAO; 11-16-2008 at 06:00 AM.

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    SPb - Riga - SPb 1909 Walensky. Wsewoloschsky

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    Fokine, Wsewoloschsky, Walensky, Weiner, wilhelm, Benz of military office

    FACSTA, for change of pictures, my email: kitiletz%t-online.de

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