Increased violence in Israel, and to likely increase

[CdocZ]

at the moment there is reletive quietness, even though there was a suicide bombing last night at a holy place in the holy city no move has been taken so far.

the only move for the moment is a closure on the borders.

which is another sad thing, we cannot close them because then people wont get necessities such as gas, food, water and medicine but then again as soon as they are open some militant group takes advantage of that and starts smugling firearms and what not and even if not then Hamas seizes the goods and sells them to the highest bidders.

its a lose lose situatuion both for Israel and for Gaza and the West Bank.

There were no bombs set off - the terrorist(s) did have explosive belts, but "only" guns went off.

Where in Israel are you, by the way?

[Gt1Street]

There were no bombs set off - the terrorist(s) did have explosive belts, but "only" guns went off.

Where in Israel are you, by the way?

right, sorry for missinformation...

Well, I live in Lod (near Ben Gurion airport) and work in Ramat Gan.
But then again I go about all over the country (its easy when its as small as ours)

How long are you here for ?

[CdocZ]

I am here until the end of Purim, then back to the states I go. I'm in Jerusalem for the time being, but I'll be a bit South of Tel Aviv as of tonight for 2 days.

[Gt1Street]

do you have access to your msn messanger account ?

[CdocZ]

Unfortunately, no. I forgot the password, and I could not bring my own computer here. Pathetic, I know

[Gt1Street]

well, then its PM's I guess

[jediali]

the real sadness is that they are worshiping the same myth.

I never asked, why are you so sure that "no God exists"? I am certainly not religous but even as a scientific type of guy am not set against the existance of a God as you seem to be.

edit: My heart goes out to those involved with this violence, news thus far is of no slowdown or peace talks.

[Kitdy]

I never asked, why are you so sure that "no God exists"? I am certainly not religous but even as a scientific type of guy am not set against the existance of a God as you seem to be.

There is no proof that can conclusively prove god exists or does not exist.

Agnosticism is the rational solution.

[henk4]

I never asked, why are you so sure that "no God exists"? I am certainly not religous but even as a scientific type of guy am not set against the existance of a God as you seem to be.

I am not sure that no "whatever" exists. Nobody can be sure, which gives nobody a reason to tell me what I should believe or not.

[Wouter Melissen]

Why do you feel more attention is not payed to moderate muslims? we see all the time extremists calling for violence, but the yearly fatwas denouncing terrorism? You might see them for a moment and then they're forgotten.

This is a common misconception. Why should perfectly decent people speak up because a group of people who are completely unrelated to them do something despicable? It's like asking everybody from my area to defend the people from this area after Drakkie does something ridiculous again. There are two groups of people at fault here and the moderate Muslims are certainly not among them. At fault are the people that abuse religion to serve their own personal agenda and those that confuse said religion with said agenda.

[jediali]

which gives nobody a reason to tell me what I should believe or not.

I think i get you but Whos telling you what to believe?

There are two groups of people at fault here and the moderate Muslims are certainly not among them. At fault are the people that abuse religion to serve their own personal agenda and those that confuse said religion with said agenda.

Well phrased. Im not quite sure what to conclude but I am quite sure human corruption has a large part to play, in whatever capacity.

[Wouter Melissen]

Well phrased. Im not quite sure what to conclude but I am quite sure human corruption has a large part to play, in whatever capacity.

Power corrupts.

[henk4]

I think i get you but Whos telling you what to believe?

I think history has provided us with numerous examples of people who were trying to convince others that their belief is the only one that is the truth, and that in many cases those same people have forced their beliefs upon others. (I am sure you remember for instance the Spanish Inquisition).

[Wouter Melissen]

I think i get you but Whos telling you what to believe?

Currently it is not so much people telling me what to believe, but what to do. Actually what not to do. There are many countries where religious believes prevent people from making decisions for themselves. Abortion or homosexuality are subjects that come to mind ...

[dydzi]

the real sadness is that they are worshiping the same myth.

different people live for different values. what can be a truth value if not religious believes