What's the deal with them going towards a V6?
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The I6 prevents them from doing LHD exports, which it needs if its to have any future. A different I6 might leave enough room for the LHD assembly, but the only other I6 i believe Ford has is the Volvo 3.2L. Theyve got a 3L boosted version, but the Duratec is a more suitable engine considering its now available in 3.5-3.7L displacement.
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That's really too bad. Is Ford planning on exporting the Falcon to the U.S.?
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Unlikely. The way both our economies are at the moment, theres no money to be made. The only reason Holden are persisting with US exports is to keep high production numbers. The US will likely build their own, or may not even see Falcon especially if Crown Victoria gets updated onto GWRD.
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Why does it matter that the Falcon be LHD? For mainland Europe?
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saw the I6T in a mustang yesterday...was pretty sweet.
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So much for the V8 being hated, I read somewhere that 70% FPV's sold are V8's.
I also seen a couple of FG's on the back of a truck today, Both blue and one had the track strips. I'm sure it was a FPV.
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I think its something hanging off the engine thats directly in the way of where a LHD assembly would go. Maybe with more support they'd fit the engine at an angle like BMW, but the I6 also means the front overhang and dash height are compromised so i guess its the easy way out regardless the reasons for dropping it. If they wanted to keep it, they'd be looking at an alloy block at the minimum, and would probably seriously consider reprofiling the bore/stroke.
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Sorry but I think you're wrong. Maybe you've been 'misguided' by the wafflings of some random internet idiot and have mistakenly repeated it as fact?
Think of it this way;
when viewed front-on the Falcon I-6 has one DOHC cyl head and a bank-angle of 0 degrees
the V6 has two DOHC heads side-to-side separated by a 60 degree block
If existing Falcons can not just accomodate Ford-NA's massive 5.4 SOHC V8 lump (something the larger Ford Crown-Victoria cannot fit) and even manages to swallow the wider-still DOHC Boss variant, then what aspect of the much narrower I-6 prevents Falcon from being converted to L/H/D?
Pic #1
Can you identify what & where that "something hanging off the engine" is that is directly in the way of an L/H/D conversion?
Pic #2
Falcon I-6 turbo appears to have more bulk on R/H/S than left, although this has not inhibited existing R/H/D setup!
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New V6
What "LHD assembly" do you mean? Falcon engine bay has sufficient room for a brake booster on the L/H/S. Space-saving R&P seering since the old EA model-series means no intrusive column-mounted steering box since 1988
Falcon was originallly a L/H/D design, after all. And you must have seen those really old Falcons and Mustangs - eg 1960s models with the narrower engine bay And the original-type steering box And those bulky shock-towers - which still manage to fit the huge 460 BB or factory-fit 428s
Unlike angled 'slant' BMW I-6 or V-engines, the Falcon I-6 unit is a vertical inline engine which afaik is the narrowest configuration possibleMaybe with more support they'd fit the engine at an angle like BMW,
In respect of "compromised" front overhang, I guess you're referring to Holden VE aping BMW proportioning (minimal front overhang) which has plusses & negatives but is hardly a "compromise"but the I6 also means the front overhang and dash height are compromised
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In any case, why would the I-6 prevent Ford designers from pushing the front axle-line forward? Not much that I can see..
As for the I-6 delivering a "compromised" dash height, didn't the V8 Falcons require a special raised bonnet (to accomodate the taller engine) but not the I-6?
By the look of it (through pictures admittedly) if anything the I-6 Ford FG seems to feature a deeper windscreen than the V-engined Commodores has .. and the car also delivers more front passenger room .. and (unlike Commodore) can accomodate 3 front passengers. So where is the compromise?
What is intrinsically wrong with Falcon bore/stroke? It provides that unique low-down Falcon 'grunt' these 6cyls are famous for.so i guess its the easy way out regardless the reasons for dropping it. If they wanted to keep it, they'd be looking at an alloy block at the minimum, and would probably seriously consider reprofiling the bore/stroke.
The 'easy-going' aussie I-6 gives its max torque from a very low & accessible 2,500 rpm (under 2,000 rpm in the turbo!) compared to the new yank V6 replacement which develops considerably less max torque, and at a tall 4,500 rpm
Here's what the new CEO of Ford-Australia said about the torque delivery of the two motors - and he should know because in his previous job he was the V6 Design Supervisor!
In other words: the peakier new V6 requires much higher revs to produce considerably less torque than the 'old' I-6Ford says new V6 will better Aussie six for fuel consumption, but not torque
By MARTON PETTENDY
17 March 2008
FORD Australia says the “world-class” imported Duratec V6 that will replace its Geelong-built inline six after 50 years of Falcon service in 2010 will bring big advances in fuel efficiency – but don’t expect it to match the humble Aussie six for driveability.
Asked how the new engine will compare to the new FG Falcon’s upgraded 4.0-litre six, Ford’s new local chief - who started his career with Ford as the design supervisor for the Duratec V6 and launched the engine in Canada’s Edge model during his last posting as Ford of Canada boss - said some current Falcon six drivers may be disappointed by its bottom-end torque delivery, but not its fuel consumption.
“Now, how does it [V6] compare to the I6? Well from an architecture standpoint you can never duplicate the low-end torque of the I6 with the high-tech V6, which is what we have."
“So some customers who are more accustomed to low-end torque may not be as happy with the Duratec 35, but what I can tell you for sure is that they’ll be delighted with the fuel economy of the Duractec 35."
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Falcon turbo torque 'curve'
Last edited by nota; 05-21-2008 at 08:21 PM.
Must be the us bean counters saying no then?
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